Why is Edy bad again?

[AnemoneMeer]

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I keep reading when looking up anything for this game that Edy's one of the worst Shocktroopers in the game. I'm trying to figure out why given that my experiences with her have basically been that she's a Scout/Shocktrooper hybrid, especially when her procs go off and her firing cone shrinks to the size of a thimble.

Awaken Potential leads to her panicky trait getting overwritten by Super Damage, and her accuracy is insane, leaving her as one of the few shocktroopers who can headshot from outside enemy shocktrooper retaliation range.

So yeah, why exactly is she bad, accuracy seems to be the king of stats in this so long as your unit has enough damage to lethal by the bottom of their clip.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

because Vyse has stats like

Undodgeable Shot - Attacks have a set probability of being impossible for the enemy to evade.
Super Damage - Attack power against human targets is greatly boosted a set percentage of the time.
Double Attack - They have a set chance of being able to attack twice consecutively.

basically, you give Vyse one of the Imperial rifles that does more dmg with less accuracy and he can kill 2x soldiers EASILY.

Also, Edy is a Rosie hater, Rosie is a very good shock+ gets better with other shocks near her.

Edy isnt bad at all, and her sister shows up in VC2... so but yeah, she is a good shock but I prefer Vyse a lot more.

[AnemoneMeer]

Oh, I'm not arguing about Vyse. If you're looking for someone to facecheck the enemy, he's honestly better than Rosie, as Born Leader can go off BEFORE you start getting shot in the face. Then again, I'd expect no less from the protagonist of one of the best JRPG's released.

From what I've seen, Vyse is basically Rosie 2.0. With the exception of Double attack, Edy has the same perks as him for learned perks. Difference being Edy has a hell of alot more accuracy innates and Phoenix on her, which makes incredibly suicidal tactics perfectly safe with Awaken Potential active, which lets her do some really silly tactics, while Vyse is more a standard case of "facecheck, murder, repeat"

Big Sister's honestly a wasted slot. It only goes off if she's near other shocktroopers, which isn't going to be often given how important scout rushing , and thus scouts are, and that it only goes off on her turn, which, combined with her accuracy stat being pretty bad, conflicts with her tendancy to end up horribly out of position (And able to survive being so, but beside the point). Born leader crushes it as it will proc off anyone, which means scouts, who are your typical rush troopers.

Also the fact that if you spend the time moving units up together, you're sacrificing an A rank on almost every map.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

Edy is almost like a joke character, her dream was to become a singer and an actress- basically a japanese idol. And she even have the twintails like most of these anime characters.
she doesnt belong in the game, but then again she does, because Gallia is supposed to be this small nation that has no real army but is forced to recruit all citizen from all walk of life.
I think that is the issue with Edy honestly, that she feels like a japanese idol and not her battle skills - which, if you ask me, good.

[AnemoneMeer]

Personally, I found her side chapter made her an amusing case of idiot failure hero, which compensates nicely for that, putting her more into the delusional camp.

[Kameraden]

Jane + Hannes best Shock Trooper Combat in the game, they both get damage boost vs imperial soldiers, ie vs almost all enemies you face, both work well together. Imperial Hater is a Perk that is always active.. which is awesome. lol

[Sugoi]

Because Vyse, Lynn, and Jane are all vastly superior.

[AnemoneMeer]

Originally posted by Sugoi:

Because Vyse, Lynn, and Jane are all vastly superior.

*Points at linked screenshot's accuracy circle*

None of the above listed can pull that accuracy circle off with a Mags3. Lynn is definately best in class though. Hard worker + HP recovery + awaken potential = dead army.

Saying because X are better doesn't say why Edy is bad. That's arguing X is bad because Y is overpowered. Following that logic all units are bad because Alicia is a walking terminator who renders the very notion of game balance, let alone all other units obsolete. I wish I were joking but Awaken Potential on her really does do that.

[Sugoi]

She's not bad because honestly nobody is. But the gap between her and the listed units is pretty damn big. She has female firing speed, which hurts her interception ability (seriously why did they never patch this) and I don't think her accuracy boost brings the same things to the table that those other characters do.

I do use her occasionally because she's hilarious, though. And she's much better in VC3.

[AnemoneMeer]

The firing speed can suck at times, yeah, but the increased range at which she hits seems to balance it out ALOT more than say Rosie (Uuuuuugh, why are you manditory). Lynn definately flattens her outright on this due to her absurd base accuracy.

I guess it's different opinions though, I've seen that accuracy boost lead to her making shots I'd deem impossible on other shocktroopers without savescumming, and getting kills off it.

