A newcomer to the Modern Age AC titles.

[8ightybytes]

For some before hand context, I haven't played a AC game since 3, I also got this game for free with my GPU when I bought my 4070 back in Q3 2024.

I wanted to try a newer AC game as like I stated above I haven't really tried one since AC3, however I get the idea and execution of this game and can understand why people like it, but the simple fact it has the Assassin's Creed IP attached to it puts it underneath scrutiny in my opinion. The old school AC games we're great, Brotherhood was peak. Revelations was the beginning of the downward spiral.

If the games after the transition to RPG machanics were under a new IP and given the proper space to breathe, I imagine Ubisoft wouldn't have to squeeze the life out of the (AC) franchise like they currently do and it'd probably stand as tall as it's own IP much of the likes of, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Ghost of Tsushima, but they wouldn't have to add battle passes and all of this extra bloat to a game that already had a very refined game play formula for many entries into a series. This is the reason why many gamers feel that this is the death of a franchise, when it loses all identity of what made it original in the first place.


(I love having to min-max a build to make an assassination based build in my assassin's creed game.)

Edit:
(After talking with some of you, I'm clearly not the target audience for this game, I just wanted to have a discussion about my thoughts on it and the series as a whole.)

Edit 2:
(I have refreshed this forum as I have a different opinion on the game than when I originally posted.

[JKDos]

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

For some before hand context, I haven't played a AC game since 3,

/Thread.

Your argument is null and invalid. Go play Origins, Odyssey, Valhalla, and Mirage, then come back.

[8ightybytes]

Originally posted by JKDos:

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

For some before hand context, I haven't played a AC game since 3,

/Thread.

Your argument is null and invalid. Go play Origins, Odyssey, Valhalla, and Mirage, then come back.

"If the games after the transition to RPG machanics were under a new IP and given the proper space to breathe, I imagine Ubisoft wouldn't have to squeeze the life out of the (AC) franchise like they currently do. "

Go read the full post before commenting.

[JKDos]

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

Go read the full post before commenting.

Origins paved way for the franchise going forward. You should have made your argument in 2017.

[8ightybytes]

Originally posted by JKDos:

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

Go read the full post before commenting.

Origins paved way for the franchise going forward. You should have made your argument in 2017.

So you're saying just because I didn't say anything in 2017 means I can't say anything now is the most insane take I've ever heard period. You are the reason the current gaming sphere is at a stalemate, because you'll settle for the bare minimum, while being shafted by publishers. Literally taking it in the ass with a smile is crazy.

[Raider Deci]

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

For some before hand context, I haven't played a AC game since 3, I also got this game for free with my GPU when I bought my 4070 back in Q3 2024.

This game is nothing what the original AC series was once was.

In a some ways I agree, however....
Played more games would definetly had given you more context and understood that problem with the series is not on a mechanical level. Its the writing. And it began a very long time ago. You might even blame AC2 on that for being the first that threw out the creed-stuff from the first in favor of a more classical but flexible revenge-plot.

When it comes to stealth, because AC is supposedly a stealth-series, I use way more gadgets and strategize much more with different approaches in the new games than I ever did in the old.

[8ightybytes]

Originally posted by Raider Deci:

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

For some before hand context, I haven't played a AC game since 3, I also got this game for free with my GPU when I bought my 4070 back in Q3 2024.

This game is nothing what the original AC series was once was.

In a some ways I agree, however....
Played more games would definetly had given you more context and understood that problem with the series is not on a mechanical level. Its the writing. And it began a very long time ago.

When it comes to stealth, because AC is supposedly a stealth-series, I use way more gadgets and strategize much more with different approaches in the new games than I ever did in the old.

I'm actually glad you brought the writing up, as that was something that stood out to me immediately while playing Shadows, the characters don't seem like they are actually interacting with one another, I went back and I played a bit of AC2 and the dialog seemed so much more natural, which I don't understand from development stand point. The VA's sounded like robots more than actors, my roommate and I we're literally laughing out loud when Naoe would speak because she would have the most nonchalant voice while seeing her "lover" bleeding out in front of her. The games tone is a roller coaster.

