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번역 관련 문제 보고
Yea IDk its Many people Said that bugged because i can kill it and fill the chest with goosemoosle loot maybe i not enought playing at pub Server, my longest Pub Server its 1 year around at Klei Dedicated server and only boss i killed there is Moosegoose due everyone Race to kill deerclops for the hat and Bearger too and its like 2019? and Raid Bos at Comunity Server
You know i try give you strategy,Give you example,try to analize your video and try to explain it, i Encourage you to fight it rather run from it, but run away its an options too i am Not Denied that GooseMoose fly mid Fight too, in my experience i can kill the goosemoose and i try to tell it to you and hope you can kill it by yourself, Rather than just Ranting this thing Bugged i try give you solution.
But people look it like no better than said "git gud" this 2 Word and all my explanation above its waste of time?
and Why they Fix the Toadstool recently and not this Moosegoose and Dragonfly thingy?
Yes no matter what. All those giants bugged is a "core design" of DST.
The design of not beeing able to hit and run and slowly hurting a giant within 5 days of fighttime ingame was smart on paper, but it bugs out crazily.
If you wanna be guaranteeed that goose dies fast, try to kill it with burst damage like gun powder. Fast face tank with 3 wolfgangs & hambat in a party. Generally try to kill goose within half ingame day time. Else you always risk that it randomly flies away and will ragequit xD
Let me explain: Klei never made an online game before, thus they only had experience in designing OFFLINE giants in classic DS singleplayer. Now they made DST back in 2013 and had to balance and party test bosses in ONLINE & PARTY environment.
This leads to 3 big problems:
PS2: Failing a dragonfly fight, because invincible or goose flying away no matter what is NO CASE of "git gud" it is a gamebreaking bug and only klei is responsible for such shoddy coding.
@OP don't feel bad if you fail giants fights, they are very buggy.
Most times only deerclops works 90% of times. Other giants are much more buggy and annoying sometimes.
Best example is the ancient fuelweaver. That endboss end of all DST giant fight is buggy as hell maybe 70%, people still are able to kill it and speedrun, but only because they learned to ADAPT to bugs and exploit or nullify them. Not because they are giant gods or "OP skill".
https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Reanimated_Skeleton
Mechanic seems fun on paper, but super buggy and most people ragequit frustrated!
TL;DR
Dragonfly getting invincible & Goose flying away no matter what is NOT A FEATURE it is a hard coded bug, which klei is too lazy to fix, since it exists since over 7 YEARS NOW.
And if you are really curious you would have found out this problem within 2 minutes of search in the klei official bug search forums:
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/klei-bug-tracker/dont-starve-together/
There you also see, if a bug is fixed or they never cared to check the bug/ look at it.
sry english is bad, i tried to explain it on a technical level. Maybe other person can explain it better.
/thread
i Want to know how you fight boss? Cause for Seasonal Giant you can kill them easyly With a Spear and log Suit if you Carefull with the kiting and For Raid Bosses its intended for Many people to fight it But you still can kill it solo with reasonable amount of time With bunch of preparation
and recently Klei Fix Toadstool because Wendy Update broke it, why you make statement they cant fix other giant mechanic?
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/117795-game-update-407516/
To be honest you can kill Moosegoose with reasonable amount of time as Wolfgang solo, i shared screenshot here if you read it and if used Gunpowed you need to becarefull it will burn the loot and you cant spam gunpoweder its just only effective at first time and need to wait to use it again
Like i Said Before Raid bos have large Area Teretory that you can fight it there and always aim player first diffrent from Seasonal bosses that can lose agro and ignore you and you must ran away from boss area to despawn it for Raid bos
hmm intresting I never Use ice Stave to beequeen, i used Wickerbottom Tentacle trap, So any Character can fight it easly, need to try this out and how you fight beequeen solo? the popular method its Wickerbottom Tentacle trap and Bunny,Merm army, Newer Method by Wendy and abygail Fight ,Winona Catapult (i used this at Dragonfly) and Wortox and Woodie Combo for 2 man run, How about Your method?
