As an Asian guy

[Def]

This game has got to be the most vitriolic insult I've ever seen to any culture of any country. I just saw the final bosses on youtube. They made the legendary Hattori Hanzo a whipped cuck loser and played random African tribal chants while Yasuke was fighting the Portuguese guy. Is Ubisoft serious?

[MythicRocfordson]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KSExpert Hunter:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

If you actually answer the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ question, then it isn't mocking

Just saying

I been mistreated and was seen as nothing more than a plague that was being ignored, stepped on and spit on literally and figuratively. And so what? Slop is slop. Truth is truth. There are all the evidences that point in the right direction. I know what I saw and that's it.

It pay to use the brains rather than your emotions ;D

what? I was talking to the other guy lmao

and my point was that I don't comprehend treating you as if you're beholden to supposed disrespect from a videogame for having some inaccurate trees, some inaccurate characters and a gay black samurai

♥♥♥♥ off man y'all can't be playing this card lmao

[Mr Darkness]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kerpal:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

Maybe the problem is Japanese people overvalue their value and worth to the world

The question is why has the Japanese history been dragged through the mud with this game compared to previous Assassin's Creed titles? So, should the Japanese just accept this embargo? Just imagine if Ubisoft makes an Assassin's Creed game in Africa and the main character is a white, strong, 2-meter-tall man who beat up blacks and cut their heads off, also from black womens in the game. What would happen then, worldwide hmm? lol, Clown!

re5 did that, little to no outrage, because people only care if its japan

[MythicRocfordson]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kerpal:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

Maybe the problem is Japanese people overvalue their value and worth to the world

The question is why has the Japanese history been dragged through the mud with this game compared to previous Assassin's Creed titles? So, should the Japanese just accept this embargo? Just imagine if Ubisoft makes an Assassin's Creed game in Africa and the main character is a white, strong, 2-meter-tall man who beat up blacks and cut their heads off, also from black womens in the game. What would happen then, worldwide hmm? lol, Clown!

Again, if *THIS* is what it takes to drag you people through the mud, you need to toughen the ♥♥♥♥ up because this is absolutely pathetic LMFAO

[longjohn119]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von allknowingeel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DVerde:

Man, where were all the outrageed people when Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla came out? They totally ruined Greece, man, by filling it with horny dudes, and a *woman*. Man, I bet the real Greece was outraged at such *liberties* in fictional writing. :rollseyes: Bayek even even desecrated the Great Pyramids, such real life culture shock!

No one’s saying Assassin’s Creed can’t take creative liberties. The issue here is that Ubisoft didn’t just exaggerate or stylize history like in Origins or Odyssey — they completely rewrote real people, especially someone like Lady Oichi, into something opposite of what they stood for.

That’s not the same as turning a historical setting into an action playground — that’s character assassination of real people whose legacies are still respected and honored, especially in Japan.

And here’s the difference:
🟢 Bayek didn’t defile the Egyptian gods or rewrite real Egyptian figures into clowns.
🟢 Kassandra didn’t rewrite Aspasia into an unfaithful parody.
🔴 Oichi, a respected symbol of loyalty and duty, is rewritten into someone unfaithful for a romance plot.
🔴 Hattori Hanzo, one of Japan’s most legendary figures, is turned into a weak background joke.

That’s why Japanese fans — and even politicians — are speaking out. It’s not the setting that’s offensive, it’s the disrespect toward actual historical people.

And when the people from that culture are telling you it's too far? That’s your cue to listen — not roll your eyes and act like it’s the same as having a few too many shirtless Spartans.

In Origins they made Cleopatra look like a slut. In Odyssey they made Alkibiades look like a man slut and a drunk. Socrates as an annoying old man who wouldn't wear sandals, Kleon into a Trump clone (I'l make Athens great again, called him a dotard and Orange Ape) ......

[allknowingeel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von allknowingeel:

You weren’t answering a question in good faith — you were mocking people for caring about how their culture is represented, and you used mass death to do it. That’s not curiosity. That’s cruelty.

Don’t try to rewrite your tone now that you’re being called out. If it really was a question, you would’ve framed it with respect, not as a jab. You weren’t inviting dialogue — you were belittling people’s pain.

Saying “if you answer it, it’s not mocking” is like insulting someone and then acting like it’s their fault for being offended. That’s not how empathy or accountability works.

idk I've seen a pretty distinct regard for cultures around the world.

I'm just not gathering why I'm supposed to care here. No one implicitly ♥♥♥♥ talked or depicted anyone in an ethically nefarious light, no one declared war, and no one aspired to say Japan isn't worth ♥♥♥♥.

You're blowing a lot of hot air right about now

You keep saying you don’t see why you should care — and that’s fine. You don’t have to care.

