As an Asian guy

[Def]

This game has got to be the most vitriolic insult I've ever seen to any culture of any country. I just saw the final bosses on youtube. They made the legendary Hattori Hanzo a whipped cuck loser and played random African tribal chants while Yasuke was fighting the Portuguese guy. Is Ubisoft serious?

[Rieze]

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allknowingeel eredeti hozzászólása:

News flash: Eroge isn't just porn games where girls get beat up, no matter how desperate you are to paint an entire genre with one brush. You clearly don’t know what you're talking about. Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, White Album 2, and plenty more eroge have deeper plots, emotional nuance, and more artistic value than whatever trash you’re projecting onto them.

And guess what? Fate/stay night is massive in Japan. That doesn’t happen if the writing is shallow. You don’t get stage plays, light novels, movies, and one of the most profitable mobile games in history from something people think is garbage. Maybe—just maybe—it resonated with people because it had something meaningful to say.
But sure, keep pretending it proves your point just because it had sex scenes.

Lastly, your comment about “if Japanese people are fine with games where girls get beat up, why care about shrines?” is so absurdly ignorant it’s painful. You’re seriously comparing fictional content consumed in private to the desecration of real sacred spaces and rewriting of respected historical figures. That’s not an argument — it’s a total failure to grasp the issue.

If you don’t know what you're talking about, maybe sit this one out instead of doubling down with smug ignorance.

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You...do know Japan is one of the worst places to live as a woman, right? Games reinforcing poor behavior towards women are part of this, and people do act out what they experience in video games. This is where the shrines come in from. HThe PM thinks people are going to desecrate more shrines because a game let them.

Well, some people beat up women just because they played random low quality eroge about treating women like crap., it's *reinforcement*.

IF you can't understand the double standards therein about what people are complaining about then that's a you issue. Maybe the PM could actually care about *real issues*.

Where you got that? Lol Try to travel my friend.

[Smirk]

Zarok eredeti hozzászólása:

In fact right wingers have put up entire list of games they're boycotting and wanting to be changed cause they consider everything to be "woke" and a lot of them include almost every game that's been made they've found something to argue about.

lol please

Aunt Jemima had to reshape their bottles because of people like you.

The extremists on both sides do it. It's just at this point in time, the right calls out it's extremists fairly often. You pat yours on the back and tell them to keep going.

[CloudsInTheSky]

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CloudsInTheSky eredeti hozzászólása:

Lol, Japan is the worst place for women!? This dude never visited the middle east :)) People in japan treat each other with a level of respect that is incomprehensible for most american brains.

"Incomprehensible"


Riiiggghhhttt....

Japan and Korea have a terrible record for women's rights, the worst out of all modern democracies. Women are exploited, wives are beaten, and dare you wonder where the whole "Schoolgirl" fetish came from? THat's not counting workplace discrimination. THere's a reason birthrates are non-existent, and it's not just the cost of living.

But Japan doesn't want to talk about it, so it goes under the rug. Instead, they rather talk about a black dude in a video game, and shrines.

I suggest you live there before you spew nonsense like this. Japan is nothing like North Korea when ti comes to women rights and human rights as well. Women are not treated lower than men in Japan.

[Darkhelios]

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Smirk eredeti hozzászólása:

I was pointing out the double standard, not enforcing it. Progressives went the way of fundamentalist Christians trying to purge things they didn't like from video games (see feminist frequency and onward).

I haven't seen any progressives trying to remove things from games it's usually conservatives also fundementalist christians tend to be conservatives.

Now that's quite funny. I do remember seeing plenty games receiving a LOT of backlash because - when using x culture as their source of inspiration for their game - a god / goddess / character(s) wasn't / weren't "dark skin enough".
We could mention how game journalists started to claim that making a RE remake, taking place in Africa would be a "bad idea". We could mention how Wukong was treated because "the game doesn't have any woman in it" (proving that "journalists" were unable to get past the first level). We could add the 10+ boycotts against Genshin for... quite a lot of reasons including "not being able to actually read the description of a character" (=> that was for the first boycott).
I could continue talking about many other games... And just for your information, the reason of all those backlashes was usually "to respect x culture", to "avoid cultural appropriation"... And mind you that it was also true for games that were taking place in a different world.
And lastly, I could also mention the fact that the actions taken by the "very tolerant progressive people" were quite... nasty in some cases. Death threats being quite a common occurence... Yep... Quite some nasty stuff...

[Raider Deci]

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You...do know Japan is one of the worst places to live as a woman, right?

I think the women from the gulf-states would like a word

[CloudsInTheSky]

Rieze eredeti hozzászólása:

DVerde eredeti hozzászólása:

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You...do know Japan is one of the worst places to live as a woman, right? Games reinforcing poor behavior towards women are part of this, and people do act out what they experience in video games. This is where the shrines come in from. HThe PM thinks people are going to desecrate more shrines because a game let them.

Well, some people beat up women just because they played random low quality eroge about treating women like crap., it's *reinforcement*.

IF you can't understand the double standards therein about what people are complaining about then that's a you issue. Maybe the PM could actually care about *real issues*.

Where you got that? Lol Try to travel my friend.

Americans watch a few videos on youtube and they think they know everything about a country and their culture.

[sgtCooper]

LOL for those who were spoiled by this thread

[Smirk]

CloudsInTheSky eredeti hozzászólása:

Americans watch a video on youtube and they think they know everything about a country and their culture.

