Snow in egypt?

[Gretschory]

Seriously I am not the guy with the complete "Stay true to history"- thing.... but I just had to laugh my a... of after gettung the sequence with the pyramids covered in snow....I am an egyptologist and as I said I really do not care for complete historical accuracy... but snow in Cairo or Gizeh at this date? Which wise guy of you thought "Oh I like Game of Thrones" make it a Total War: Winter is coming but in our world?

Besides the still confusingly stupid AI on the Campaign map THIS has to be the single worst idea you ever had.

[Gretschory]

Originally posted by Pumis:

http://www.celebrifacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/snow-on-desert-dunes.jpg
Search like a hound and first google search was this. Please stop lying already.

http://miriadna.com/desctopwalls/images/max/Desert-in-snow.jpg

More of them

http://www.johnshawphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/130221_D8H_34663.jpg

More

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2421.html

I assume nasa is trusted source for you?

Now I don't believe at all that you have been searching like a hound.

edit: Now if you start whining that those aren't egypt, then enjoy this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/13/snow-egypt-middle-east_n_4438571.html

You completely misunderstood me in the desperate attempt to make me look silly. Congratulations on making yourself look very very intelligent.

I meant sources for earlier times and since I do not believe photography was invented in the early 5th century I do not count these as sources.
I already told you I know there can be snow but does even that look to you like the blizzard that seems to be ravaging egypt from north to south in that sequence.

for the clouds: if there are none the desert can cool out way more quickly. This even happens in europe. On a cloudy night where the sun heated up the surroundings during teh day it is way warmer than if the clouds aren't there.
Now for an antique source por favor.

Edit: The last one shows me an image of the taklimakan desert. Maybe a misdirect?
Edit 2: nevermind. Now it worked. Steam browser hickup. Yeah again .... today... climate change since industrial revolution etc pp.

[Pumis]

Originally posted by Gretschory:

Originally posted by Pumis:

http://www.celebrifacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/snow-on-desert-dunes.jpg
Search like a hound and first google search was this. Please stop lying already.

http://miriadna.com/desctopwalls/images/max/Desert-in-snow.jpg

More of them

http://www.johnshawphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/130221_D8H_34663.jpg

More

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2421.html

I assume nasa is trusted source for you?

Now I don't believe at all that you have been searching like a hound.

edit: Now if you start whining that those aren't egypt, then enjoy this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/13/snow-egypt-middle-east_n_4438571.html

You completely misunderstood me in the desperate attempt to make me look silly. Congratulations on making yourself look very very intelligent.

I meant sources for earlier times and since I do not believe photography was invented in the early 5th century I do not count these as sources.
I already told you I know there can be snow but does even that look to you like the blizzard that seems to be ravaging egypt from north to south in that sequence.

for the clouds: if there are none the desert can cool out way more quickly. This even happens in europe. On a cloudy night where the sun heated up the surroundings during teh day it is way warmer than if the clouds aren't there.
Now for an antique source por favor.

I wasn't trying to make you silly. No idea how you got that idea. I did show you were clearly lying about your claims.

"I meant sources for earlier times and since I do not believe photography was invented in the early 5th century I do not count these as sources. "
Keep on moving the goalpost. Unless you can prove that climate was very different in egypt during that time period then you have no case in here.

"for the clouds: if there are none the desert can cool out way more quickly. This even happens in europe. On a cloudy night where the sun heated up the surroundings during teh day it is way warmer than if the clouds aren't there. "
Still no idea why you're even mentioning clouds, unless you're trying to establish authority once again. Like you attempted with "I'm egyptologist".

[MoistCake]

http://lonelyconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Snow-in-Egypt.jpg

wtf do you call that then, you inbred ♥♥♥♥♥♥

and you cant say ♥♥♥♥ about snow being there in the 5th century, you werent there. SO stop playing the Mr i know it all :)

[Gretschory]

Originally posted by Pumis:

Originally posted by Gretschory:

"for the clouds: if there are none the desert can cool out way more quickly. This even happens in europe. On a cloudy night where the sun heated up the surroundings during teh day it is way warmer than if the clouds aren't there. "
Still no idea why you're even mentioning clouds, unless you're trying to establish authority once again. Like you attempted with "I'm egyptologist".

