This gameplay design is idiotic

[piecewise66]

Seriously, everything about this game is probably the worst, most poorly designed mechanics I've ever seen.

Why does the game boot you out of a cutscene only to make you select another cutscene and continue doing nothing? Why would it not just string these together into one act rather than forcing me to skip through this boring ♥♥♥♥ 4-5 times a level? The story is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible in general; generic, uninteresting characters, a boring plot, artificial drama, its C teir anime writing at best.

Why do the enemies shoot at you all the time? I understand shooting at you when you're running between areas or getting counter attacks but why do they keep shooting at you while you're crouched behind cover, not moving, not using up action points, when time should be paused? Has the braindead developer of this game very played literally any other tactical game EVER? Its like playing chess with someone and they just keep moving pieces constantly while you're making your move. Its basically nothing except a health tax; no matter how quickly you act and move, or how much cover and tactics you use, they're always gonna get a few hits on you. And whats worse this is unfair to the player because the PC acts instantly so you never get the chance to pelt them with a few rifle rounds as they smash the end turn button.

Whats worse the game seems highly restrictive. Want to do something tactically? No, you must go inbetween our invisible walls and do the fight exactly as we want you to.

Its pretty looking...sort of. Its just low poly anime models with an filter over it.

I have no idea why people seem to love this game so much.

[Lanzagranadas]

Man, I played DmC (my first and only Devil May Cry game so far) and my first playthrough was full of B ranks, with just a few A and S (Max is SSS). And that was mostly for not meeting time and score requirements.

I played all Resident Evil games and my first playthrough overall ranks were allways like C, or even D in some of them. Again, mostly for not meeting clear time or saving requirements. One of them even requires you to not save and not die at all to get S rank.

Should I blame those games for bad and unfair rank system that force me to rush and play through them several times so I get good enough to meet the requirements? I don't think so.

Seriously, if you're getting all max ranks on your first attempt in any game it's because either A) the game difficulty is a complete joke or B) you have experience with previous games in the series and the gameplay is similar so you already know what's all about.

The same could happen if you play VC4 for the first time, anyone who played VC1 first will naturally perform better because they have prior experience with the franchise and its gameplay. But anyone who's completely new to the franchise will have to learn everything from the start and will likely fail a lot.

High ranks are precisely meant to be an extra layer of challenge that you're not supposed to achieve if you're new to a game, but through getting better and learning through replays.

And no, you don't have to savescum in order to A-rank VC either. Even with a bit of bad luck moments or mistakes it's still doable. I did a full A-rank walkthrough including Selvaria's DLC missions and all Hard and Expert Skirmishes without ever using command mode saves. VC3 is in fact noticeably harder than VC1 and they don't give you an option to save during a mission so you have to make it without that. VC1 gives you the option but that doesn't mean you actually must use it to succeed.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally posted by Soulkey:

Old school gamer running into an obstacle:
Learns from his mistake and adjusts his playstyle to overcome said obstacle.

Modern gamer running into an obstacle:
Blames game mechanics, which he never bothered learning, then goes on forums to rant how bad the game is.

I have been gaming since 1987, at least. I think it sucks, too. Technically, I would qualify as oldschool given the decades I've been playing games. Don't be an ageist - or at the very least - an elitist toward another gamer like this. He has presented a legitimate reason for something being infuriating. Just because the majority disagrees with him, it does not invalidate his statement. No need to belittle him for disagreeing with you.

[Misaki]

This game is so bad, really. T_T

>Chap. 15b: Selvaria's Last Stand, 8 turns

More like 1 shot victory.

RNG is not fun.

[Misaki]

One thing I know for sure now: you get d if you act cautiously (the way you're supposed to since you don't want anyone to die) and you get a if you already know what was scripted for you (hello deus ex).

This is one of the worst and most overrated games of all times. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally posted by Misaki:

One thing I know for sure now: you get d if you act cautiously (the way you're supposed to since you don't want anyone to die) and you get a if you already know what was scripted for you (hello deus ex).

This is one of the worst and most overrated games of all times. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

I agree with your qualm, but don't think it's objectively bad. I just can't make myself enjoy it because of its bizarre design decisions such as the one you brought up.

It's possible for people to hate a game without it being literally a "bad game." I dislike so much about Final Fantasy VII, but I'd be silly to objectively declare it "bad."