Yes, I agree you get more tools, but with the ingame battle pass and other shenanigans I couldn't take the tools seriously espesially when I could just cheese AI in the the knee high grass. The AI was never hard enough for me to fully take it seriously. I'd always clown on them in some manner to make a fool of the game. Which on some part is on me for breaking the game, but on the other end I shouldn't be able to just break the game on a whim every fight if I felt like it.

[Shield]

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

Originally posted by JKDos:

Origins paved way for the franchise going forward. You should have made your argument in 2017.

So you're saying just because I didn't say anything in 2017 means I can't say anything now is the most insane take I've ever heard period. You are the reason the current gaming sphere is at a stalemate, because you'll settle for the bare minimum, while being shafted by publishers. Literally taking it in the ass with a smile is crazy.

It means the ship has sailed and you're tardy by a decade to the party. Odyssey on PC alone outsold the entire Ezio trilogy combined, so Ubi has no real reason to go back.

They did though and made Mirage, a love letter to AC1. It's actually pretty good, in my humble opinion. Have you looked at that?

As well, the open world RPG games' stealth becomes very similar to the original trilogy if you enable 1 shot assassinations. I

[The Former]

I agree with the premise of the OP in general. AC as a franchise is barely AC anymore. It's kind of morphed into an action RPG with stealth leanings. May or may not have been better to make it a franchise of its own. Even if they wanted to continue the overarching story, they could have done this. It's clear from various Easter Eggs that the Watch Dogs games take place in the same universe. Why not a new ARPG franchise?

[8ightybytes]

Originally posted by The Former:

I agree with the premise of the OP in general. AC as a franchise is barely AC anymore. It's kind of morphed into an action RPG with stealth leanings. May or may not have been better to make it a franchise of its own. Even if they wanted to continue the overarching story, they could have done this. It's clear from various Easter Eggs that the Watch Dogs games take place in the same universe. Why not a new ARPG franchise?

This is what I'm talking about, I'm not condemning these games for existing but for them to take on the AC name is disingenuous to me. IMO it should be it's own series that should stand on it's own merits. Which it obviously can as there is CLEARLY a market for it.

[8ightybytes]

Originally posted by Shield:

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

So you're saying just because I didn't say anything in 2017 means I can't say anything now is the most insane take I've ever heard period. You are the reason the current gaming sphere is at a stalemate, because you'll settle for the bare minimum, while being shafted by publishers. Literally taking it in the ass with a smile is crazy.

It means the ship has sailed and you're tardy by a decade to the party. Odyssey on PC alone outsold the entire Ezio trilogy combined, so Ubi has no real reason to go back.

They did though and made Mirage, a love letter to AC1. It's actually pretty good, in my humble opinion. Have you looked at that?

As well, the open world RPG games' stealth becomes very similar to the original trilogy if you enable 1 shot assassinations. I

I still don't understand how this means that the current state of AC is acceptable, just because "that's the status quo". It just means your complacent with the current state of things which I simply don't agree with. I get the RPG formula that they found worked for them for them in the 2010's but look at Ubisoft now. On the brink of being bought out by Tencent. :/

[8ightybytes]

These companies pumping out the same regurgitated slop year after year and expecting new gross sales like COD are coping hard, even COD isn't making back sales like it used to. This whole dynamic is falling apart in real time right in their faces and they won't even look in the direction of the disaster because that would have acknowledge some fault at hand. Most Triple A games are not made for players but for investors.

[Shield]

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

Originally posted by Shield:

It means the ship has sailed and you're tardy by a decade to the party. Odyssey on PC alone outsold the entire Ezio trilogy combined, so Ubi has no real reason to go back.

They did though and made Mirage, a love letter to AC1. It's actually pretty good, in my humble opinion. Have you looked at that?

As well, the open world RPG games' stealth becomes very similar to the original trilogy if you enable 1 shot assassinations. I

I still don't understand how this means that the current state of AC is acceptable, just because "that's the status quo". It just means your complacent with the current state of things which I simply don't agree with. I get the RPG formula that they found worked for them for them in the 2010's but look at Ubisoft now. On the brink of being bought out by Tencent. :/

Because they're fun. It's literally that. I'm not complacent, I genuinely prefer them.

