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Yasuke was a samurai
Yasuke being a samurai is a well-known fact, but given that there are still alt-right incel revisionists denying history, I figured I'd drop some receipts so that others can share them easily.

Japanese Historian Says There Is "No Doubt" That Assassin's Creed Shadows' Yasuke Was A Samurai[www.thegamer.com]

Historian explains why Yasuke was a Samurai

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke

Other readings on Yasuke
As the first foreign-born samurai, he is honestly a fascinating character.
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Fubukio 31 MAR a las 22:59 
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Funny how none of these sources are from Japan. They're all Western news sources.

Japanese historian, Yu Hirayama, whom has written several books on the time period that Yasuke is from, says there is "no doubt" he was a Samurai, and explains exactly why. You can find his entire explanation on his X account.
Yu Hirayama's status as a "historian" is very questionable, especially since he apparently has connections that benefits him if he says Yasuke is a samurai.

And his reasons that Yasuke is a samurai is cause Yasuke received a stipend, a sword and a home, even though all 3 of those privileges were given to non-samurai individuals as well, like merchants.
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Japanese historian, Yu Hirayama, whom has written several books on the time period that Yasuke is from, says there is "no doubt" he was a Samurai, and explains exactly why. You can find his entire explanation on his X account.
Yu Hirayama's status as a "historian" is very questionable, especially since he apparently has connections that benefits him if he says Yasuke is a samurai.

And his reasons that Yasuke is a samurai is cause Yasuke received a stipend, a sword and a home, even though all 3 of those privileges were given to non-samurai individuals as well, like merchants.

Funny no one questioned him for the multiple years before AC was out, and who is questioning him? anyone with the academic chops? no the people questioning him are internet clowns with ZERO knowledge expertise on the subject.

It is like flat earthers questioning Neil Degrasse Tyson, I mean yeah they do but it is worthless.

He was not given a sword - he was given a sword by a powerful lord, the "gifting" of the sword DIRECTLY from the Lord has significants in Japanese culture. If he was gifted a sword from the Lords but one of the Lords men fetch the blade for the armour - You would have a point. But he was not he specifically gifted a sword directly from the Lord himself.

The people of the city thought Yasuke would sooner or later be made a lord, his standing with Nobunaga. Which would have been much more shocking than him being a Samurai - one thing to have a foriegn fighter but to make him what is basically a Noble.
This is speculation form the people of the city at the time Nobunaga was still alive but is shows that they thought Yasuke was important enough.

End of the day Yu Hirayama is not the only Historian who thinks he was a Samurai, he is part of a consensus. and that consensus is much more compeling an argument than ANYTHING you have.
Jumunji (Bloqueado) 1 ABR a las 0:05 
Publicado originalmente por Ryuudou:
Yasuke being a samurai is a well-known fact, but given that there are still alt-right incel revisionists denying history, I figured I'd drop some receipts so that others can share them easily.

Japanese Historian Says There Is "No Doubt" That Assassin's Creed Shadows' Yasuke Was A Samurai[www.thegamer.com]

Historian explains why Yasuke was a Samurai

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke

Other readings on Yasuke
As the first foreign-born samurai, he is honestly a fascinating character.
lol he was a retainer who was there for less than a year his lord died did not commit seppuku like a samurai instead run off to a monastery to hide ..very very samurai like lol
Fubukio 1 ABR a las 1:38 
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Funny no one questioned him for the multiple years before AC was out, and who is questioning him?
Yasuke was widely known as just a retainer before AC:S was announced. And once it was announced, there was a lot of Wikipedia edits made that changed "retainer" to "samurai", and quite a number of edits were made by Thomas Lockley himself referencing his own books as sources.

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He was not given a sword - he was given a sword by a powerful lord, the "gifting" of the sword DIRECTLY from the Lord has significants in Japanese culture. If he was gifted a sword from the Lords but one of the Lords men fetch the blade for the armour - You would have a point. But he was not he specifically gifted a sword directly from the Lord himself.

The people of the city thought Yasuke would sooner or later be made a lord, his standing with Nobunaga. Which would have been much more shocking than him being a Samurai - one thing to have a foriegn fighter but to make him what is basically a Noble.
This is speculation form the people of the city at the time Nobunaga was still alive but is shows that they thought Yasuke was important enough.
This sounds so made up. Yasuke is a very vague figure in history who stayed in Japan for like a year, so where did you even pull these nonsenses out? From Thomas Lockley's books?

Also, merchants would've been given swords from powerful lords as well. Does that make those merchants samurais? NO.

Publicado originalmente por HereticRivga:
End of the day Yu Hirayama is not the only Historian who thinks he was a Samurai, he is part of a consensus. and that consensus is much more compeling an argument than ANYTHING you have.
What consensus? Yu Hirayama himself was greatly humiliated by other Japanese for his nonsenses. And how many historians agree that Yasuke is a samurai? Two? Three?
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What consensus? Yu Hirayama himself was greatly humiliated by other Japanese for his nonsenses. And how many historians agree that Yasuke is a samurai? Two? Three?


