I get the criticism, but why so much HATE?

[Dripping Weenus]

I’m seriously baffled by the backlash against Assassin's Creed Shadows! We’re talking about an incredible combat system that looks both thrilling and innovative, but some folks act like that doesn’t matter.

And a Japanese setting? That’s a breathtaking choice that adds so much depth to the series! Imagine the amount of cool skins and DLC we will be able to buy! Yet, instead of celebrating the rich cultural backdrop, all I see is criticism. It’s ridiculous!

Now, let's talk about our protagonists—a Black character and a woman. Why is it a problem to have diverse representation? This is about storytelling and broadening perspectives, which enriches the entire gaming experience! Nowdays embracing diversity is not just good, it’s essential, let’s not delude ourselves with regressive thinking!

It’s time to stop the hate and appreciate the progress in gaming! Assasin's Creed Shadows is shaping up to be a phenomenal installment, and we should support it rather than tear it down! This game deserves our exitement, not baseless attacks!

[Nyx]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Weltall8000:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nyx:

The others didn't have him as protagonist.

And?

Racists hate game with black protagonist.

[CzUSMC]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von a x o:

moving goalposts like crazy

How so? He said him being a retainer means he’s a samurai and I went and got the literal definition for a retainer in feudal Japan. Only ones trying to move the goal post is people like you cause you literally have NOTHING

Yasuke served Oda Nobunaga as water boy. Yasuke was not a Samurai, but a weapon bearer. I.e. he was allowed to wear a weapon, but he was not granted the status Samurai, nor was he a nobility (which requires Japanese blood). This is a common mistake. Yasuke was basically the water boy for the real Samurai Nobunaga. This Nobunaga was the actual guy in combat while Yasuke was carrying all his stuff around and giving him water when needed. Yasuke was at these battles because his boss fought there but he didn't actually fight anyone. Nobunaga did all the fighting NOT Yasuke.

[justdrop]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von justdrop:

JSTOR

If you knew what actual research was, you might know it. Settle for seething.

LOL so basically the equivalent of Wikipedia. Good job

That statement alone disqualifies you from ever suggesting you know anything again. Go ahead and Google it.

[admiral1018]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Thejthar:

So I guess we all agree that this game is a work of fiction and there is nothing wrong with having a story with Yasuke as a samurai in a fictional story. So what exactly is the problem with this game that the other games that had Yasuke as a samurai not a problem?

Ubisoft doesn't think Yasuke is a creation of fiction. They've very publicly defended him as a historical samurai and justified his existence in the game as such. In reality, the only source for him having that role is from a book written by a white British man, which has been roundly criticized by native Japanese scholars.

However, even if we go with him just being fiction, that gets to the question of why Ubisoft would deliberately choose to add a black character to feudal Japan. Japan was completely isolationist at that point in history, so deliberately injecting racial diversity when it didn't exist is obviously agenda driven.

[justdrop]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von admiral1018:

Disingenuous argument

Fact: Yasuke existed.
Fiction: Yasuke participated in assassinations in Japan.

Is it clearer now for you?

[Noneya]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von justdrop:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

LOL so basically the equivalent of Wikipedia. Good job

That statement alone disqualifies you from ever suggesting you know anything again. Go ahead and Google it.

One search of that site would tell you it essentially uses AI to scour the web for any kind of information it can to put on the website. If I made a webpage saying yasuke was the inspiration for barnie it would end up on there. Keep trying though bud you’ll get to the finish line eventually.

[justdrop]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von justdrop:

That statement alone disqualifies you from ever suggesting you know anything again. Go ahead and Google it.

Drivel

JSTOR is an accredited collection of newspapers, articles and journals to include scientific and medical. Had you attended any form of secondary education, you may have been fortunate enough to access it, but I can tell from your dropout mindset you didn't.

[Thejthar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von admiral1018:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Thejthar:

So I guess we all agree that this game is a work of fiction and there is nothing wrong with having a story with Yasuke as a samurai in a fictional story. So what exactly is the problem with this game that the other games that had Yasuke as a samurai not a problem?

Ubisoft doesn't think Yasuke is a creation of fiction. They've very publicly defended him as a historical samurai and justified his existence in the game as such. In reality, the only source for him having that role is from a book written by a white British man, which has been roundly criticized by native Japanese scholars.

However, even if we go with him just being fiction, that gets to the question of why Ubisoft would deliberately choose to add a black character to feudal Japan. Japan was completely isolationist at that point in history, so deliberately injecting racial diversity when it didn't exist is obviously agenda driven.

But we know Yasuke did exist and was in Japan during the time period this game takes place in. Sure we don't completely know what he did while he was there so Ubisoft can make a fictional story based on him as a Samurai.