I can't remember to state that I meant it can NEVER happen. I meant during that period and in this magnitude. Nothing else was said. Iam in no way movin the goal post

To claim the climate was very different: The Nile was way bigger, so there were regions with almost subtropian climate like today near the equator. I am no climate expert but I would say this is very different from the desert climate of today with its extreme temperature fluctuation.
Some of the oasis lakes that are present today even were fed by the nile. They even transported huge stones via ship deep into todays desert. (look for Djoser or the failed attempts of pyramid building) There are drawings of the botanical variety (one of them in Karnak - Achmenu) which shows parks they were caring for with plants that are unknown today or can only be found way more south in africa. And they weren't way down soutn, the ancient egypts I mean.

Yes you do try to make me look silly by constantly remarking how I "failed" how I "try to establish authority" and nitpicking on my remark that I am an "egyptologist". That was just for the mere reason, why I was laughing in the first place, because I sincerely cannot remember and now cannot find ANY source for a snowfall of that magnitude, hell not even for snowfall at all.
One person stated that it might have been very common. That actually might be the case, but I can remember one of the reliefs in Karnak telling about the white covered mountains they saw, which reminded them of the pyramids. That however is way before the time I am looking for.

[Gretschory]

Originally posted by ▨General_Eddy▨:

http://lonelyconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Snow-in-Egypt.jpg

wtf do you call that then, you inbred ♥♥♥♥♥♥

and you cant say ♥♥♥♥ about snow being there in the 5th century, you werent there. SO stop playing the Mr i know it all :)

How nice.... that was made in 420 AD?

Yeah but I can read the history records sooo?
BTW: Reported

[Pumis]

Originally posted by Gretschory:

I can't remember to state that I meant it can NEVER happen. I meant during that period and in this magnitude. Nothing else was said. Iam in no way movin the goal post

To claim the climate was very different: The Nile was way bigger, so there were regions with almost subtropian climate like today near the equator. I am no climate expert but I would say this is very different from the desert climate of today with its extreme temperature fluctuation.
Some of the oasis lakes that are present today even were fed by the nile. They even transported huge stones via ship deep into todays desert. (look for Djoser or the failed attempts of pyramid building) There are drawings of the botanical variety (one of them in Karnak - Achmenu) which shows parks they were caring for with plants that are unknown today or can only be found way more south in africa. And they weren't way down soutn, the ancient egypts I mean.

Yes you do try to make me look silly by constantly remarking how I "failed" how I "try to establish authority" and nitpicking on my remark that I am an "egyptologist". That was just for the mere reason, why I was laughing in the first place, because I sincerely cannot remember and now cannot find ANY source for a snowfall of that magnitude, hell not even for snowfall at all.
One person stated that it might have been very common. That actually might be the case, but I can remember one of the reliefs in Karnak telling about the white covered mountains they saw, which reminded them of the pyramids. That however is way before the time I am looking for.

first of all if you can't provide any evidence where I say that you're silly then by all meanings you have no case in trying to claim that I tried to make you silly. Especially when I stated that I merely showed that you have been lying.

Last time I checked being a lier isn't silly thing.

Some of that region is still subtropian. You're not climate expert then why are you making a claim that you know for certainty that there can't be snow in egypt during that time period. Most of stuff you mention in your first segment tliterally has nothing to do with this.

"Yes you do try to make me look silly by constantly remarking how I "failed" how I "try to establish authority" "
That is all in your head. I'm simply stating that you're not honest person with your claims.

So again unless you can give evidence that it was impossible to have snow in egypt during that time period then you have no case in here. There are evidence that there were deserts in egypt during that time period and egyptians even had word for snow. You're basically saying "Since I cannot find scripture which talks about snow, then there couldn't be snow". With that argument we could say that some other culture didn't have a rain since they never mentioned rainining in their text.

That is why everyone has been telling you, that there can be snow in egypt. That is why your claim is absurd unless you can actually provide reason why there can't be snow during that time and age.

[Gretschory]

Originally posted by Pumis:

So again unless you can give evidence that it was impossible to have snow in egypt during that time period then you have no case in here. There are evidence that there were deserts in egypt during that time period and egyptians even had word for snow. You're basically saying "Since I cannot find scripture which talks about snow, then there couldn't be snow". With that argument we could say that some other culture didn't have a rain since they never mentioned rainining in their text.

That is why everyone has been telling you, that there can be snow in egypt. That is why your claim is absurd unless you can actually provide reason why there can't be snow during that time and age.