Yep its very good if they can get rid that lag when saving, But as for now i am ok with a bit lagh cause all world lags its like Paused for a bit, there is line that need prove or evidence the giant Despawn, cause as long as you get agro they not gonna let you go, thats my Exprience need more Research
i cant said much about this because some people want to fix it so no cheese to bosses but the other its ok with this
Ahh Speaking with exploit with FuelWeafer Klei try to fix it a bit and boi look like some of comunity dont like it, that Klei get the cheese away from them, its intended to Party boss but still you can kill it alone and chese it many people ok with that,
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112068-why-cant-we-break-the-fuelweavers-bone-cage/
Cant Find theread about people argue this topic looks like its got hidden
Can you tell more Where the Buggy thing at Fuelweaver? you can kill it Easly with leafyBulb exploit, or Winona Catapult Exist to help Fight a Chsee for you
if You look Exploit and Chese its a Sin then this is what i like in Dont Stave you can Approah problem in many way, So? Dont use it
The Problem With Bug its some time people not give many more info about their World are they Used Mods or no,what its their setting Vanila playthorugh or Modded. Where its the bug with Goosemoose and Dragonlfy Glitch peope Posted at Bug tracker? i am Dumb i cant see any of it
Why i know all this and the coding? Because i bug tested every single boss and solo killed all of them several times within years of research. If you don't believe my claims, simply google YT videos or steam guides. There are literally millions of ways to exploit / fast kill any giant in DST, because this game is very old and most "tactics" or cheese got researched enough.
DST weakest point was always the fight mechanic and the kiting ( hit & run ) tactic. This didn't change for Forge event. Didn't change when toadstool first released or ancient fuelweaver and will never change. If you want better boss AI or raid systems i'm afraid u might wanna search other true competent party MMO games. Those got much more refined party / aggro / script boss systems.
About how i fight bosses? Depends on the boss honestly. For example i really like to solo ancient fuelweaver with melee character, because more allies make the fight actually harder and raise the chances for bugs / bad boss aggro etc.
For bee queen i really enjoy make automatic farm with bunnymen or winonas catapult farms.
All seasonal bosses are so easy they can be soloed with log suit + hambat.
Also if you are very good in building automatic farms for BQ those should also work for dragonfly or toadstool with according tree managements.
Toadstool is a special case and needs more prep, but there are also alot of cheese guides on the internet. You can freeze or block him, and even if freeze is fixed it's still quite easy as 3 or more people
Dragonfly is also pretty straightforward you just need to wall the lava ponds in, but she is also annoying when she gets randomly invisible, so you might need to rewind the world occiasonally.
Also nowadays in 2020 i'm pretty sure most older bosses are quite easy to cheese with a big army from wurts merm warriors with merm king buff, although abit inefficient and needs alot of arena / building preps etc.
Since antlion is static it's most easy to kill him with gunpowder or turrets. He can't even run away or dodge.
Shadow pieces like bishop, rook, knight gets alot easier, if you make arena with speedbuff: cobblestone road + cane to dodge the rook smash and bishop bat attack. Or borrow WX with lightning speed.
Since malbatros is a big chicken and runs away from you when it's like below 30% HP, nowadays i'm too lazy to fight it melee so i just mow it down with mass craft of blow darts. But i'm pretty sure there are also myriards methods for malbatros. Albeit malbatros loot is really cra.ppy sadly :c
TL;DR
Basically any of those raidbosses are quite managable and easy with 2-3 competent allies as a group, exception ancient fuelweaver as stated above. Best method is learn their patterns / attacks / phases on test servers solo or with friends. And once you learned them enough make new world and try to speedrun them and tinker. First learn bosses on private hosted servers, once you can farm them consistent solo or with buddy help, try to speedrun them on public or dedicated steam servers.
Example help for boss farming and armor help:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1668701322
PS2: Snurtle armor or bone armor can you help alot to learn kiting right and general watching enemy attack patterns & block them.
But there is a thing that i want to pointed out
You cant kill bosses at First time so the Bosse its buggy, Even though the movement its Simple Hit and Run?
And at the other you said the Boss pretty managable and even you can Speedrun it
but You said the Boss its buggy what kind of bug?
like You said about Goosemoose that invincible but still you can kill it and the prove its people report about that but still low number and no Clear how to reproduce that too, then Dragonfly that invisible Mid fight But you not tell the Prove of the bug or how to Reproduce it, if you do a Deep Research at the boss Fight,
You only said Its Buggy and will Despawn at times but there is nothing how to reproduce it and Prove you only said "I know its Buggy because i testing it and kill it",So if Dont Starve Together Giant mechanic its Big Bug Buggy Hell hole maybe you can make something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8
But its diffrent problem if you see Exploit and Chese as Buggy mechanic you mention it
So from Your View Point Core problem its of DST its Simple Stright Forward Fight Movement, Very Simple Boss that more than one, Simple Creature Ai then Chese and Eksploit, Is That Corect?
For Cheese and Eksploit its kinda trickky to said People like it some Dont, there is People that make kind of this Mod to Banish all Exploit and Cheese out of existance
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2039181790
i Agree that Movement kinda Simple and The bosses not very Complicated.Not like MMO Game, Wait? What? MMO game? Lets look it online
https://mmorpgforums.com/threads/dont-starve-do-you-consider-it-an-rpg.23542/
Since When Dont Starve and Dont Starve Together its considered MMO Game?