Japanese historian Oka Mihoko, from the University of Tokyo – the word Samurai is ambiguious diring this time period but it is fair to say he was a Samurai

Japanese historian Yuichi Goza (says he was Samurai in name only, not expected to fight), but also notes that not all Samurai in history would have been expected to fight (after all even in modern armies there are different roles).

Jonathan Lopez-Vera, a PhD in Japanese history who wrote one of the definitive books on the samurai, argued in his book that Yasuke was distinct from other paid vassals due of his closeness to Nobunaga, “He was granted the rank of samurai and occasionally even shared a table with Nobunaga himself, a privilege few of his other vassals were afforded”

Dan Sherer, a historian of pre-modern Japan, said that Yasuke would be considered a samurai by the standards of the time

African Samurai: The True Story of Yasuke, A Legendary Black Warrior In Japan by Thomas Lockley (Professor of History at Nihon University) – Lockley argues Yasuke would have been the equivalent to Hatamoto

Japanese historian Yu Hiramaya, who wrote over a dozen books on the Warring States Period, argued that Yasuke was a samurai on the basis that he received a stipend, was given a sword, had a residence, and closely served Nobunaga:



Counter argument:

John G. Russell, a professor of cultural anthropology at Gifu University, described Yasuke only as an “attendant”

Japanese historian Daimon Watanabe, a samurai expert, is also skeptical although it is not out of the question.


An this is from an article that was trying to disprove he was a Samurai and they still have more scholars saying he PROBABLY was. Note also the use of the word Samurai was still not fully defined like it was in the Edo period, so the question is really did he have the social standing of a Samurai or equivalent.
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Funny no one questioned him for the multiple years before AC was out, and who is questioning him?
Yasuke was widely known as just a retainer before AC:S was announced. And once it was announced, there was a lot of Wikipedia edits made that changed "retainer" to "samurai", and quite a number of edits were made by Thomas Lockley himself referencing his own books as sources.

Publicado originalmente por HereticRivga:
He was not given a sword - he was given a sword by a powerful lord, the "gifting" of the sword DIRECTLY from the Lord has significants in Japanese culture. If he was gifted a sword from the Lords but one of the Lords men fetch the blade for the armour - You would have a point. But he was not he specifically gifted a sword directly from the Lord himself.

The people of the city thought Yasuke would sooner or later be made a lord, his standing with Nobunaga. Which would have been much more shocking than him being a Samurai - one thing to have a foriegn fighter but to make him what is basically a Noble.
This is speculation form the people of the city at the time Nobunaga was still alive but is shows that they thought Yasuke was important enough.
This sounds so made up. Yasuke is a very vague figure in history who stayed in Japan for like a year, so where did you even pull these nonsenses out? From Thomas Lockley's books?

Also, merchants would've been given swords from powerful lords as well. Does that make those merchants samurais? NO.

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End of the day Yu Hirayama is not the only Historian who thinks he was a Samurai, he is part of a consensus. and that consensus is much more compeling an argument than ANYTHING you have.
What consensus? Yu Hirayama himself was greatly humiliated by other Japanese for his nonsenses. And how many historians agree that Yasuke is a samurai? Two? Three?

When was Yu Hirayama "greatly humiliated" for stating that Yasuke was a Samurai? I can find no references to that ever happening, but his X account post explaining why Yasuke would have qualified as a Samurai is still standing.

One would think that someone of his academic standing, and in a culture that greatly abhors shame, would have deleted this if he had actually been "greatly humiliated", but here it stands.

https://x.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814356500326035650

I mean, he literally goes on to list bullet points one by one. Doesn't seem so "humiliated" to me.

Secondly, has it ever occurred to you that the reason people believe Yasuke was a Samurai is because that's how he has been introduced to the world, by the Japanese and throughout Japanese culture? Take that into consideration and think about it.
The idea, and the belief that Yasuke was a Samurai didn't pop out of thin air, nor was the idea conceptualized by Ubisoft, nor did it start with "Thomas Lockley".

Japanese culture has always postured that Yasuke was a Samurai, and has always introduced him to the world as a Japanese historical figure - that was a Samurai. You can find him being portrayed that way in media and literature, going back DECADES.

There's literally a Japanese historical drama, known as Gunshi Kanbei, where Japan-based mixed martial artist Bernard Ackah was cast in the role of Yasuke way back in 2014. Google Gunshi Kanbei, and then Google Bernard Ackah.

Do you think THAT MAN, was cast as Yasuke, in a Japanese HISTORICAL DRAMA, by accident? Or was his casting deliberate?

Now tell me again, where did the notion of Yasuke being a Samurai originate?
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My take is that samurai was just a title and most likely given to him, even if not spoken.