Where am I lying? I studied egyptology for a long time, longer than that subkect even deserved (10yrs) and after all it is for nothing. So there is no lie here.

Second: I did never claim that there can be no snow in egypt at all. But I meant at that time. That is why I am asking so desperatly for a source. Weren't you the one (will look it up right after I wrote this and correct me if I am wrong) that claimed that there was snow? Like with "recorded history"?*edit* Seriously I don't want to be right here anymore. I have a genuine interest now in the subject, as I stated, if there was such an event, someone would have written it down? They wrote down every years nile flood painstakinly accurate, but if most of their ccounry is frozen they wont? That makes no sense for me. Do you get that?

For the rest I will not comment on it any further, because you're seemingly not interested in a discussion but more into trolling or calling me a liar. Which is an insult btw.

Edit: I stand corrected: It wasn't you who claimed that. Sorry for that. BUT in regards to that I NEVER claimed it was impossible. I just don't think it has happened at that time in this magnitude and nothing else was or am I claiming.

[Gretschory]

Originally posted by Bladeuk:

It is not completley unplausable that it didn't snow, there are sources that in the year 401 the Pontus sea froze for 20 days, at the same time the Thames was frozen for two months, and the sea was frozen between Constantinople and Scutari. In the year 400 the Black sea froze completely. That's some pretty extreme weather, they didn't make it like Game of Thrones, it was like that in most parts of Europe, so what if over exaggerate it it a little bit?

Oh I also overlooked that. Yes I actually found some mentions of that. But why nothing in that region. Nevermind you are right this is extreme weather and yes overexaggeration is okay... after all it is a game ;) I was just laughing so hard because I can't remember anything like that happened. And showing the black sea frozen shut would have been enough. But I guess there are not so many remarkable sites there at that time.

[Ar-Pharazôn]

I guess CA has been watching way too much Game of Thrones.

[Pumis]

Originally posted by Gretschory:

Originally posted by Pumis:

first of all if you can't provide any evidence where I say that you're silly then by all meanings you have no case in trying to claim that I tried to make you silly. Especially when I stated that I merely showed that you have been lying.

Last time I checked being a lier isn't silly thing.

Some of that region is still subtropian. You're not climate expert then why are you making a claim that you know for certainty that there can't be snow in egypt during that time period. Most of stuff you mention in your first segment tliterally has nothing to do with this.

"Yes you do try to make me look silly by constantly remarking how I "failed" how I "try to establish authority" "
That is all in your head. I'm simply stating that you're not honest person with your claims.

So again unless you can give evidence that it was impossible to have snow in egypt during that time period then you have no case in here. There are evidence that there were deserts in egypt during that time period and egyptians even had word for snow. You're basically saying "Since I cannot find scripture which talks about snow, then there couldn't be snow". With that argument we could say that some other culture didn't have a rain since they never mentioned rainining in their text.

That is why everyone has been telling you, that there can be snow in egypt. That is why your claim is absurd unless you can actually provide reason why there can't be snow during that time and age.

Where am I lying? I studied egyptology for a long time, longer than that subkect even deserved (10yrs) and after all it is for nothing. So there is no lie here.

Second: I did never claim that there can be no snow in egypt at all. But I meant at that time. That is why I am asking so desperatly for a source. Weren't you the one (will look it up right after I wrote this and correct me if I am wrong) that claimed that there was snow? Like with "recorded history" ? Seriously I don't want to be right here anymore. I have a genuine interest now in the subject, as I stated, if there was such an event, someone would have written it down? They wrote down every years nile flood painstakinly accurate, but if most of their ccounry is frozen they wont? That makes no sense for me. Do you get that?

For the rest I will not comment on it any further, because you're seemingly not interested in a discussion but more into trolling or calling me a liar. Which is an insult btw.

First of all we have no evidence expect your words alone that you have studied egyptology. For someone who is in field of science you should be aware that what burden of proof and logical fallacies are.

Second, even if you're egyptologist it doesn't mean that you would be good one or just outright lying.

" I did never claim that there can be no snow in egypt at all. But I meant at that time."
And my previous comment said pretty clearly. Can you prove that it was impossible to have snow in egypt during that time period? You're avoiding the question like plague.

" have a genuine interest now in the subject, as I stated, if there was such an event, someone would have written it down?"
Plenty of possible events that no one writes up, or it has been destroyed over time. Or outright lies in some books.