I'd like to think we'd be open to stats, but all that poster has done is made cocky assertions. In my experience the more forceful someone is about their assertion the less likely it is to be true.

[DVerde]

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Rieze eredeti hozzászólása:

Where you got that? Lol Try to travel my friend.

Americans watch a few videos on youtube and they think they know everything about a country and their culture.

Don't need to watch videos to see half the shovelware eroge Japan shoves out, all with very questionable morals. But, you know, keep sitting on your high horse. IT really helped Nobunaga to live longer.

[Smirk]

DVerde eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't need to watch videos to see half the shovelware eroge Japan shoves out, all with very questionable morals.

If this is the angle we're approaching media/games from, you shouldn't be allowed to own any animals.

Your wishlist is public, fyi.

[CloudsInTheSky]

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CloudsInTheSky eredeti hozzászólása:

Americans watch a few videos on youtube and they think they know everything about a country and their culture.

Don't need to watch videos to see half the shovelware eroge Japan shoves out, all with very questionable morals.

Again, you are proving my point for watching things online that skew your view of what life really is in Japan. You are the typical ignorant american who can't see past your own nose.

[Terry86]

the list of insults

https://steamcommunity.com/app/3159330/discussions/0/591766382100626679/?tscn=1742616171

[DVerde]

Smirk eredeti hozzászólása:

DVerde eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't need to watch videos to see half the shovelware eroge Japan shoves out, all with very questionable morals.

If this is the angle we're approaching media/games from, you shouldn't be allowed to own any animals.

Your wishlist is public, fyi.

And? Assuming anything about people based on a wishlist is a great conversation starter. Top tier 10/10 kek.

CloudsInTheSky eredeti hozzászólása:

DVerde eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't need to watch videos to see half the shovelware eroge Japan shoves out, all with very questionable morals.

Again, you are proving my point for watching things online that skew your view of what life really is in Japan. You are the typical ignorant american who can't see past your own nose.

I don't need to watch videos when their shovelware eroge are all over steam, JAST, Mangagamer, etc. You clearly just want to find some way to insult "the peasants", and not actually do your own homework. THe Japanese way of life is all over the internet, and respected news agencies.

[CloudsInTheSky]

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Smirk eredeti hozzászólása:

If this is the angle we're approaching media/games from, you shouldn't be allowed to own any animals.

Your wishlist is public, fyi.

And? Assuming anything about people based on a wishlist is a great conversation starter. Top tier 10/10 kek.

CloudsInTheSky eredeti hozzászólása:

Again, you are proving my point for watching things online that skew your view of what life really is in Japan. You are the typical ignorant american who can't see past your own nose.

I don't need to watch videos when their g shovelware eroge are all over steam, JAST, Mangagamer, etc. You clearly just want to find some way to insult "the peasants", and not actually do your own homework.

No wonder you have such sick deformed thoughts about the world, your wishlist is filed with porn addicted games. The rest of us do not have time to lower ourselves to your depraved level.

[allknowingeel]

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allknowingeel eredeti hozzászólása:

I’m literally autistic. I struggle with emotional nuance and social cues, and when someone’s upset, I have to consciously work through it — read their face, process their emotions, and figure out how to respond in a way that makes sense.

So I don’t say this lightly: what Ubisoft did with this game is deeply disrespectful.

Well, explains some because that makes text immensly harder, sorry to hear about that.
But thats a key difference here, im not emotional about it in any direction. For me now is now and then was then. But at the end of the day, and I dont know how many times I should write this, its fictional media and has no value on their real counterpart. That is the difference with this & something like Cleopatra on netflix

I do understand the criticism and why people are upset. However Im not going to sit here and be mad because a piece of media did not depict som fan-favourites from the past to the letter to a country I have no connection to. And like I also said earlier I think the script should had been overhauled, the writing could be better

If I for whatever reason dont like what someone is doing with someone that lived for hundreds of years ago I just walk away from that piece of media & never touch it.

Okay, I appreciate that you’re not trying to be dismissive and that you’re being honest about where you're coming from. So let me try to explain this in a way that maybe helps bridge the gap a little more.

These aren’t just “fan-favorite characters” or distant relics from hundreds of years ago. They’re real historical figures — like Lady Oichi and Hattori Hanzo — who still hold cultural and emotional weight in Japan today. They’re taught in schools, referenced in modern media, and have descendants who carry on their names. They're part of the national memory and identity.

When a game rewrites them into something opposite of what they stood for — like turning a symbol of loyalty into someone unfaithful, or a revered tactician into a weak joke — it’s not just harmless fiction anymore. It’s distorting legacy. It’s replacing reverence with ridicule.

And I know you said it's just fictional media, but fiction absolutely shapes how people view history — especially in a globalized world. A lot of people learn their first impressions of other cultures through media. So when that media spreads a warped or disrespectful portrayal, it can genuinely alter how those figures — and even that culture — are perceived.

This isn’t about being overly sensitive. It’s about respecting what matters to others, especially when people from that culture are directly saying, “This is offensive.” Even if it doesn’t hurt you, that doesn’t mean it’s not hurting someone else.

So I’m not asking you to be upset. I’m just asking you to listen. Because if people are telling you that something disrespected their culture and their history, that matters — and brushing it off as “not a big deal” is exactly how we lose that understanding.