AoC Charlemagne help

[Imposter]

Anybody having fun as Charlemagne faction? I can't get into it; too many rebellions, too much enemy agent success rates, underpopped garrison, micromanaging invaders, unit roster sucks, what an overly complicated DLC faction, so far; is there some strategy to the Charlemagne campaign? Or is it just that stupidly difficult to manage?

I am having a pretty easy time as Avars or Westphalia I cannot STAND Charlemagnes units and buildings/ whatever. Any suggestions would be great, as above though, is my opinion about the playthrough so far commenting on that isn't that important and it shouldn't reflect to your feelings; it's just my journey. Thanks.

[Maschinengewehr]

Same. Charlemagne's faction is very hard, and your starting position really hamstrings you.

The best I could do is settle for peace with the French duchies and focus my efforts towards the pagan Germans. It went well for a while until war weariness kicked in and I had numerous separatists movements start. From there it just snowballed against me...

[dziedzic]

Try age of vikings (I think that's what it's called) it's a very good overhaul. I had the same problems an that seemed to fix it for me.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Same. Charlemagne's faction is very hard, and your starting position really hamstrings you.

The best I could do is settle for peace with the French duchies and focus my efforts towards the pagan Germans. It went well for a while until war weariness kicked in and I had numerous separatists movements start. From there it just snowballed against me...

Yeah I opted for peace to the south, after I took an important town of theirs but as I started against the Pagan Germans, with the crappy unhappy population constantly on my heels, with rebellion while fighting off stacks of German Pagans, what a pain in the ass! I got really far in one of my earlier campaigns but I started losing MAJOR amount of money, for no reason, and then the moors tried to invade and then I was done, lol, I had had enough of the extremely tedious foot work. I also definitely did not want to fight Charlemagnes brothers territory either, because F- That.

I thought this last update for the DLC patches would have made it 'better' or more 'playable' but I think they made it more difficult...

[Imposter]

Originally posted by dziedzic:

Try age of vikings (I think that's what it's called) it's a very good overhaul. I had the same problems an that seemed to fix it for me.

I appreciate the mod advice but I avoid mods. I like to mod after I sort of master the vanilla version of a game first, no offense.

[Fanest]

Im doing pretty well with Avars on legendary :P, funny thing is that integrity of the armies is my main concern.

I think u guys should just play campaign on more easy settings because -8 public order penalty on legendary is huge (beside all other penalties), and it definitely helps with rebellions in provinces.

[The Night King]

Same here, I can do factions on legendary on the grand campaign, and on this I tried Mercia on hard then normal and failed epically from rebellions and so on, I also hate the buildings and unit rosters most factions seem to get about 2 units in each category

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Fanest:

Im doing pretty well with Avars on legendary :P, funny thing is that integrity of the armies is my main concern.

I think u guys should just play campaign on more easy settings because -8 public order penalty on legendary is huge (beside all other penalties), and it definitely helps with rebellions in provinces.

Yeah Avars is one of my forte`s in AoC; their location and their units are pretty diverse and seemingly useful overall. Also legendary or not, their penalties are still pretty bad in VH, to normal. Legendary is pretty bad with war weariness though.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Fanest:

Im doing pretty well with Avars on legendary :P, funny thing is that integrity of the armies is my main concern.

I think u guys should just play campaign on more easy settings because -8 public order penalty on legendary is huge (beside all other penalties), and it definitely helps with rebellions in provinces.

The Avars stomp other factions when you play them because they're the only horse archer centric faction in the game. That and they get shock cav earlier than anyone else.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Originally posted by Fanest:

Im doing pretty well with Avars on legendary :P, funny thing is that integrity of the armies is my main concern.

I think u guys should just play campaign on more easy settings because -8 public order penalty on legendary is huge (beside all other penalties), and it definitely helps with rebellions in provinces.

The Avars stomp other factions when you play them because they're the only horse archer centric faction in the game. That and they get shock cav earlier than anyone else.

Yup, I always like the whole skirmish thing. It's really the only stark difference between them and the rest of the factions in the game which is why I guess I find it more refreshing but still, Charlemagnes faction would still be something I would like to get good at but man, holy crap its so time consuming!

[Josh]

Wow it's a good thing multiple people here gave tips about playing extremely easy factions that aren't even a shred of the difficulty that Charlemagne's faction is. Thanks for your insights.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Josh:

Wow it's a good thing multiple people here gave tips about playing extremely easy factions that aren't even a shred of the difficulty that Charlemagne's faction is. Thanks for your insights.

lol

[Fanest]

Originally posted by Josh:

Wow it's a good thing multiple people here gave tips about playing extremely easy factions that aren't even a shred of the difficulty that Charlemagne's faction is. Thanks for your insights.

Its basically always the same when it comes to managing empires and that is building appropriate buildings and balancing provinces. And in Charlemagne keeping a good public order is easier for Christian factions because they can build abbeys. Also its easier to engage in diplomacy because they like you more (same faith). For example was able to get trade agreements with pretty much all christian faction (on VH), which is impossible with avars.

[Josh]

Originally posted by Fanest:

Originally posted by Josh:

Wow it's a good thing multiple people here gave tips about playing extremely easy factions that aren't even a shred of the difficulty that Charlemagne's faction is. Thanks for your insights.

Its basically always the same when it comes to managing empires and that is building appropriate buildings and balancing provinces. And in Charlemagne keeping a good public order is easier for Christian factions because they can build abbeys. Also its easier to engage in diplomacy because they like you more (same faith). For example was able to get trade agreements with pretty much all christian faction (on VH), which is impossible with avars.

someone has clearly never played The Kingdom of Charlemagne. and you've never beaten the game as them despite it being "easier" what a coincidence

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Josh:

Originally posted by Fanest:

Its basically always the same when it comes to managing empires and that is building appropriate buildings and balancing provinces. And in Charlemagne keeping a good public order is easier for Christian factions because they can build abbeys. Also its easier to engage in diplomacy because they like you more (same faith). For example was able to get trade agreements with pretty much all christian faction (on VH), which is impossible with avars.

someone has clearly never played The Kingdom of Charlemagne. and you've never beaten the game as them despite it being "easier" what a coincidence

I agree even if it is easy I am sure it wasn't easy the first time, he may think it's easy now because he's good at it but I bet it wasn't the first go round. I built Abbeys and that still didn't work people were going ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in 100% christian towns.

[Imposter]

I don't mind getting my ass handed to me but I am not seeing or catching the intuition of gameplay error here.