Fuss over Japanese Culture in AC Shadows feels like a Double Standard

[***]

I have my own reasons for not liking this game, and personally, I don’t see the point in buying it. That said, I’d like to ask why people keep harping on about respecting Japanese culture as if it’s the biggest issue with AC: Shadows. This argument is ridiculous because AC has been veering into hardcore historical fiction for ages, and no one cares. Getting offended on behalf of or as the Japanese is just laughable. Have you ever watched anime? Played games made by Japanese developers? For over twenty years, they’ve been doing whatever they want with Western culture, and nobody seems to get upset about it. Can someone explain this hypocrisy to me?

[superlloyd]

Publicado originalmente por ***:

I have my own reasons for not liking this game, and personally, I don’t see the point in buying it. That said, I’d like to ask why people keep harping on about respecting Japanese culture as if it’s the biggest issue with AC: Shadows. This argument is ridiculous because AC has been veering into hardcore historical fiction for ages, and no one cares. Getting offended on behalf of or as the Japanese is just laughable. Have you ever watched anime? Played games made by Japanese developers? For over twenty years, they’ve been doing whatever they want with Western culture, and nobody seems to get upset about it. Can someone explain this hypocrisy to me?

you saw it. there a huge amount of ♥♥♥♥ poster whose sole purpose is to annoy other people.
they don't care about the game. Hell most likely they didn't even play it. Hence they suffer from transparently vague and bad arguments, which make them easy to spot.
However they are quite worked up and relentless for some reason.
I guess there is no stopping them. But it's good to know about them, help filter the noise.
It's all there is to it :)

[Gabby]

Publicado originalmente por GuerillaTactix:

Well after the recent things like foreigners going over to disrespect Japanese cultural places, creating a game catering to Westerners that also disrespects Japanese culture is not a good look right now. Its the age old question of if it really matters if its done in pixel form. It all depends on where your sensibilities draw the line.

I want the specific instances that Japanese Culture is disrespected in the live game.

I also want to see word from the people who were in fact, specifically disrespected who actually have a horse in the race. British Dudes who cosplay as Japanese dudes on twitter do not count, mind you.

[XBlaze]

even funnier that the people that are getting offended on behalf of japanese are the same kind of people that make fun of people that hate racism and defend minorities

[HorzaEdeo]

Publicado originalmente por XBlaze:

even funnier that the people that are getting offended on behalf of japanese are the same kind of people that make fun of people that hate racism and defend minorities

probably didn't see anything wrong with what logan paul did back in 2018 either

[The Former]

Publicado originalmente por TheTrueFinalBoss:

Japanese Parliement and their prime minister talked about how disrespectful this game is to Japan

"Japanese Pariament" did not. One Diet member raised it in a session, and the Prime Minister responded. Their concern was patched out of the game, by the way.

Japan has put Yasuke in enough games, and have had kunoichi in enough games, that I honestly doubt the soul of the nation is offended by Shadows.

[Riktor87]

Publicado originalmente por Gabby:

I want the specific instances that Japanese Culture is disrespected in the live game.

I also want to see word from the people who were in fact, specifically disrespected who actually have a horse in the race. British Dudes who cosplay as Japanese dudes on twitter do not count, mind you.

You have to read through the broken G-translate unless you can read it yourself. Even the comments mirror what everyone's said in the regard to their culture being used more or less as a minimal viable product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNSOOyfOwU
This was shared with me in another discussion on just this matter, since I didn't get it either.

I know most of us don't even get these kinds of things recommended to our feeds since it's typically outside of our normal browsing algorithms but words on the matter do exist.

[Gabby]

Publicado originalmente por Blackguard:

"We Are Trying To Create A Game That Is As Authentic As Possible" - Lead Producer of AC:Shadows

"This argument is ridiculous because AC has been veering into hardcore historical fiction for ages" - OP

Hm, there seems to be a major contradiction here :SBpenguin:

Authenticity doesn't actually mean factual or historical accuracy, it means how much it feels like it's real.

Granted this is a game series where you have magical eyes, super hero like resilence, magical items that control minds, aliens, a magic weilding pope and you fight Odin and a Minotaur.

Accuracy was never the concern.

[Gabby]

Publicado originalmente por Riktor87:

Publicado originalmente por Gabby:

I want the specific instances that Japanese Culture is disrespected in the live game.