But what you don’t get to do is belittle actual Asian people for caring about how their own culture is portrayed.

Japanese politicians, cultural commentators, and citizens have spoken out about this game being insulting. That’s not ‘hot air’ — that’s a real cultural response.

And yes, the game absolutely depicts morally loaded and offensive actions:

Lady Oichi is turned from a symbol of loyalty into a cheating lover.

Yasuke shoots arrows into a shrine — a sacred place — with no justification.

Priests are killed despite having done nothing wrong, violating samurai ethics.

None of that is culturally neutral. You may not feel offended, but dismissing and mocking those who do — especially from the culture being misrepresented — isn’t insight. It’s apathy dressed up as cynicism.

[Zarok]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr Darkness:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kerpal:

The question is why has the Japanese history been dragged through the mud with this game compared to previous Assassin's Creed titles? So, should the Japanese just accept this embargo? Just imagine if Ubisoft makes an Assassin's Creed game in Africa and the main character is a white, strong, 2-meter-tall man who beat up blacks and cut their heads off, also from black womens in the game. What would happen then, worldwide hmm? lol, Clown!

re5 did that, little to no outrage, because people only care if its japan

Oh yeah, Resident Evil 5 did have a white guy killing black people and no one batted an eye.

[Mr Darkness]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von allknowingeel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

idk I've seen a pretty distinct regard for cultures around the world.

I'm just not gathering why I'm supposed to care here. No one implicitly ♥♥♥♥ talked or depicted anyone in an ethically nefarious light, no one declared war, and no one aspired to say Japan isn't worth ♥♥♥♥.

You're blowing a lot of hot air right about now

You keep saying you don’t see why you should care — and that’s fine. You don’t have to care.

But what you don’t get to do is belittle actual Asian people for caring about how their own culture is portrayed.

Japanese politicians, cultural commentators, and citizens have spoken out about this game being insulting. That’s not ‘hot air’ — that’s a real cultural response.

And yes, the game absolutely depicts morally loaded and offensive actions:

Lady Oichi is turned from a symbol of loyalty into a cheating lover.

Yasuke shoots arrows into a shrine — a sacred place — with no justification.

Priests are killed despite having done nothing wrong, violating samurai ethics.

None of that is culturally neutral. You may not feel offended, but dismissing and mocking those who do — especially from the culture being misrepresented — isn’t insight. It’s apathy dressed up as cynicism.

priests were butchered dozens of times in japanese history, dozens of shrines were burnt down. this is nothing to be upset over

[Kerpal]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kerpal:

The question is why has the Japanese history been dragged through the mud with this game compared to previous Assassin's Creed titles? So, should the Japanese just accept this embargo? Just imagine if Ubisoft makes an Assassin's Creed game in Africa and the main character is a white, strong, 2-meter-tall man who beat up blacks and cut their heads off, also from black womens in the game. What would happen then, worldwide hmm? lol, Clown!

Again, if *THIS* is what it takes to drag you people through the mud, you need to toughen the ♥♥♥♥ up because this is absolutely pathetic LMFAO

Nope, you just accept it how Ubisoft did it with this Japanese setting right now. But you wouldn´t accept it if the setting was in Africa with a big white guy who is punishing the blacks. Then you would scream around the world all day long!

[DVerde]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zarok:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mr Darkness:

re5 did that, little to no outrage, because people only care if its japan

Oh yeah, Resident Evil 5 did have a white guy killing black people and no one batted an eye.

Chris Punched rocks, and nobody batted an eye...

Heh...

[BigEazy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kerpal:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

Again, if *THIS* is what it takes to drag you people through the mud, you need to toughen the ♥♥♥♥ up because this is absolutely pathetic LMFAO

Nope, you just accept it how Ubisoft did it with this Japanese setting right now. But you wouldn´t accept it if the setting was in Africa with a big white guy who is punishing the blacks. Then you would scream around the world all day long!

Um no I highly doubt anyone would really care.

[Mr Darkness]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kerpal:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

Again, if *THIS* is what it takes to drag you people through the mud, you need to toughen the ♥♥♥♥ up because this is absolutely pathetic LMFAO

Nope, you just accept it how Ubisoft did it with this Japanese setting right now. But you wouldn´t accept it if the setting was in Africa with a big white guy who is punishing the blacks. Then you would scream around the world all day long!

RESIDENT EVIL 5 DID THAT LMAO

[allknowingeel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von longjohn119:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von allknowingeel:

No one’s saying Assassin’s Creed can’t take creative liberties. The issue here is that Ubisoft didn’t just exaggerate or stylize history like in Origins or Odyssey — they completely rewrote real people, especially someone like Lady Oichi, into something opposite of what they stood for.