[Včelí medvídek]

I dont like the non-stop reaction shot too and imho it is not so well mechanic for be praised.

Have only first few missions behind me (just rtraining on first skirmish) and I would say it is perfectly ok that enemy fire on my units during their actions - particualrly moving. But there is realy no tactical reason why they should keep attack at moment my unit dont do anything and jsut stay at cover - as there is no possibility to make more attacks per round this is jsut punishment for not be able end turn fast enough (already twice lost my unit because I struggled hit ESC for finish turn after shooting fast enough - that is realy stupid)

[Avatar the Last C0ckbender]

This game actually does have ♥♥♥♥ design. A lot of the harder enemy story units have insane health and can also dodge basically every attack your units mange, no metter their accuracy rating. Not to mention Klaus' tank being able to steamroll through units while at the same time using overwatch fire from his tank, and take about 8 hits before his tank is taken down.
The design of these games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible, and just because some of us don't spend 18 hours a day playing games doesn't mean it isn't for us. Bad design is bad and putting in a save function that works in the middle of a mission is pretty indicative of that, isnt it?

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by The Philistine:

This game actually does have ♥♥♥♥ design. A lot of the harder enemy story units have insane health and can also dodge basically every attack your units mange, no metter their accuracy rating. Not to mention Klaus' tank being able to steamroll through units while at the same time using overwatch fire from his tank, and take about 8 hits before his tank is taken down.
The design of these games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible, and just because some of us don't spend 18 hours a day playing games doesn't mean it isn't for us. Bad design is bad and putting in a save function that works in the middle of a mission is pretty indicative of that, isnt it?

Get gud scrub. Stop blaming your lack of free time and refund the game. And spare us your babbling

[Mr. Matt]

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Originally posted by The Philistine:

This game actually does have ♥♥♥♥ design. A lot of the harder enemy story units have insane health and can also dodge basically every attack your units mange, no metter their accuracy rating. Not to mention Klaus' tank being able to steamroll through units while at the same time using overwatch fire from his tank, and take about 8 hits before his tank is taken down.
The design of these games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible, and just because some of us don't spend 18 hours a day playing games doesn't mean it isn't for us. Bad design is bad and putting in a save function that works in the middle of a mission is pretty indicative of that, isnt it?

Get gud scrub. Stop blaming your lack of free time and refund the game. And spare us your babbling

He made specific points indicative of flaws in the design, and you provided no actual rebuttal to those points, instead attempting to dismiss them. Is it because you are lazy, or because you lack the knowledge to properly rebut him? Who knows? Either way, git gud at debate, scrub.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by Mr. Matt:

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Get gud scrub. Stop blaming your lack of free time and refund the game. And spare us your babbling

He made specific points indicative of flaws in the design, and you provided no actual rebuttal to those points, instead attempting to dismiss them. Is it because you are lazy, or because you lack the knowledge to properly rebut him? Who knows? Either way, git gud at debate, scrub.

All he did was whine and then offer excuses as to why he couldnt play the game. He is weak minded. But he isnt a fool like you are at least.

I mean honestly people. Who the ♥♥♥♥ dislikes a game and then spends their time on that game's forum just dumping on it? Leave your review and move on.

And perhaps most importantly dont revive 2 year old threads. So he had to GO OUT OF HIS WAY to complain. He is weak. But again, at least he isnt a fool like you who defend his statements because I used meme speak to tell him to ♥♥♥♥ off. He knew the context of reviving this old post which is more than you gave to it.

And despite two years having passed I am exactly on point that I made earlier in this thread:

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Originally posted by Simple Swordsman:

Haters gonna hate.

Lets not forget he has the mental fortitude and patience of a 4 year old asking for string cheese.

Anyway why is anyone indulging this rando. He posted it here instead of a review because he knows he will get a reaction and that he is so unimportant simply leaving a review leaves him completely ignored.

Just move along people

So tell me... Why are you here except to defend the wrong person?

[Mr. Matt]

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Originally posted by Mr. Matt:

He made specific points indicative of flaws in the design, and you provided no actual rebuttal to those points, instead attempting to dismiss them. Is it because you are lazy, or because you lack the knowledge to properly rebut him? Who knows? Either way, git gud at debate, scrub.