I also want to see word from the people who were in fact, specifically disrespected who actually have a horse in the race. British Dudes who cosplay as Japanese dudes on twitter do not count, mind you.

You have to read through the broken G-translate unless you can read it yourself. Even the comments mirror what everyone's said in the regard to their culture being used more or less as a minimal viable product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNSOOyfOwU
This was shared with me in another discussion on just this matter, since I didn't get it either.

I know most of us don't even get these kinds of things recommended to our feeds since it's typically outside of our normal browsing algorithms but words on the matter do exist.

I've read through this before and even been part of a chat that picked apart how many of the comments didn't actually come from someone that speaks or writes in Japanese fluently.

So I'm gonna repeat, people who cosplay as Japanese don't really count.

[AP0THICx]

Assassins Creed has always used a fictional character you play as to suspend the belief of integrating them into the world and lore they are going for in that particular title.

Probably lesson learned to not using historical characters as the playable character.

[Riktor87]

I'm sure there's bad actors in it, just as everywhere, the person I was discussing this with even mentioned there are false comments in it as well, but there are just as many honest ones. The point being do you drown out everyone for the loudest voice in the room or do you take away your own opinion? It's like the people who scream bot reviews on any game, yeah they exist, but at the same time real reviews exist. Just a case of confirmation bias.

[Gabby]

Publicado originalmente por AP0THICx:

Assassins Creed has always used a fictional character you play as to suspend the belief of integrating them into the world and lore they are going for in that particular title.

Probably lesson learned to not using historical characters as the playable character.

My honest opinion is that Yasuke was chosen specifically to distract people from the fact that the game is actually about Naoe. It's the first time a mainline AC game has specifically follows the story of a female protagonist.

Yasuke is there taking bullets for her.

[Riktor87]

Publicado originalmente por Gabby:

Publicado originalmente por AP0THICx:

Assassins Creed has always used a fictional character you play as to suspend the belief of integrating them into the world and lore they are going for in that particular title.

Probably lesson learned to not using historical characters as the playable character.

My honest opinion is that Yasuke was chosen specifically to distract people from the fact that the game is actually about Naoe. It's the first time a mainline AC game has specifically follows the story of a female protagonist.

Yasuke is there taking bullets for her.

That was what the other discussion came down to, the use of yasuke as a moral shield for bad takes on behalf of ubi.

[Gabby]

Publicado originalmente por Riktor87:

I'm sure there's bad actors in it, just as everywhere, the person I was discussing this with even mentioned there are false comments in it as well, but there are just as many honest ones. The point being do you drown out everyone for the loudest voice in the room or do you take away your own opinion? It's like the people who scream bot reviews on any game, yeah they exist, but at the same time real reviews exist. Just a case of confirmation bias.

We tend to look at actual Japanese sources and social media for feedback, instead of Western ones that are considered afterthoughts.

Like looking at YouTube instead of Nico Nico tends to make it obvious someone isn't looking for Japanese native opinions. There's a lot more positive than negative over there.

[AP0THICx]

Publicado originalmente por Gabby:

Publicado originalmente por AP0THICx:

Assassins Creed has always used a fictional character you play as to suspend the belief of integrating them into the world and lore they are going for in that particular title.

Probably lesson learned to not using historical characters as the playable character.

My honest opinion is that Yasuke was chosen specifically to distract people from the fact that the game is actually about Naoe. It's the first time a mainline AC game has specifically follows the story of a female protagonist.

Yasuke is there taking bullets for her.

I mean if you had to ask me, we have had a protagonist that has a gender choice for a good decade now.

I honestly dont get why they decided to not do that this time around.

[Gabby]

Publicado originalmente por Riktor87:

Publicado originalmente por Gabby:

My honest opinion is that Yasuke was chosen specifically to distract people from the fact that the game is actually about Naoe. It's the first time a mainline AC game has specifically follows the story of a female protagonist.

Yasuke is there taking bullets for her.

That was what the other discussion came down to, the use of yasuke as a moral shield for bad takes on behalf of ubi.

In this case it's not really a bad take that's being shielded, but probably developers realizing it's easy to distract from one thing with another. Naoe's story is pretty freaking incredible. Yasuke really feels like a secondary character or sidekick when you get down to it. And he does that work on a meta level by distracting people who don't play with racism instead of sexism.