Question about order of assassin lore for AC nerds

[superlloyd]

Well... the thin and alleged continuity in the serie is some behind the scene battle between "assassin" and "templar" which have no particular goal beyond being game's sworn enemies as far as I understand....

Now I just get the quest to learn the "secret of the blade", I hope there is some Isu stuff. Love the Isu stuff.

At any rate I am trying to remember how it all started. Kassandra (from AC Odyssey) was the first Assassin. But I can't even remember what she was fighting for? Is she the reincarnation of an Isu leader? Are the templar as well? Any AC lore to share from knowledgeable AC nerd with better memory than I?!
Just had a reminiscence. There was a vision. It was an AI leading her to uncover some sort of treasure. We learn in Valhalla it was in fact an evil AI?
All so confusing...

[Moka]

Bayek and Aya(AC origin) is the first true assassin. They made the hidden one(old name before assassin brotherhood).

The "vision" you mention is actually Basim, not an AI. which somehow he can access internet while being impaled for thousand years inside cave.

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by Moka:

Bayek and Aya(AC origin) is the first true assassin. They made the hidden one(old name before assassin brotherhood).

The "vision" you mention is actually Basim, not an AI. which somehow he can access internet while being impaled for thousand years inside cave.

I had a good laugh reading that! Isu internet is so ahead of its time! ^_^

But isn't Kassandra the first assassin inside the AC world, chronologically?
Even if Odyssey came after Origin?

[Darkrayne]

This is all spoilery for previous games, not Shadows...

It wasn't Basim (who is the reincarnation of the Isu called Loki) that was sending messages to The Eagle Bearer, it was messages laid out by Loki's wife (or "lover"), presented as Aletheia. However, Basim was somehow sending messages to "Layla" in the modern day whilst being stuck in Ygdrasill (an Isu device).

Everything started as a way to get the Staff of Eden in the hands of Layla in the modern day so that she can take the staff to Ygdrasill so that Basim/Loki can be brought back to life, again... and he is now the last person we saw operating the animus since Layla is now stuck in Ygdrasill with Desmond trying to figure out how to stop the solar flare (Ragnarok) from happening again. We also don't know if Basim/Loki is going to turnout being a villain or a hero in the long run and they seem to have put that arc on hold for now in Shadows.

Basically, everything from Origins to Valhalla was for the sole purpose of bringing Loki back in the modern day. It was all Isu manipulation.

There's a good summary here about the events of Valhalla and some of the comments there are useful too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/k4h16u/assassins_creed_valhalla_every_ending_explained/

The narrative director for Valhalla also gave it his approval in the comments section.

Also, Odyssey is set about 500 years before Origins, chronologically. The Creed hadn't been formed until the end of Origins. The Eagle Bearer wasn't technically an assassin in terms of the "Creed" and it's confirmed in the Valhalla crossover that, even though they eventually get a hidden blade 'after' Odyssey, they never officially joined the hidden ones despite living for well over a thousand years due to having the Staff of Eden.

Hopefully, AC: Hexe is going to continue the events that happened at the end of Valhalla. It has the same narrative director as Valhalla so it might.

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by Darkrayne:

This is all spoilery for previous games, not Shadows...

It wasn't Basim (who is the reincarnation of the Isu called Loki), it was messages laid out by Loki's wife. Everything started as a way to get the Staff of Eden in the hands of Layla in the modern day so that she can take the staff to Ygdrasill (an Isu device) so that Basim/Loki can be brought back to life, again... and he is now the last person we saw operating the animus since Layla is now stuck in Ygdrasill with Desmond. We also don't know if Basim/Loki is going to turnout being a villain or a hero in the long run and they seem have put that arc on hold for now in Shadows.

Basically, everything from Origins to Valhalla was for the sole purpose of bringing Loki back in the modern day.

There's a good summary here about the events of Valhalla and some of the comments there are useful too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/k4h16u/assassins_creed_valhalla_every_ending_explained/

The narrative director for Valhalla also gave it his approval in the comments section.

Also, Odyssey is set about 500 years before Origins, chronologically. The Creed hadn't been formed until the end of Origins. The Eagle Bearer wasn't technically an assassin in terms of the "Creed" and it's confirmed in the Valhalla crossover that, even though they eventually get a hidden blade 'after' Odyssey, they never officially joined the hidden ones despite living for well over a thousand years due to having the Staff of Eden.

Hopefully, AC: Hexe is going to continue the events that happened at the end of Valhalla. It has the same narrative director as Valhalla so it might.

What I don't like with the modern day game is that it is sort of going nowehere.
Nonentheless the underlying Isu story is still exciting! They should just make it less cliffhangery.... And just plain cut modern day gameplay. Adds no value.

Anyway thanks for all that info! <3

[Darkrayne]

Originally posted by superlloyd:

What I don't like with the modern day game is that it is sort of going nowehere.
Nonentheless the underlying Isu story is still exciting! They should just make it less cliffhangery.... And just plain cut modern day gameplay. Adds no value.

Anyway thanks for all that info! <3

They also make it very hard to follow for people that are more casual with the series.. which doesn't do it any favours. Many just ignore the Isu story because it's so fragmented and never understand any of it. It's a shame because, really, it's THE story for Assassin's Creed and it's quite brilliantly conceptualised. Amazing writing but terrible presentation.

If they plan to keep it going they really should release some kind of lore/explanation video series or something to get people up to speed, especially people that started later and haven't played the earlier titles.