[Rin]

Edy is the worst shocktrooper early game, since Panicky makes her failing her role more often than not. With everything unlocked, Edy is average. There's a few shock troopers better than her (and would fill all your needed slots), but there are more shock troopers worse than her, e.g. Nina, Dorothy, Coby, etc.

However, just because a character is bad, it doesn't mean you shouldn't use the character. I've played VC a couple times already, the last thing I'd want to do is to beat the game with yet another Vyse, Marina, Melville super team.

This time around, I'm picking all characters at random, and deploy non-commanders at random, via dice rolls.

[Sugoi]

Well, like I said... I can see her merits. I just think they're a bit isolated and require specific setups (mainly, giving her Ruhm) to take advantage of. Further, other characters would make better use of Ruhm for amazing interception (Vyse) or just generally mowing down all the things (Lynn).

[AnemoneMeer]

Eh. I find Edy doesn't need Ruhm. Standard gallian weapons work fine with what you use her for (running in and longshotting key targets without fear of death due to range, defense and easy accuracy procs). Lynn's really the only choice for Ruhm, as hard worker is sooooooo exploitable.

Lynn's really just overpowered period though.

[busards]

Originally posted by AnemoneMeer:

Originally posted by Sugoi:

Because Vyse, Lynn, and Jane are all vastly superior.

*Points at linked screenshot's accuracy circle*

None of the above listed can pull that accuracy circle off with a Mags3.

Jane and Lynn can easily get a small circle in fact.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/46/1415879103-100-3818.jpg
And at level 20 it's just a dot, not a circle anymore.


No really, shocktrooper is a very powerful class and as such, every shocktrooper is good. But among shocktroopers, Edy isn't that good at all.

The best trooper potentials are fearless will, undercover fire, mid-range skills and ultimate damage. Edy has none of those. Worse, she has 2 negative potentials and born leader is useless. That only leaves her country bred to give her a +40% accuracy where Rosie, Lynn, Jane and Mica can get a even smaller aiming circle and a damage boost along with it.

[Panic Fire]

Originally posted by AnemoneMeer:

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I keep reading when looking up anything for this game that Edy's one of the worst Shocktroopers in the game. I'm trying to figure out why given that my experiences with her have basically been that she's a Scout/Shocktrooper hybrid, especially when her procs go off and her firing cone shrinks to the size of a thimble.

Awaken Potential leads to her panicky trait getting overwritten by Super Damage, and her accuracy is insane, leaving her as one of the few shocktroopers who can headshot from outside enemy shocktrooper retaliation range.

So yeah, why exactly is she bad, accuracy seems to be the king of stats in this so long as your unit has enough damage to lethal by the bottom of their clip.

Eddy isn't bad, she is instead not optimal. VC is not balanced very well at all. (scout grenades anyone) While its a very good game despite this, it means many characters and classes fall to the wayside. Eddy while ok, is not nearly as good as some of the other choices which makes her less optmial. Which in turn makes her bad in comparison. Incedently, she was actually pretty popular in japan.

[AnemoneMeer]

Originally posted by busards:

Originally posted by AnemoneMeer:

*Points at linked screenshot's accuracy circle*

None of the above listed can pull that accuracy circle off with a Mags3.

Jane and Lynn can easily get a small circle in fact.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/46/1415879103-100-3818.jpg
And at level 20 it's just a dot, not a circle anymore.


No really, shocktrooper is a very powerful class and as such, every shocktrooper is good. But among shocktroopers, Edy isn't that good at all.

The best trooper potentials are fearless will, undercover fire, mid-range skills and ultimate damage. Edy has none of those. Worse, she has 2 negative potentials and born leader is useless. That only leaves her country bred to give her a +40% accuracy where Rosie, Lynn, Jane and Mica can get a even smaller aiming circle and a damage boost along with it.

I'm not even at level 20 yet. And as I already said, Lynn OP. Comparing Edy to Lynn is obviously going to be a loss because Lynn is one of the few characters with the potential to even compete with Alicia.

I'd put Edy as maybe 5th or 6th for shocktroopers. Vyse and Lynn have her beat for sure but Lynn's flat overpowered to the point where few characters even compete with her, and Vyse is intentionally overpowered anyway. Not enough experience with Jane and Mica to say.

My experience with Lynn is that actually getting her reticule to shrink to pinprick is INCREDIBLY specific due to having to CQC a shocktrooper, which is one of the game's ultimate cases of "Why are you doing this". Melee skills goes off pretty much at will. then again, Hard Worker/HP recovery are both insanely broken, and Lynn's base accuracy is insane anyway.

My argument is that Edy's one of the better, not one of the worse shocktroopers. As opposed to Edy can compete with Lynn, which is blatantly not true.