"They wrote down every years nile flood painstakinly accurate, but if most of their ccounry is frozen they wont?"
Having snow for day or two doesn't mean that whole country is frozen.

"trolling or calling me a liar."
You have weird defination of trolling. And I have all good reasons to suspect that you're lying. Calling someone out from possible lie isn't an insult, and I could say that it offends me greatly that you demand that no one should call you out from something like this simply because you feel insulted.

[Gretschory]

Originally posted by Pumis:

For the rest I will not comment on it any further, because you're seemingly not interested in a discussion but more into trolling or calling me a liar. Which is an insult btw.

First of all we have no evidence expect your words alone that you have studied egyptology. For someone who is in field of science you should be aware that what burden of proof and logical fallacies are.

Second, even if you're egyptologist it doesn't mean that you would be good one or just outright lying.

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Yes and you need to take my word for it since I will not offer private information on a video games forum. Maybe we will meet again on a forum for antique sciences someday.
Second: Telling me in the next point I am avoiding the question, you still have to prove where I am lying? Besides the egyptologist part. And yes I am probably not a good one.

" I did never claim that there can be no snow in egypt at all. But I meant at that time."
And my previous comment said pretty clearly. Can you prove that it was impossible to have snow in egypt during that time period? You're avoiding the question like plague.

Since I am not claiming this point I don't have to prove any part of that. I simpy stated I cannot recall any sources telling that it happened. Since both sides of this argument are theories (to go full scientist now, as you are trying to) neihter of it have definitve proof. Correct? I said I am trying to find a source for a happening like that and as stated in another post other civilizations wrote events like that down. And suddenly the "we write everything down till the last man on earth will know it"-egyptians stop it? That seems to at least support my theory. If you can name a source for the event (be it from that time or from todays scientists) I will give up the discussion and have to agree with you. So far the only thing you did was call me a liar and that I have to prove something that I didn't claim. Reminds me sort of the discussions with creationists.

" have a genuine interest now in the subject, as I stated, if there was such an event, someone would have written it down?"
Plenty of possible events that no one writes up, or it has been destroyed over time. Or outright lies in some books.

again no source just nothing. Common. I sense you are a science guy too. You can do better than that.

"They wrote down every years nile flood painstakinly accurate, but if most of their ccounry is frozen they wont?"
Having snow for day or two doesn't mean that whole country is frozen.

Does this in the video look like "snow for a day or two"? I mean for me it looks like a freaking blizzard. Maybe that is just my sense of snow, but these snow dust particles flying around are kind of a dead give away for me. It looks frozen to me.

"trolling or calling me a liar."
You have weird defination of trolling. And I have all good reasons to suspect that you're lying. Calling someone out from possible lie isn't an insult, and I could say that it offends me greatly that you demand that no one should call you out from something like this simply because you feel insulted.

Still I am not lying. But let's say the egyptologist is gone okay? Just so you can stop calling me a liar about that. Now tell me where am I lying again?

[Pumis]

Originally posted by Gretschory:

Originally posted by pumis:

First of all we have no evidence expect your words alone that you have studied egyptology. For someone who is in field of science you should be aware that what burden of proof and logical fallacies are.

Second, even if you're egyptologist it doesn't mean that you would be good one or just outright lying.

Yes and you need to take my word for it since I will not offer private information on a video games forum. Maybe we will meet again on a forum for antique sciences someday.
Second: Telling me in the next point I am avoiding the question, you still have to prove where I am lying? Besides the egyptologist part. And yes I am probably not a good one.

" I did never claim that there can be no snow in egypt at all. But I meant at that time."
And my previous comment said pretty clearly. Can you prove that it was impossible to have snow in egypt during that time period? You're avoiding the question like plague.

Since I am not claiming this point I don't have to prove any part of that. I simpy stated I cannot recall any sources telling that it happened. Since both sides of this argument are theories (to go full scientist now, as you are trying to) neihter of it have definitve proof. Correct? I said I am trying to find a source for a happening like that and as stated in another post other civilizations wrote events like that down. And suddenly the "we write everything down till the last man on earth will know it"-egyptians stop it? That seems to at least support my theory. If you can name a source for the event (be it from that time or from todays scientists) I will give up the discussion and have to agree with you. So far the only thing you did was call me a liar and that I have to prove something that I didn't claim. Reminds me sort of the discussions with creationists.

