This game actually sucks

[Aeilawen]

I want to complete it so that I can say I've beaten the trilogy but oh my God this game is so bad.

It's not challenging, just blatantly unfair. The map makes no sense, the areas are ugly, enemy designs are goofy af and enemy placements make no sense/are absurd. Combat feels really clunky and some hitboxes/grabs have made me want to throw my controller at the wall... how do people like this game?

I just needed to rant before losing my mind to this stain on FROM's legacy.

[Lord Bob]

Regarding the hitbox issue:
Did you level adaptability until your agility reaches 116?
If not you are suffering from a lack of iframes, meaning you will be grabbed where it looked like you shouldn't have been.

https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Adaptability
https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/agility

[NightmareGats]

Yeah, everyone knows that.

[Aeilawen]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Regarding the hitbox issue:
Did you level adaptability until your agility reaches 116?
If not you are suffering from a lack of iframes, meaning you will be grabbed where it looked like you shouldn't have been.

https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Adaptability
https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/agility

That's blatantly bad design. I'm at 20 ADP and that's only 96 agility, how many levels do I have to grind to make the game bearable?

[Aeilawen]

Originally posted by NightmareGats:

Yeah, everyone knows that.

I'm late to the party I know. Just really didn't expect the game to be this ♥♥♥♥. Actually baffling they released it.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

That's blatantly bad design. I'm at 20 ADP and that's only 96 agility, how many levels do I have to grind to make the game bearable?

4 ADP more is 99 AGL which is like fast-rolling in other soulsgames. But i doubt, that this will make the game any more fun for you.

You gotta ask yourself, if you even liked soulsgames in the first place. Most of your points, that don't also apply to all soulsgames, like awful grab hitboxes, are just personal taste, in which case fair enough as long as you don't pretend them to be objectively bad things. Like goofy enemies, which is not only a subjective thing but also can be found in other soulsgames.

[Aeilawen]

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

That's blatantly bad design. I'm at 20 ADP and that's only 96 agility, how many levels do I have to grind to make the game bearable?

4 ADP more is 99 AGL which is like fast-rolling in other soulsgames. But i doubt, that this will make the game any more fun for you.

You gotta ask yourself, if you even liked soulsgames in the first place. Most of your points, that don't also apply to all soulsgames, like awful grab hitboxes, are just personal taste, in which case fair enough as long as you don't pretend them to be objectively bad things. Like goofy enemies, which is not only a subjective thing but also can be found in other soulsgames.

Damn 24 ADP in order to make the game functional. I'm starting to doubt it'll make the experience anymore fun too, this game is really bad.

So you're assuming because I'm not enjoying this game, I must not enjoy the others... I see your point, I have my grievances with the others, but this game just takes the bad and makes it the focal point.

[NeutronVortex]

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

Originally posted by NightmareGats:

Yeah, everyone knows that.

I'm late to the party I know. Just really didn't expect the game to be this ♥♥♥♥. Actually baffling they released it.

Nah, that's just hive-mind speak. Not everyone thinks it's a bad game, it's just popular to say so.

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

Damn 24 ADP in order to make the game functional....

Atunnement adds to agility as well.

[Aeilawen]

Originally posted by NeutronVortex:

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

I'm late to the party I know. Just really didn't expect the game to be this ♥♥♥♥. Actually baffling they released it.

Nah, that's just hive-mind speak. Not everyone thinks it's a bad game, it's just popular to say so.

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

Damn 24 ADP in order to make the game functional....

Atunnement adds to agility as well.

Surprised you didn't call me an NPC

[NeutronVortex]

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

Surprised you didn't call me an NPC

What?

Edit: Ah, ok ok. You took my comment as an insult, lol. Whatever, you do you!

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Aeilawen:

I want to complete it so that I can say I've beaten the trilogy but oh my God this game is so bad.

It's not challenging, just blatantly unfair. The map makes no sense, the areas are ugly, enemy designs are goofy af and enemy placements make no sense/are absurd. Combat feels really clunky and some hitboxes/grabs have made me want to throw my controller at the wall... how do people like this game?

I just needed to rant before losing my mind to this stain on FROM's legacy.

tl;dr: play it until it clicks for you or don't, I'm not your dad lol.

To be honest I kind of get where you are coming from Op.

I started with Ds3 and my little brother eventually tried to convince me to get into Dark Souls 2 because he enjoyed it so much.
So I bought it and I immediately hated it.
Everything from movement to combat felt wonky, I died way faster and on top of that dying even shortens your healthbar bit by bit. It just didn't feel right to me.

At some point I reached Bellfry Sol, which unbeknownst to me at that point, is part of a pvp covenant and I absolutely hated invasions in Ds3.
So after progressing for a bit I get invaded and surprisingly I beat the invader. Must have been an npc I thought to myself. Then another one invades and again the other dude dies. And another one and another one.
This was the moment when the game just clicked for me. I started messing around with different builds, I got into pvp and started invading nonstop, and I just started to enjoy the hell out of the game.

It's the first game out of the series that I actually enjoyed and it's the best game in the series, at least in my opinion.
Build variety is huge and goofy as almost everything is viable, the gestures are hilarious, pvp is the best out of the entire soulsborne series, ng+ content is the best it has ever been (and for whatever reason was completely botched in Elden Ring, partially already in Ds3).

[Aryend]

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

You gotta ask yourself, if you even liked soulsgames in the first place. Most of your points, that don't also apply to all soulsgames, like awful grab hitboxes, are just personal taste, in which case fair enough as long as you don't pretend them to be objectively bad things.

Did I misunderstand you or did you really say bad hitboxes are a matter of personal taste? O_o

[Edgarek]

Talking about "goofy" aspect of the dark souls series as bad one is a wrong take.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Aryend:

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

You gotta ask yourself, if you even liked soulsgames in the first place. Most of your points, that don't also apply to all soulsgames, like awful grab hitboxes, are just personal taste, in which case fair enough as long as you don't pretend them to be objectively bad things.

Did I misunderstand you or did you really say bad hitboxes are a matter of personal taste? O_o

I might have worded it poorly. Don't worry, it's not what i've meant. The grab hitboxes are definitely a bad thing.

[Aryend]

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by Aryend:

Did I misunderstand you or did you really say bad hitboxes are a matter of personal taste? O_o

I might have worded it poorly. Don't worry, it's not what i've meant. The grab hitboxes are definitely a bad thing.

ok, my bad, was about to have a stroke haha.
I quite like Dark Souls 2 tbh, but the hitboxes are definetly the worst out of the modern Fromsoft games. *Smelter Demon PTSD kicks in*

[Chinese Blin]

This is your average "DS2 bad" denier comment saying that hitboxes aren't bad for the most part, grab hitboxes have ALWAYS been awful in the souls series, will not argue against thrust hitboxes either in DS2 because a good chunk of them lingering for like 3 billion years longer than the animation is a sadly a thing, for the rest of the hitboxes that's just questionable-at-best game design meeting god-tier hitbox dev'ing, if you play slowmo in most instances of "dude IF-wording rolled through that REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!" you will notice that a lot of them have something in common, that being your toes, fingertips, maybe your shoulder getting graced at the very end of your IFrames... which I personally don't hold against the devs...

Fromsoft is not a good company, you know, just like most Japanese development studios they abuse the F out of their employes, in the case of DS2 if i'm allowed to exagerate a bit on this it was a case of corporate telling employes that they have 3 minutes to complete a 3 year-long project, pay for it at their own expense or get fired and shunned entirely out of the industry and corporate making sure that not even Mc'D's will hire you right after.