getting the shotgun

[Brin]

when I go into the room where the shotgun is , and take it, it sets the trap. I go into the room and the trap starts. at this point both doors are locked and the cut sceen starts and jill gets saved.

in my game play the door for the backroom stays unlocked. the exit door is locked. there is no cutsceen where jill gets saved.

I've checked the entegrity of the files through steam and every is reported good.

anyone else experienced this ? is there a fix for it?

[Mahmoud]

Originally posted by holychair:

Never experienced this. Taking the shotgun should indeed trigger the exit door being locked, so that's still correct. Also, the cutscene should start once you enter the traproom. Then both doors should be locked. Once you check both doors, Barry should come to the rescue.

I think I remember, though, that if you procrastinated earlier, and especially if you have met Barry again after you both parted, he will not come to save you and you have to get the broken shotgun.

However, you should then probably be dead instead of being able to get back to the other room ...

Maybe others should chime in here, too, though, because for all my hundreds of hours in that game, I only ever did the Jill Sandwich scene once (because I ignore the standard shotgun and just get the assault shotgun later).

This also happens in the original game. If you go to the west side 2nd floor first and access the room with the broken shotgun, there will be a slight change in the scenario: you will meet Barry near Forest's dead body, he won't give you the acid rounds and won't save you from the trap.

[ut]

If what @holychair said is true, that Barry doesn't appear, the game should let you leave the room, because it is not capcom's way of making a 100% death situation without a fair warning.

[Brin]

Thanks guys for all the input. Hopfully not taking the shotgun was not a trigger for continuing the game.

[talgaby]

After you first split up from Barry as Jill, the game starts to monitor your movement. It sets a certain flag to one of… I think five possible values. This value will determine where you will meet Barry next. One of those is the one where he saves you from the trap (the Jill sandwich scene).

If your movement already set it to another value, Barry will never come to the trap room. To my knowledge, this only happens if you already triggered a scene with him, since the trap room should have the highest priority from all scenarios (speedrun failsafe).

In this case, you can always go back and replace the shotgun, so you can acquire it the intended way, by replacing it with a key item. There is only one deathtrap you cannot escape from if you make a player error (and two other ones which are instant game over, but they have very clear and fair warnings beforehand).

[Rubber Johnny]

If you back track instead of going in loops you will meet barry in the main hall where he gives you acid rounds. Doing this keeps you from getting the shotgun.

[Mahmoud]

Originally posted by Rubber Johnny:

If you back track instead of going in loops you will meet barry in the main hall where he gives you acid rounds. Doing this keeps you from getting the shotgun.

I don't understand this ?

[BigLol]

Originally posted by Axedwarf:

If what @holychair said is true, that Barry doesn't appear, the game should let you leave the room, because it is not capcom's way of making a 100% death situation without a fair warning.

it does though,i accidentally did it on my first playthrough and didn't understand why one door is open.

[Jargas]

Originally posted by Mahmoud:

Originally posted by Rubber Johnny:

If you back track instead of going in loops you will meet barry in the main hall where he gives you acid rounds. Doing this keeps you from getting the shotgun.

I don't understand this ?

Think he means if you trigger the acid rounds in the main hall before you get saved he wont save you

[BigLol]

Originally posted by Jargas:

Originally posted by Mahmoud:

I don't understand this ?

Think he means if you trigger the acid rounds in the main hall before you get saved he wont save you

while that may be true,the best way to do it is get saved by barry first and then go upstairs and leave the east wing through the sword key door on the 2nd floor where you will meet barry to give you the acid rounds.he won't be in forests dead body though.

[BigLol]

Originally posted by holychair:

Originally posted by EyalolGadol:

while that may be true,the best way to do it is get saved by barry first and then go upstairs and leave the east wing through the sword key door on the 2nd floor where you will meet barry to give you the acid rounds.he won't be in forests dead body though.

I always thought getting the shotgun is a prerequisite for getting the acid rounds?