That’s not the same as turning a historical setting into an action playground — that’s character assassination of real people whose legacies are still respected and honored, especially in Japan.

And here’s the difference:
🟢 Bayek didn’t defile the Egyptian gods or rewrite real Egyptian figures into clowns.
🟢 Kassandra didn’t rewrite Aspasia into an unfaithful parody.
🔴 Oichi, a respected symbol of loyalty and duty, is rewritten into someone unfaithful for a romance plot.
🔴 Hattori Hanzo, one of Japan’s most legendary figures, is turned into a weak background joke.

That’s why Japanese fans — and even politicians — are speaking out. It’s not the setting that’s offensive, it’s the disrespect toward actual historical people.

And when the people from that culture are telling you it's too far? That’s your cue to listen — not roll your eyes and act like it’s the same as having a few too many shirtless Spartans.

In Origins they made Cleopatra look like a slut. In Odyssey they made Alkibiades look like a man slut and a drunk. Socrates as an annoying old man who wouldn't wear sandals, Kleon into a Trump clone (Orange Ape, called him a dotard) ......

Fair enough — I didn’t know some of those details about Odyssey and Origins, and yeah, those portrayals sound pretty disrespectful too. I’m not saying they were perfect.

But here’s the difference: those games didn’t spark outrage from modern Egyptians or Greeks the way Shadows has from actual Japanese politicians and citizens. Nobody in Egypt held a press conference saying Bayek disrespected their gods. Nobody in Greece petitioned Ubisoft for making Kleon look like Trump.

Meanwhile, with Shadows, we have:

Lady Oichi, a real woman remembered for her loyalty, rewritten as a cheater.

Hattori Hanzo, turned into a background joke.

That Yasuke can defile still present shrine and killing priests, which violates both spiritual and samurai codes.

Actual Japanese officials and commentators calling it a cultural insult.

So yeah — maybe Ubisoft’s had issues before, but this time? They clearly crossed a cultural line that the people being portrayed are telling us not to ignore.

[Def]

See the arguments of the people defending this slop above? They hate Japanese culture and probably hate Asians in general. Maybe they're even envious because they are just modern consumer units and never had a culture to begin with.

[Zarok]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von allknowingeel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von longjohn119:

In Origins they made Cleopatra look like a slut. In Odyssey they made Alkibiades look like a man slut and a drunk. Socrates as an annoying old man who wouldn't wear sandals, Kleon into a Trump clone (Orange Ape, called him a dotard) ......

Fair enough — I didn’t know some of those details about Odyssey and Origins, and yeah, those portrayals sound pretty disrespectful too. I’m not saying they were perfect.

But here’s the difference: those games didn’t spark outrage from modern Egyptians or Greeks the way Shadows has from actual Japanese politicians and citizens. Nobody in Egypt held a press conference saying Bayek disrespected their gods. Nobody in Greece petitioned Ubisoft for making Kleon look like Trump.

Meanwhile, with Shadows, we have:

Lady Oichi, a real woman remembered for her loyalty, rewritten as a cheater.

Hattori Hanzo, turned into a background joke.

That Yasuke can defile still present shrine and killing priests, which violates both spiritual and samurai codes.

Actual Japanese officials and commentators calling it a cultural insult.

So yeah — maybe Ubisoft’s had issues before, but this time? They clearly crossed a cultural line that the people being portrayed are telling us not to ignore.

I mean that doesn't mean it was any less of an inaccurate portrayal that just means that some country cares more about the inaccuracies.

[MythicRocfordson]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von allknowingeel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MythicRocfordson:

idk I've seen a pretty distinct regard for cultures around the world.

I'm just not gathering why I'm supposed to care here. No one implicitly ♥♥♥♥ talked or depicted anyone in an ethically nefarious light, no one declared war, and no one aspired to say Japan isn't worth ♥♥♥♥.

You're blowing a lot of hot air right about now

You keep saying you don’t see why you should care — and that’s fine. You don’t have to care.

But what you don’t get to do is belittle actual Asian people for caring about how their own culture is portrayed.

Japanese politicians, cultural commentators, and citizens have spoken out about this game being insulting. That’s not ‘hot air’ — that’s a real cultural response.

And yes, the game absolutely depicts morally loaded and offensive actions:

Lady Oichi is turned from a symbol of loyalty into a cheating lover.

Yasuke shoots arrows into a shrine — a sacred place — with no justification.

Priests are killed despite having done nothing wrong, violating samurai ethics.

None of that is culturally neutral. You may not feel offended, but dismissing and mocking those who do — especially from the culture being misrepresented — isn’t insight. It’s apathy dressed up as cynicism.

When it's a videogame? Yes I do!

You don't have any power to tell anyone to do ♥♥♥♥ with the game they bought or made!!!

Sorry