Lets See Store Page and the Description
"Don’t Starve is an uncompromising wilderness survival game full of science and magic."
DST More The same But add Some Sandbox on the list and KIck the Uncompromissing
So Terraria and Minecraft You Consider it as MMO too? Next
You even said The Developer its lazy and not Fix any Boses and Giant bug for long time without Prove or Evidence, How? and Why? you can Spit it out loud
And i tell you that Deverloper Fix the Giant with a prove a Game Log from Deveoper a prove or Evidence,
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/117795-game-update-407516/
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/klei-bug-tracker/dont-starve-together-return-of-them/blocked-by-fuelweavers-fences-while-standing-on-the-edge-r21429/?tab=comments#comment-32568
Good Gameplay Tips by the Way i gotta get it all
https://steamcommunity.com/app/322330/discussions/0/4334097152430361285
My last Answer
Yep Its kinda out of topic and this theread kinda done, i think if this kinda coversation its still conntinue we should make new theread to disscuss
But there is a thing that i want to pointed out
You cant kill bosses at First time so the Bosse its buggy, Even though the movement its Simple Hit and Run?
And at the other you said the Boss pretty managable and even you can Speedrun it
but You said the Boss its buggy what kind of bug?
like You said about Goosemoose that invincible but still you can kill it and the prove its people report about that but still low number and no Clear how to reproduce that too, then Dragonfly that invisible Mid fight But you not tell the Prove of the bug or how to Reproduce it, if you do a Deep Research at the boss Fight,
You only said Its Buggy and will Despawn at times but there is nothing how to reproduce it and Prove you only said "I know its Buggy because i testing it and kill it",So if Dont Starve Together Giant mechanic its Big Bug Buggy Hell hole maybe you can make something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8&feature=youtu.be
But its diffrent problem if you see Exploit and Chese as Buggy mechanic you mention it
So from Your View Point Core problem its of DST its Simple Stright Forward Fight Movement, Very Simple Boss that more than one, Simple Creature Ai then Chese and Eksploit, Is That Corect?
For Cheese and Eksploit its kinda trickky to said Some People like it some Dont, there is People that make kind of this Mod to Banish all Exploit and Cheese out of existance
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2039181790
i Agree that Movement kinda Simple and The bosses not very Complicated.Not like MMO Game, Wait? What? MMO game? Lets look it online
https://mmorpgforums.com/threads/dont-starve-do-you-consider-it-an-rpg.23542/
Since When Dont Starve and Dont Starve Together its considered MMO Game?
Lets See Store Page and the Description
"Don’t Starve is an uncompromising wilderness survival game full of science and magic."
DST More The same But add Some Sandbox on the list and KIck the Uncompromissing
So Terraria and Minecraft You Consider it as MMO too? Next
You even said The Developer its lazy and not Fix any Boses and Giant bug for long time without Prove or Evidence, How? and Why? you can Spit it out loud
And i tell you that Deverloper Fix the Giant with a prove a Game Log from Deveoper a prove or Evidence,
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/117795-game-update-407516/
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/klei-bug-tracker/dont-starve-together-return-of-them/blocked-by-fuelweavers-fences-while-standing-on-the-edge-r21429/?tab=comments#comment-32568
Good Gameplay Tips by the Way i gotta get it all
https://steamcommunity.com/app/322330/discussions/0/4334097152430361285
To be honest its me that make it out off Topic so i Make this New Theread
So chesmu What bigges Giant bug you Encontered Not Exploit But Bug, That Make The Giant unkillable?
Don't then.
Evidence-wise don't be lazy simply use search engines to find your evidence and link them in your thread with da powa of the interwebs :D
Btw there are also several bug hunter and dedicated beta testers in the official klei forums etc:
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/klei-bug-tracker/dont-starve-together-return-of-them/
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=941667390
https://steamcommunity.com/app/322330/discussions/search/?q=giants+bugged&gidforum=613936673556268893&include_deleted=1
Keep in mind the search "only" found 38 main threads. But sometimes valve purges alot of their forums to hide faults / bugs / lazy developers or giant "early access" failures.
Same with reviews can't be trusted.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=852208383
legit BQ solo farm (might change with wickerbottom rework update)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1099124868
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1137722029
kitchen
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1107759908
armor farming
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1668701322
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1381414687
WIP
Yeah its a Newer Bug i even Encounter Mast Animation Glitch Bug but the problem i am at Moded Server,
To Be honest Klei Not Fast in Term Of fixing Bug, Remember Delayed Realise of Return of Them Turn of Tides they already Get the Release Date and Dissapointed Many people Because the game Not Stable at Beta Branch so They Take more time And Silent till Game ready to Release it
But lets Get back to Topic With Giant Bug