There's two established speedrun routes for Jill: One is where you get the shotgun (and later the grenade launcher), and in this case Barry always gives you the acid rounds after you exit the east wing through the C-corridor into the halls, second floor (on your way to the balcony with the mutt). The other (faster but more difficult) one is where you get neither the shotgun nor the launcher, but only the assault shotgun from Richard later. Here, you run the same early route through the east wing, except you don't get the shotgun, and when you enter the main hall through the C-corridor, Barry won't be there.

i mean i could be wrong but i remember playing jill and doing that,i'm gonna try it rn and i'm gonna be back with 100% answers

[BigLol]

Originally posted by EyalolGadol:

Originally posted by holychair:

I always thought getting the shotgun is a prerequisite for getting the acid rounds?

There's two established speedrun routes for Jill: One is where you get the shotgun (and later the grenade launcher), and in this case Barry always gives you the acid rounds after you exit the east wing through the C-corridor into the halls, second floor (on your way to the balcony with the mutt). The other (faster but more difficult) one is where you get neither the shotgun nor the launcher, but only the assault shotgun from Richard later. Here, you run the same early route through the east wing, except you don't get the shotgun, and when you enter the main hall through the C-corridor, Barry won't be there.

i mean i could be wrong but i remember playing jill and doing that,i'm gonna try it rn and i'm gonna be back with 100% answers

i just did it,definitely possible.did it on very easy,once again with the rocket launcher.not that this changes anything.

[ut]

Damn, I now recall I forgot to pick up the assault shotgun as you mentioned it. I was eaten by the shark after picking up the gun, but forgot about it after reloading.
Can I walk all the way back? My last save is before Wesker shoots Rebecca(or after, I can't remember).

[BigLol]

Originally posted by holychair:

Originally posted by Axedwarf:

Damn, I now recall I forgot to pick up the assault shotgun as you mentioned it. I was eaten by the shark after picking up the gun, but forgot about it after reloading.
Can I walk all the way back? My last save is before Wesker shoots Rebecca(or after, I can't remember).

Not 100% sure, but I think there are, depending on situation, a couple of "points of no return" in the lab. I think one is after the first trant fight when you saved Barry/Rebecca earlier. If not, you may still go back, but then there's another point of no return once you put the fuse into the final elevator.

Originally posted by EyalolGadol:

i just did it,definitely possible.did it on very easy,once again with the rocket launcher.not that this changes anything.

Just for clarification's sake: Could you describe which route you took to get the acid rounds without getting the shotgun/being saved by Barry before?

Start of the game:Do the normal thing,see the zombie get back to the hall,get the arrow out of the death hallway and get the key.From there I go to the dog hallway to get the shotgun(Barry saves me).From there i go through to the east wing save room area(the one with the broken handle on one side)go upstairs and unlock the door that leads to the 2nd floor.Open the door to the main hall with sword key and meet barry

[BigLol]

Originally posted by holychair:

Originally posted by EyalolGadol:

Start of the game:Do the normal thing,see the zombie get back to the hall,get the arrow out of the death hallway and get the key.From there I go to the dog hallway to get the shotgun(Barry saves me).From there i go through to the east wing save room area(the one with the broken handle on one side)go upstairs and unlock the door that leads to the 2nd floor.Open the door to the main hall with sword key and meet barry

Ok, then we seemingly just had a little misunderstanding. I meant you can't get the acid rounds from Barry without being saved by him first (thus getting the shotgun) and what you did is compatible with that.

Oh,I though you meant you can't do both.Oh well.

[ut]

Originally posted by holychair:

Not 100% sure, but I think there are, depending on situation, a couple of "points of no return" ...

OK thanks. I loaded a save before the Tyrant. I got that gun but now I find I can't get the flame thrower.
Since this is my first game, I think it is impossible to get any achievement if I collect all items and clear every room? If so maybe I should just start the second round.