" have a genuine interest now in the subject, as I stated, if there was such an event, someone would have written it down?"
Plenty of possible events that no one writes up, or it has been destroyed over time. Or outright lies in some books.

again no source just nothing. Common. I sense you are a science guy too. You can do better than that.

"They wrote down every years nile flood painstakinly accurate, but if most of their ccounry is frozen they wont?"
Having snow for day or two doesn't mean that whole country is frozen.

Does this in the video look like "snow for a day or two"? I mean for me it looks like a freaking blizzard. Maybe that is just my sense of snow, but these snow dust particles flying around are kind of a dead give away for me. It looks frozen to me.

"trolling or calling me a liar."
You have weird defination of trolling. And I have all good reasons to suspect that you're lying. Calling someone out from possible lie isn't an insult, and I could say that it offends me greatly that you demand that no one should call you out from something like this simply because you feel insulted.

Still I am not lying. But let's say the egyptologist is gone okay? Just so you can stop calling me a liar about that. Now tell me where am I lying again?

Please fix your quotes. It's terrible to try to read that mess.

"Yes and you need to take my word for it since I will not offer private information on a video games forum."
I need? What if I says that I'm egyptologist and also climate scientists. Are you going to take my word for it? It's pointless to ever mention on internet of what you're doing for your job. Because on internet, everyone is the president of the USA and top rate navy seal members.

"Telling me in the next point I am avoiding the question, you still have to prove where I am lying? Besides the egyptologist part. And yes I am probably not a good one."
Burden of proof doesn't work that way. You made three claims.
First, there is no snow in egypt. And you claimed that you searched all the places. In this context I had said before that there has been snowing in egypt, it literally had nothing to do did it happen in past. Then you demanded evidence for it and claimed that you have never heard about snow in egypt and searched like a hounddog.

Second: You're possible career choice. We have no reason to assume that you're speaking truth, especially since you clealry made a troll thread which purpose is to mock devs.

Third: You have pretty much made statement that it's impossible to have snow in that period of time without actually providing any evidence why it's so.

You have provided no evidence for any of this. It's impossible for me to prove that you're not egyptologist as it's impossible of you to prove that I'm not a god. However it's possible for you to prove that you're egyptologist. However so far we all have very good reason to think that you're lying.

"Since I am not claiming this point I don't have to prove any part of that."
So now you're not claiming that there was no snow in egypt during that time period?
IF you say yes then this conversation and thread is over. You have been mocking devs from this yet without providing any reasons for anyone to doubt their decision.

"Since both sides of this argument are theories (to go full scientist now, as you are trying to) neihter of it have definitve proof. Correct?"
^Burden of proof is on you. Since we have no reason to assume that the climate in egypt in those days was a lot of different. We have records that they have deserts and we have records that all over the world. On pretty much every desert. There has been snow.

" Reminds me sort of the discussions with creationists."
This is bit ironic since neither of you understand what burden of proof means.

"again no source just nothing. Common. I sense you are a science guy too. You can do better than that.
"
Burden of proof.

"Does this in the video look like "snow for a day or two"? I mean for me it looks like a freaking blizzard. Maybe that is just my sense of snow, but these snow dust particles flying around are kind of a dead give away for me. It looks frozen to me."
Whole country doesn't need to be frozen in order to have blizzard. You only need heavy rain and strong wind.

"Still I am not lying. But let's say the egyptologist is gone okay? Just so you can stop calling me a liar about that. Now tell me where am I lying again?"
I'm not really trying to piss you off from calling yourself egyptologist. I'm merelly pointing out that it's literally irrelevant to anything. You probably have watched game of the thrones? It's like when king joffrey says "I'm the king!". Which Tywin answers back "No king who needs to yell that they are king, is a king."

As for man of science you should understand that in eyes of science what you have studied or done in life means literally nothing. Only thing that matters is evidence.

[Gretschory]

Originally posted by Pumis:

TEEEXT

First thesis: I never, and I don't know how often I have to repeat that, claimed that there is no snow in egypt. I said I cannot not recall any source talking about snow during that time period in that specific region (Thebes to Alexandria) espacially not on that magnitude. If any of my posts was read like that, I aüplogize for not beeing a lawsman in my words.

Second: I have not chosen a career in this field since it is nearly impossible to make a good living without having a Doctors degree or above in that field of science. I am not trolling, yet mocking them yes because I still think that it didn't happen that way.