I was as blindsided as you when they changed it in Origins, but they're fun once you wrap your head around it.

Like, Odyssey is a classic and as highly thought of as the best of the earliest ACs. If you liked Black Flag like most people did, you have to try Odyssey; the naval combat is great, and the RPG system enables you to put like, new cannons or new sails or whatever it may be on the Adrestia.

I'm, like you, also someone who thinks it's stupid you assassinate better because you're wearing this hat instead of that hat. Sp again I'd like to recommend to you turning on 1 hit assassinations in Shadows and all the RPG ACs because you get the best parts of the RPG - buffs, debuffs, and light buildcraft - and it no longer interferes with the stealth.

And if nothing else, really, peep Mirage. It's 'free' if you're playing Shadows through + and it's the original experience with a modern coat of paint. IMO also a pretty good story.

The only thing you can't get back is Desmond, but you played through 3, so you probably know that.

[Budoshi]

RPG aside this game is more 'assassin' creed than assassin creed combined ever , in that way it has more identity and it how it should have been for the get go , if you play as Naoe that is .
if anything this game is more stealth then anything ever in the series, remember when you could only walk and run ? walking in day light dressing in full white ? no night nothing ?then came only crouching and thats it ? and again daylight dressing in white or some bizarre clothing that looked like ..♥♥♥♥♥ ? now you can go prone, breath underwater, hide in some objects, hide in the ceilings,, this game is more ninja and assassin then ever before , plays like tenchu in a way and i like it for it.

[8ightybytes]

Originally posted by Shield:

Originally posted by 8ightybytes:

I still don't understand how this means that the current state of AC is acceptable, just because "that's the status quo". It just means your complacent with the current state of things which I simply don't agree with. I get the RPG formula that they found worked for them for them in the 2010's but look at Ubisoft now. On the brink of being bought out by Tencent. :/

Because they're fun. It's literally that. I'm not complacent, I genuinely prefer them.

I was as blindsided as you when they changed it in Origins, but they're fun once you wrap your head around it.

Like, Odyssey is a classic and as highly thought of as the best of the earliest ACs. If you liked Black Flag like most people did, you have to try Odyssey; the naval combat is great, and the RPG system enables you to put like, new cannons or new sails or whatever it may be on the Adrestia.

I'm, like you, also someone who thinks it's stupid you assassinate better because you're wearing this hat instead of that hat. Sp again I'd like to recommend to you turning on 1 hit assassinations in Shadows and all the RPG ACs because you get the best parts of the RPG - buffs, debuffs, and light buildcraft - and it no longer interferes with the stealth.

And if nothing else, really, peep Mirage. It's 'free' if you're playing Shadows through + and it's the original experience with a modern coat of paint. IMO also a pretty good story.

The only thing you can't get back is Desmond, but you played through 3, so you probably know that.

I never played Black Flag, I have always heard that it was really good, sorry for saying you were complacent, I didn't mean that directly at you even though I spoke it as so. I just think a general audience is complacent. I don't like the RPG elements at all, that's never was why I played them. If I wanted an RPG I'd just play Skyrim, Mass Effect, Neverwinter Nights, Ect.

AC was the series that was like Splinter Cell but set in Old History for me. Something where you played the game like a ghost. That's what always interested me in the orignal series.

[8ightybytes]

Originally posted by Budoshi:

RPG aside this game is more 'assassin' creed than assassin creed combined ever , in that way it has more identity and it how it should have been for the get go , if you play as Naome that is .
if anything this game is more stealth then anything ever in the series, remember when you could only walk and run ? walking in day light dressing in full white ? no night nothing ?then came only crouching and thats it ? and again daylight dressing in white or some bizarre clothing that looked like ..♥♥♥♥♥ ? now you can go prone, breath underwater, hide in some objects, hide in the ceilings,, this game is more ninja and assassin then ever before , plays like tenchu in a way and i like it for it.

Who cares what I can wear when I can cheese literally every stealth encounter by just laying prone because the enemy literally cannot hit you on the ground because the AI is so bad that they can't look down to hit you. This is why I don't like the game.