did they fix the dubious historicity of Yasuke

[wolfwingtube]

I like diversity and all for it, but feels a bit rude to just stick a mostly fictional char in the game instead of another japanese. I get he's the main char, but we know if it's been downplayed or such?

Yes I know he's real, but the exploits the game is based upon were fictional.

[Rune]

Yasuke's historicity as a samurai is no longer in dispute. Both the person who wrote the book that elevated him to samurai-hood, Ubisoft, and other scholars and japanese historical university departments have said flat out he was not a samurai. The fact that Wikipedia still says he was a samurai, tells you what you need to know about wikipedia - it's not a reliable source. Never was.

[Jeffer'son Airship]

Originally posted by PSA:

but you want to make it even more unlikely by claiming it happened during a single combat event.

Nice fallacy.

I mean you've been arguing against a strawman the entire time. I'm merely pointing out why records can be sketchy, not trying to say he was factually a samurai.

He's a legendary figure, but mostly a mythical one. Not the first time Ubisoft has drawn from such things.

[LupisVolk]

Japan: [Depicts Yasuke as a samurai in many of it's media] "crickets"

Ubisoft: [Does the same] "Suddenly is now a problem"

[Jeffer'son Airship]

Originally posted by LupisVolk:

Japan: [Depicts Yasuke as a samurai in many of it's media] "crickets"

Ubisoft: [Does the same] "Suddenly is now a problem"

There's actually a big complex in a lot of the Asian countries about how they're depicted in "outsider" media.

Guild Wars 2: accidentally mixes bits of Japanese, Korean and Chinese architecture: huge outrage that causes them to axe that part of the game world or risk being banned in some of those regions

Final Fantasy XIV does the same? **Crickets when you'd think China and Korea would be even more offended**

(and I'm not defending GW2. I get the outrage. Just that it's never applied evenly as it should be.)

[LupisVolk]

Originally posted by PSA:

"Japan" has always depicted these with the caveat that they are high fiction.

So does Assassin Creed, it's only because there's a black man that suddenly the AC series is now historically accurate.

[Victoria Raverna]

Originally posted by PSA:

Originally posted by Jeffer'son Airship:

Nice fallacy.

I mean you've been arguing against a strawman the entire time. I'm merely pointing out why records can be sketchy, not trying to say he was factually a samurai.

Records on important things tend to be rather accurate. Proven by all the other foreign samurai being thoroughly documented.

If you want to claim somehow they skipped on recording the first foreign samurai ever, good luck explaining why...

The other foreign samurai was after Yasuke's era. And he also worked for the "winner".

Yasuke on the other hand worked for Nobunaga which was killed and not the winner of the conflict.

I'm not claiming Yasuke was a samurai. Just that there was a good reason why if he was a samurai, the documentation about it doesn't exist now. Nobunaga was killed then there was a chaos. The person that killed Nobunaga was also killed not long after. At time of chaos like that, it is logical that records can be lost.

[LupisVolk]

Originally posted by Jeffer'son Airship:

There's actually a big complex in a lot of the Asian countries about how they're depicted in "outsider" media.

Guild Wars 2: accidentally mixes bits of Japanese, Korean and Chinese architecture: huge outrage that causes them to axe that part of the game world or risk being banned in some of those regions

Final Fantasy XIV does the same? **Crickets when you'd think China and Korea would be even more offended**

(and I'm not defending GW2. I get the outrage. Just that it's never applied evenly as it should be.)

What GW2 did was a big fopa as both Korea and China have suffered from Japan's imperialism. Hell some of Japan's biggest shipgirl based gatcha games can't go international because SK got really mad the moment they heard of the game.

[Jeffer'son Airship]

Originally posted by LupisVolk:

What GW2 did was a big fopa as both Korea and China have suffered from Japan's imperialism. Hell some of Japan's biggest shipgirl based gatcha games can't go international because SK got really mad the moment they heard of the game.

Yeah. I'm just surprised that FF XIV did not receive a similar response.