And, the irony is ofc that his enemies, Odas, never considered Yasuke a samurai, and thats exactly why he got "spared" they took pity on him and thought Oda basically used a man for his own amusement, they said he was an animal that didnt know anything- which people spin as "racism" but I take it as, someone being abused in that sense he was just something paraded around for having black skin.

So the guy who actually disarmed Yasuke, and spared him, and sent him back to the slavers, clearly didnt see Yasuke as a "samurai" or else he would have cut him down, as everyone else they did that to.
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Yasuke was widely known as just a retainer before AC:S was announced. And once it was announced, there was a lot of Wikipedia edits made that changed "retainer" to "samurai", and quite a number of edits were made by Thomas Lockley himself referencing his own books as sources.


This sounds so made up. Yasuke is a very vague figure in history who stayed in Japan for like a year, so where did you even pull these nonsenses out? From Thomas Lockley's books?

Also, merchants would've been given swords from powerful lords as well. Does that make those merchants samurais? NO.


What consensus? Yu Hirayama himself was greatly humiliated by other Japanese for his nonsenses. And how many historians agree that Yasuke is a samurai? Two? Three?

When was Yu Hirayama "greatly humiliated" for stating that Yasuke was a Samurai? I can find no references to that ever happening, but his X account post explaining why Yasuke would have qualified as a Samurai is still standing.

One would think that someone of his academic standing, and in a culture that greatly abhors shame, would have deleted this if he had actually been "greatly humiliated", but here it stands.

https://x.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814356500326035650

I mean, he literally goes on to list bullet points one by one. Doesn't seem so "humiliated" to me.

Secondly, has it ever occurred to you that the reason people believe Yasuke was a Samurai is because that's how he has been introduced to the world, by the Japanese and throughout Japanese culture? Take that into consideration and think about it.
The idea, and the belief that Yasuke was a Samurai didn't pop out of thin air, nor was the idea conceptualized by Ubisoft, nor did it start with "Thomas Lockley".

Japanese culture has always postured that Yasuke was a Samurai, and has always introduced him to the world as a Japanese historical figure - that was a Samurai. You can find him being portrayed that way in media and literature, going back DECADES.

There's literally a Japanese historical drama, known as Gunshi Kanbei, where Japan-based mixed martial artist Bernard Ackah was cast in the role of Yasuke way back in 2014. Google Gunshi Kanbei, and then Google Bernard Ackah.

Do you think THAT MAN, was cast as Yasuke, in a Japanese HISTORICAL DRAMA, by accident? Or was his casting deliberate?

Now tell me again, where did the notion of Yasuke being a Samurai originate?


historic evidence suggest that he most likely was not a samurai because , he didnt had the title " samurai " , he didnt had a family name which he would need as a samurai ,

also no eye witnesses to document it he was one .

so take your radical left wing propaganda elsewhere
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how U could explain a mansion with a land estate that only nobles could own in medeival Japan?
Fubukio 1 ABR a las 6:28 
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When was Yu Hirayama "greatly humiliated" for stating that Yasuke was a Samurai? I can find no references to that ever happening, but his X account post explaining why Yasuke would have qualified as a Samurai is still standing.

One would think that someone of his academic standing, and in a culture that greatly abhors shame, would have deleted this if he had actually been "greatly humiliated", but here it stands.

https://x.com/HIRAYAMAYUUKAIN/status/1814356500326035650

I mean, he literally goes on to list bullet points one by one. Doesn't seem so "humiliated" to me.
You should check the comment section of his post, Japanese people ain't buying his nonsense and called out his blatant dodging of their direct questions.

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Secondly, has it ever occurred to you that the reason people believe Yasuke was a Samurai is because that's how he has been introduced to the world, by the Japanese and throughout Japanese culture? Take that into consideration and think about it.
The idea, and the belief that Yasuke was a Samurai didn't pop out of thin air, nor was the idea conceptualized by Ubisoft, nor did it start with "Thomas Lockley".

Japanese culture has always postured that Yasuke was a Samurai, and has always introduced him to the world as a Japanese historical figure - that was a Samurai. You can find him being portrayed that way in media and literature, going back DECADES.

There's literally a Japanese historical drama, known as Gunshi Kanbei, where Japan-based mixed martial artist Bernard Ackah was cast in the role of Yasuke way back in 2014. Google Gunshi Kanbei, and then Google Bernard Ackah.

Do you think THAT MAN, was cast as Yasuke, in a Japanese HISTORICAL DRAMA, by accident? Or was his casting deliberate?

Now tell me again, where did the notion of Yasuke being a Samurai originate?
Anastasia Romanov was introduced to the world as the sole survival of the her family's execution. There's even a featured animated film about it.

The earliest modern book I can find about Yasuke is a dramatized children's book "Kurosuke" (くろ助) by Yoshio Kurusu.

Both Anastasia's survival and Yasuke being a samurai are both fictional. Mere fantasies.
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There is no evidence that states Yasuke is a samurai,
how U could explain a mansion with a land estate that only nobles could own in medeival Japan?
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