Trying to find the "deliberately injecting racial diversity" here as I don't see it. I don't see any proof for it. Was he put in the other games for the same reason? Still trying to understand if it was not a problem to have him as a samurai in the other games I listed then why is it a problem now?

[Noneya]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von justdrop:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

Drivel

JSTOR is an accredited collection of newspapers, articles and journals to include scientific and medical. Had you attended any form of secondary education, you may have been fortunate enough to access it, but I can tell from your dropout mindset you didn't.

I didn’t realize anything we were talking about had anything to do with “scientific and medical” research. You’re smart.

[justdrop]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von justdrop:

JSTOR is an accredited collection of newspapers, articles and journals to include scientific and medical. Had you attended any form of secondary education, you may have been fortunate enough to access it, but I can tell from your dropout mindset you didn't.

I didn’t realize anything we were talking about had anything to do with “scientific and medical” research. You’re smart.

You claimed it used AI to gather information. You have zero idea about anything. Go back to the drive-thru.

[Noneya]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von justdrop:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

I didn’t realize anything we were talking about had anything to do with “scientific and medical” research. You’re smart.

You claimed it used AI to gather information. You have zero idea about anything. Go back to the drive-thru.

It does lmao keep using your site that as you already said prioritizes scientific and medical research for your history lessons. I’m sure it’ll get you far.

[justdrop]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Noneya:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von justdrop:

You claimed it used AI to gather information. You have zero idea about anything. Go back to the drive-thru.

Drivel

I said make my food.

[admiral1018]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Thejthar:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von admiral1018:

Ubisoft doesn't think Yasuke is a creation of fiction. They've very publicly defended him as a historical samurai and justified his existence in the game as such. In reality, the only source for him having that role is from a book written by a white British man, which has been roundly criticized by native Japanese scholars.

However, even if we go with him just being fiction, that gets to the question of why Ubisoft would deliberately choose to add a black character to feudal Japan. Japan was completely isolationist at that point in history, so deliberately injecting racial diversity when it didn't exist is obviously agenda driven.

But we know Yasuke did exist and was in Japan during the time period this game takes place in. Sure we don't completely know what he did while he was there so Ubisoft can make a fictional story based on him as a Samurai.

Trying to find the "deliberately injecting racial diversity" here as I don't see it. I don't see any proof for it. Was he put in the other games for the same reason? Still trying to understand if it was not a problem to have him as a samurai in the other games I listed then why is it a problem now?

We know he existed, but he was most likely a servant. Nobunaga treated him like a pet, taking him around to show off his black skin because Japanese people had never seen that before. There is no evidence he was ever in combat, and he was most certainly not a samurai.

Again, Japan was in an isolationist period during the time of this game, and they explicitly forbid entrance by any foreigners. There is no way they would have allowed an African to freely walk around like we see in this game. Everything pertaining to that is pure fantasy. So when we have numerous stories of actual Japanese samurais from that period that could have served as the basis for a protagonist, why would Ubisoft deliberately a choose a black one and exaggerate his role? Don't have to look hard to find the injection.

[justdrop]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von admiral1018:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Thejthar:

But we know Yasuke did exist and was in Japan during the time period this game takes place in. Sure we don't completely know what he did while he was there so Ubisoft can make a fictional story based on him as a Samurai.

Trying to find the "deliberately injecting racial diversity" here as I don't see it. I don't see any proof for it. Was he put in the other games for the same reason? Still trying to understand if it was not a problem to have him as a samurai in the other games I listed then why is it a problem now?

I will attempt to move the goalposts.

You're already proven to be lying, go away.

[Thejthar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von admiral1018:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Thejthar:

But we know Yasuke did exist and was in Japan during the time period this game takes place in. Sure we don't completely know what he did while he was there so Ubisoft can make a fictional story based on him as a Samurai.

Trying to find the "deliberately injecting racial diversity" here as I don't see it. I don't see any proof for it. Was he put in the other games for the same reason? Still trying to understand if it was not a problem to have him as a samurai in the other games I listed then why is it a problem now?

We know he existed, but he was most likely a servant. Nobunaga treated him like a pet, taking him around to show off his black skin because Japanese people had never seen that before. There is no evidence he was ever in combat, and he was most certainly not a samurai.

Again, Japan was in an isolationist period during the time of this game, and they explicitly forbid entrance by any foreigners. There is no way they would have allowed an African to freely walk around like we see in this game. Everyone pertaining to that is pure fantasy. So when we have numerous stories of actual samurais from that period that could have served as the basis for a protagonist, why would Ubisoft deliberately a choose a black one and exaggerate his role? Don't have to look hard to find the injection.

So was he injected in the other games that portrayed Yasuke as a samurai or is that a Ubisoft only thing? Still trying to find the injection or proof that is the only reason why they choose to put Yasuke in the game like that.