All he did was whine and then offer excuses as to why he couldnt play the game. He is weak minded. But he isnt a fool like you are at least.

I mean honestly people. Who the ♥♥♥♥ dislikes a game and then spends their time on that game's forum just dumping on it? Leave your review and move on.

And perhaps most importantly dont revive 2 year old threads. So he had to GO OUT OF HIS WAY to complain. He is weak. But again, at least he isnt a fool like you who defend his statements because I used meme speak to tell him to ♥♥♥♥ off. He knew the context of reviving this old post which is more than you gave to it.

And despite two years having passed I am exactly on point that I made earlier in this thread:

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Lets not forget he has the mental fortitude and patience of a 4 year old asking for string cheese.

Anyway why is anyone indulging this rando. He posted it here instead of a review because he knows he will get a reaction and that he is so unimportant simply leaving a review leaves him completely ignored.

Just move along people

So tell me... Why are you here except to defend the wrong person?

I am interested in civil disagreements. He presented arguments. You failed to rebut them. I brought this to light. Instead of rebutting his arguments after getting called out for it, you continue to refuse to rebut his points. This makes him look correct to anyone oblivious to this game. If you like this game - which you see to, given your malcontent with his comment - then defend it instead of trying to debate me to avoid having to debate him.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by Mr. Matt:

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

All he did was whine and then offer excuses as to why he couldnt play the game. He is weak minded. But he isnt a fool like you are at least.

I mean honestly people. Who the ♥♥♥♥ dislikes a game and then spends their time on that game's forum just dumping on it? Leave your review and move on.

And perhaps most importantly dont revive 2 year old threads. So he had to GO OUT OF HIS WAY to complain. He is weak. But again, at least he isnt a fool like you who defend his statements because I used meme speak to tell him to ♥♥♥♥ off. He knew the context of reviving this old post which is more than you gave to it.

And despite two years having passed I am exactly on point that I made earlier in this thread:

So tell me... Why are you here except to defend the wrong person?

I am interested in civil disagreements. He presented arguments. You failed to rebut them. I brought this to light. Instead of rebutting his arguments after getting called out for it, you continue to refuse to rebut his points. This makes him look correct to anyone oblivious to this game. If you like this game - which you see to, given your malcontent with his comment - then defend it instead of trying to debate me to avoid having to debate him.

nah. First of all both your minds are made up and mine too. Second he came to ♥♥♥♥♥ and I came cause I got pinged and get to indulge insulting him. We both got what we wanted. He didnt want a debate, I dont want a debate. You want one.

My rebuttal is he sucks at the game and is playing to wrong.

He didnt "present arguments" he complained about parts of a game he disliked. You should ♥♥♥♥ off too. you've added less than nothing to this thread.

Cry more ya triggered ♥♥♥♥♥.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Originally posted by Mr. Matt:

I am interested in civil disagreements. He presented arguments. You failed to rebut them. I brought this to light. Instead of rebutting his arguments after getting called out for it, you continue to refuse to rebut his points. This makes him look correct to anyone oblivious to this game. If you like this game - which you see to, given your malcontent with his comment - then defend it instead of trying to debate me to avoid having to debate him.

nah. First of all both your minds are made up and mine too. Second he came to ♥♥♥♥♥ and I came cause I got pinged and get to indulge insulting him. We both got what we wanted. He didnt want a debate, I dont want a debate. You want one.

My rebuttal is he sucks at the game and is playing to wrong.

He didnt "present arguments" he complained about parts of a game he disliked. You should ♥♥♥♥ off too. you've added less than nothing to this thread.

Cry more ya triggered ♥♥♥♥♥.

You're the one clearly getting emotional. He did present arguments. You simply disagree with him and wish to be belligerent instead of engaging in a reasonable discussion. Hmm, being belligerent instead of engaging in reasonable discussions with people you disagree with? Ah, right, that's called being triggered.

[Sigma]

This guy must really hate video games.

[SCIM]

OP sounds like the kind of person that would set up a chess board on a table in the middle of a basketball court and then get angry that everyone else isn't following the rules and keeps knocking over the table.

I'm pretty amazed that OP somehow managed to completely fail at understanding this game's core gameplay concept and thinks this game falls under the same group as chess.