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by Darkrayne:

Originally posted by superlloyd:

What I don't like with the modern day game is that it is sort of going nowehere.
Nonentheless the underlying Isu story is still exciting! They should just make it less cliffhangery.... And just plain cut modern day gameplay. Adds no value.

Anyway thanks for all that info! <3

They also make it very hard to follow for people that are more casual with the series.. which doesn't do it any favours. Many just ignore the Isu story because it's so fragmented and never understand any of it. It's a shame because, really, it's THE story for Assassin's Creed.

If they plan to keep it going they really should release some kind of lore/explanation video series or something to get people up to speed, especially people that started later and haven't played the earlier titles.

MM...... yeah, good point. There is something to it. But it's not handled well.

[justdrop]

Unfortunately for me they've distanced themselves from the meta story since as Darkrayne said people find it difficult to follow if they haven't kept up with the series.

[fheadx]

do as thou wilt, nothing is true. when can murder outlandish npcs as aleister crowley?

[JKDos]

Originally posted by Darkrayne:

They also make it very hard to follow for people that are more casual with the series

They probably do it on purpose, so fans can follow the arcing story, while new players and casual gamers can just experience the animus story.

[Darkrayne]

Originally posted by superlloyd:

But I can't even remember what [Kassandra] was fighting for? Is she the reincarnation of an Isu leader?

Forgot to answer this...

Previous games spoilers, not spoilers for AC: Shadows.

The Eagle Bearer is an Isu descendant, not a reincarnation. So, part-Isu. Pythagoras was their father, another Isu descendant. The bloodline went back to Hermes Trismegistus, a pure-blood Isu, who survived Ragnarok and was able to have children with a human (or multiple humans) because they had created the Staff of Eden, granting them immortality. Hermes eventually gave the staff to Pythagoras, so Pythagoras became immortal, and Pythagoras eventually gives the staff to his later estranged child during Odyssey, The Eagle Bearer.

Because of the Isu's premonition tech, the whole thing started with The Eagle Bearer because Loki's wife (or "lover"), Aletheia, set up ways to get them involved, they knew they were descended from Hermes, and we later learned that it was all about trying to get the Staff of Eden to Layla in the modern day. The Cult of Kosmos somehow gained knowledge of the Isu bloodline so they were trying to wipe it out and attempted to kill The Eagle Bearer when they were a child at the start of the game. It's not clear how the Cult of Kosmos gained all their knowledge because whoever "Kosmos" is isn't confirmed but likely another Isu interfering or Aletheia being tricky. The Eagle Bearer wanted revenge and everything was set in motion.

Layla was able to find the The Eagle Bearer in the modern day, to acquire the staff, because someone was sending anonymous messages and clues to Layla, guiding her to the staff using the animus and, eventually, to them at the Ygdrasill device. We later learned, in Valhalla, that "someone" was Basim, a human reincarnation of Loki that was trapped in the Ygdrasill device at the end of the animus story in Valhalla.

[superlloyd]

Originally posted by Darkrayne:

Originally posted by superlloyd:

But I can't even remember what [Kassandra] was fighting for? Is she the reincarnation of an Isu leader?

Forgot to answer this...

Previous games spoilers, not spoilers for AC: Shadows.

The Eagle Bearer is an Isu descendant, not a reincarnation. So, part-Isu. Pythagoras was their father, another Isu descendant. The bloodline went back to Hermes Trismegistus, a pure-blood Isu, who survived Ragnarok and was able to have children with a human (or multiple humans) because they had created the Staff of Eden, granting them immortality. Hermes eventually gave the staff to Pythagoras, so Pythagoras became immortal, and Pythagoras eventually gives the staff to his later estranged child during Odyssey, The Eagle Bearer.

Because of the Isu's premonition tech, the whole thing started with The Eagle Bearer because Loki's wife (or "lover"), Aletheia, set up ways to get them involved, they knew they were descended from Hermes, and we later learned that it was all about trying to get the Staff of Eden to Layla in the modern day. The Cult of Kosmos somehow gained some knowledge of the Isu bloodline so they were trying to wipe it out and attempted to kill The Eagle Bearer when they were a child at the start of the game. It's not clear how the Cult of Kosmos gained all their knowledge because whoever "Kosmos" is isn't confirmed but likely another Isu interfering or Aletheia being tricky. The Eagle Bearer wanted revenge and everything was set in motion.

Layla was able to find the The Eagle Bearer in the modern day, to acquire the staff, because someone was sending anonymous messages and clues to Layla, guiding her to the staff using the animus and, eventually, to them at the Ygdrasill device. We later learned, in Valhalla, that "someone" was Basim, a human reincarnation of Loki who also survived Ragnarok by uploading his consciousness to Ygdrasill.

Quite simple, when you think of it!
Mwahahaha!
Ha, thanks for the refresher! :)

Just got the Ezio iconic outfit! :D
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3451817466

And from the tomb I found it, there were other artefacts. Which led me to believe there will be no Isu manifestation in Japan. :(
One hope they will perhaps be back in a DLC then?

[Darkrayne]

Originally posted by superlloyd:

Quite simple, when you think of it!
Mwahahaha!
Ha, thanks for the refresher! :)

Just got the Ezio iconic outfit! :D
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3451817466

And from the tomb I found it, there were other artefacts. Which led me to believe there will be no Isu manifestation in Japan. :(
One hope they will perhaps be back in a DLC then?

I'd be surprised if there wasn't some DLC that finds ways to cleverly attach Japanese mythology to the Isu somehow. It gives them an excuse to do more fantasy style things.