Third: Climate: I told you, we have the records of flora and fauna in THAT specific region (okay I didn't clearly state that, I'll give you that) and some of it from that time which makes it impossible to deny that in, again that region, the climate was different from now. Have you been there? It is very desert like with some green spaces, very hot, sometimes very cold at night outside the cities, the delta is nearly dried out (speaking in comparable terms from ancient time) and you still tell me that will have no impact on the overall climate of the region?
Read this (careful popular) and go deeper with the secondary litearture: http://www.amazon.de/Der-Nil-Lebensader-Alten-%C3%84gypten/dp/3777437158
I will not give you any more proof on that


To the other parts: I did misread the point with the no snow argument. Thought you were again going about "no snow at all". My bad. I am tired ;)

BTW I said I searched everywhere I could possibly think about in context of ancient sources. I get the feeling we are somewhat on the same page now but just misread the comments of the other one.

To the burden of proof: Yes, it is on me, and since I cannot find any sourcematerial from that point of history, be it ancient or recent I am stating "t did not happen, because there is no scientifc evidence for it." I cannot proof nonexisting things. There are no records, no scientific data, at least that is what I found so far. Now the burden of proof lies on you if I am correct? So as it stands the lack of source material or scientifc data for that region supports my Statement. I will try to look into it more. If I recall correctly one of my old fellow students actually looks into the nile flood in the late antique, which should cover that period. I will ask him maybe he found something.

So in one point I give you the win in this. The destroyed part is very possible since the specific time period means they used demotic as a written language, which also means the most things were written on papyrus, which than in conclusion means the risk of losing something would be far greater than the usual stone tablets. But, since I was there, in Vienna is a giant archive of not yet translated papyri and maybe someone will find something there. Than we can talk again.

So the point of stating the "egyptologist" merely was for the reason, the regular trolls will stay off, since they would fear I actually can look up what they are claiming. And it worked to some degree.

But being called a liar and ignorant (which wasn't you) is in no way to start a fiscussion with me since it automatically starts a repulsive behaviour in me. Which it will probaly do in the most people.


Ah and common the "Blizzard" thing was just nitpicking. In my understanding Blizzard in english means snow storm or freezing over? I did not know that could mean thunderstorm or hailstorm too.

[Pumis]

Originally posted by Gretschory:

Originally posted by Pumis:

First thesis: I never, and I don't know how often I have to repeat that, claimed that there is no snow in egypt. I said I cannot not recall any source talking about snow during that time period in that specific region (Thebes to Alexandria) espacially not on that magnitude. If any of my posts was read like that, I aüplogize for not beeing a lawsman in my words.

Second: I have not chosen a career in this field since it is nearly impossible to make a good living without having a Doctors degree or above in that field of science. I am not trolling, yet mocking them yes because I still think that it didn't happen that way.

Third: Climate: I told you, we have the records of flora and fauna in THAT specific region (okay I didn't clearly state that, I'll give you that) and some of it from that time which makes it impossible to deny that in, again that region, the climate was different from now. Have you been there? It is very desert like with some green spaces, very hot, sometimes very cold at night outside the cities, the delta is nearly dried out (speaking in comparable terms from ancient time) and you still tell me that will have no impact on the overall climate of the region?
Read this (careful popular) and go deeper with the secondary litearture: http://www.amazon.de/Der-Nil-Lebensader-Alten-%C3%84gypten/dp/3777437158
I will not give you any more proof on that


To the other parts: I did misread the point with the no snow argument. Thought you were again going about "no snow at all". My bad. I am tired ;)

BTW I said I searched everywhere I could possibly think about in context of ancient sources. I get the feeling we are somewhat on the same page now but just misread the comments of the other one.

To the burden of proof: Yes, it is on me, and since I cannot find any sourcematerial from that point of history, be it ancient or recent I am stating "t did not happen, because there is no scientifc evidence for it." I cannot proof nonexisting things. There are no records, no scientific data, at least that is what I found so far. Now the burden of proof lies on you if I am correct? So as it stands the lack of source material or scientifc data for that region supports my Statement. I will try to look into it more. If I recall correctly one of my old fellow students actually looks into the nile flood in the late antique, which should cover that period. I will ask him maybe he found something.

So in one point I give you the win in this. The destroyed part is very possible since the specific time period means they used demotic as a written language, which also means the most things were written on papyrus, which than in conclusion means the risk of losing something would be far greater than the usual stone tablets. But, since I was there, in Vienna is a giant archive of not yet translated papyri and maybe someone will find something there. Than we can talk again.

So the point of stating the "egyptologist" merely was for the reason, the regular trolls will stay off, since they would fear I actually can look up what they are claiming. And it worked to some degree.

But being called a liar and ignorant (which wasn't you) is in no way to start a fiscussion with me since it automatically starts a repulsive behaviour in me. Which it will probaly do in the most people.


Ah and common the "Blizzard" thing was just nitpicking. In my understanding Blizzard in english means snow storm or freezing over? I did not know that could mean thunderstorm or hailstorm too.

Didn't I ask you to fix the quotes? Are you doing this on purpose to make it bothersome to read your wall of text when you cnanot even quote right?

Your third part. There are records that during that time and age there were also desert in there. And deserts all over the world have snow.

The climate isn't that much different.

In fact we have evidence that it can snow in tropical enviroment too.

http://iceagenow.info/2015/01/tropical-snowfall-congestion-sa-pa-vietnam/

"and you still tell me that will have no impact on the overall climate of the region? "
Yes because as long as there is desert. THERE WILL BE SNOW.

If the whole area is tropical jungle then you should've just mocked CA for making egypt look like a desert.

"To the other parts: I did misread the point with the no snow argument. Thought you were again going about "no snow at all". My bad. I am tired ;) "
Not a bid deal it happens. At least you were able to regonize it. :)

"There are no records, no scientific data, at least that is what I found so far. Now the burden of proof lies on you if I am correct?"
IT doesn't work that way. You made claim that there can't be snow during that time period. It's up to you to prove it impossible, when we have already provided proof that it can snow in egypt and now I even provided that it can snow in tropical too.
And as I have stated, as long as there is desert there is snow, but very rarely. It really needs that rain in order to happen.

" But, since I was there, in Vienna is a giant archive of not yet translated papyri and maybe someone will find something there. Than we can talk again."
They burned one of the greatest libaries of ancient time and age. I wouldn't be surprised if information has been gone by then.

"Ah and common the "Blizzard" thing was just nitpicking. In my understanding Blizzard in english means snow storm or freezing over?"
It's simply snow storm. All it needs is a heavy rain and strong wind.

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Originally posted by Pumis:

Didn't I ask you to fix the quotes? Are you doing this on purpose to make it bothersome to read your wall of text when you cnanot even quote right?

Your third part. There are records that during that time and age there were also desert in there. And deserts all over the world have snow.

The climate isn't that much different.

In fact we have evidence that it can snow in tropical enviroment too.

http://iceagenow.info/2015/01/tropical-snowfall-congestion-sa-pa-vietnam/

"and you still tell me that will have no impact on the overall climate of the region? "
Yes because as long as there is desert. THERE WILL BE SNOW.

"There are no records, no scientific data, at least that is what I found so far. Now the burden of proof lies on you if I am correct?"
IT doesn't work that way. You made claim that there can't be snow during that time period. It's up to you to prove it impossible, when we have already provided proof that it can snow in egypt and now I even provided that it can snow in tropical too.
And as I have stated, as long as there is desert there is snow, but very rarely. It really needs that rain in order to happen.

Dude seriously that is not my fault. This is steam. Yours look like a wall of text to me too. It is very hard to find your points under mine. Probably why I misread alot.

Yes there were deserts there, but not in that region. Actually I think the Nile was still so big at that time you could ferry over to the pyramids. But I am actually unsure about that. The region of Alexandria was not a desert during this time. When I recall correctly it even was a very fertile region in modern times, until all the stuff with the nile (dams, reorientation, etc) happened.
It was not all tropical jungle but at least the regions close to the nile were no desert. I think the earliest desert regions can be set around the distance of the valley of the kings or the pyramids (but that is because they are built on a stone plateau) regarding the Nile today.

To the burden of proof again: So tell me how am I to prove something when science says it isn't there? As I said I am no meterologist and have to look further in that case, since in my field, meaning ancient records, there is no evidence. I can find records of a cold period all down to the southern peak of italy and even to Jerusalem. But anymore south there is no evidence for that. Either they didn't bother or it is actually not there. So the data shows nothing, what shall I do now?

EDIT: Please change your tone. Sentences like that "Didn't I ask you to fix the quotes? Are you doing this on purpose to make it bothersome to read your wall of text when you cnanot even quote right?" are completely unnecessary at that point