Sale when?

[StormWyrm]

Anyone think this game is likely to get a significant sale? Thought it might when I saw the colony steam sale but Isthereanydeal says it never has.

[☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣]

Lactose Intolerant Volcano God の投稿を引用：

Ravensong の投稿を引用：

Nearly $100 for the full game. On sale.

I know, crazy right? Imagine working for more than ten years to develop a game and then selling copies to people for only USD 100. That's equivalent to less than 7 hours of minimum wage in my country. No wonder most indie games fail to achieve commercial success when customers expect to pay so little.

10 years developing mostly the storytelling mechanics and some RPG atribute systems, while close to clone totally the whole visual design of Prison Architect...

You people talking like the visual aspect would be something seen on pilars of eternity or similar... lol that would justify such pricing... You also ignoring that this content can be copied with no aditional cost so actually is the same to sell 4M copies at high cost or sell 10M copies at lower cost.

I believe now they are on a point where they push such price so people that will go in, and dont like it will most probably ask for a refund given the value of it, and thus their negative review (if done) will get not counted on the steam page.... while having it cheaper could cause more people to create negative reviews but not asking for a refund, what would lower the rating of the game because it will be counted.

[☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣]

Balthazad の投稿を引用：

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

Honestly if this year ends and the game and DLCs are unable to get bought by 25€ I will remove it from my list and forget the game at all...

One thing is get the maximum posible by your game and another different thing is milk your fanbase to the limit... 10 years with barely a 20% sale! If I would had to chose I would buy Factorio instead just by the pricing policies.

https://steamdb.info/app/294100/
check here
the game is -20% off every couple of weeks.
nobody ever said you should buy a basegame AND all of it's dlc's in a single shopping frenzy. go get the basegame, see that you love it, see that factorio or other boring ♥♥♥♥ isn't comparable to this diamond of a build-your-own-game box.
if you enjoy, you buy the next dlc at a later point. trust me the basegame will give you more than enough to play with, most mods don't require the dlc's. until you're done with your very first colony, the one you begun the tutorial with, you may very well end up 1 reallifeyear later. plenty of time to have saved the bucks for royalty & ideology on other games that you've never needed to play thx to rimworld. anomaly is a waste of money, skip that. and then keep in mind that this game is from 2013 and not only had to survive, but also is run by a very small amount of devs which try to pass on some of the money to the best modders - ppl that keep the game as great as it is. neither the game nor the dlc's ever really changed their pricetags, but inflation has done it's job in the meantime. assume a cozy 2.5% inflation annually and those 12 years end you up with 30% devalued money; in reality we had 7% in at least one of those years. can you imagine that the ppl working on this & only releasing a dlc every couple of years to a solid fanbase, which didn't very much enjoy the last one, still need to eat food & drink water? good, that means you see how unreasonable & absurd your demand is.

I already played the game a couple of times in the past, I know I could easily get 100h of it... I am however not really that much interested on the DLCs aside a couple of things... I have been waiting 6+ years to play in deep to the game when I can adquire by a reasonable price yet this seems like it will never happen.

Also ludeon studios must be like 20-24 people... In the best case if you take a look on their linkedin...

I dont believe digital games are really "forced" to get super-low pricing overtime if they are good enough, but by the same rule I also do not accept a game having 10 years being unable to lower its price on reasonable way... even less if adding DLCs doesnt gets reflected on making the base game at least a cheaper entry...

I understand for a super niche fanbase the price will be perfect and you could invest 3000h on this game... but unless literaly you only like this kind of game It is just too easy to find better deals.

[schnappkatze]

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

I already played the game a couple of times in the past, I know I could easily get 100h of it... I am however not really that much interested on the DLCs aside a couple of things... I have been waiting 6+ years to play in deep to the game when I can adquire by a reasonable price yet this seems like it will never happen.

So you have been waiting more than 6 years for the game, just to save around 10 - 15 bucks on a sale? That seems wild to me, I would either just buy the game or stop being interested.

Also unclear to me what you deem a reasonable price, if 30 bucks for at least 100 hours are unreasonable. (to be clear, talking about the base game)

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

I understand for a super niche fanbase the price will be perfect and you could invest 3000h on this game... but unless literaly you only like this kind of game It is just too easy to find better deals.

Yes, you got it. Apart from your wording about "super niche", that is basically why the game is able to ask this price: In its genre no other game comes close to what it does, so it makes sense to not sell it for cheap.

Ofc you can find "better deals" if you are into other games. This is true for every game ever. If you happen to be into browser idle games you actually can play all day for free. Nothing can ever beat that deal, not even Witcher 3 for 1 cent. (or any other 10/10 game everybody raves about).

If you don't care as much about the aspects of Rimworld that it does exceptionally well, then yeah, another game will actually be a better deal for you. If you like, list one or two games that are a better deal tham Rimworld for you, would be interesting.

[Lactose Intolerant Volcano God]

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

You people talking like the visual aspect would be something seen on pilars of eternity or similar... lol that would justify such pricing... You also ignoring that this content can be copied with no aditional cost so actually is the same to sell 4M copies at high cost or sell 10M copies at lower cost.

I don't know what the 'you people' are talking about, but I'm certainly not talking about that.

I've been buying games since the early 90s. In literal dollars, games are cheaper now than they were back then. In relative terms, they are much cheaper now. Yet games back then were simpler and often took less time to develop. Whilst it's true that they came in a box with a cardboard sleeve, a game manual, diskettes or a CD-ROM, they didn't come with any ongoing support. Few, if any, patches or updates. No server costs. No forum mediators and community engagement officers.

Developing an indie game is a significant financial risk. A dev can spend years of their life and make no money. If we want talented people to take that risk, there has to be a fair chance of a commercial return. How much would you expect to earn after years of your effort and not getting paid? What would be fair compensation for your skill, dedication and risk?

It's okay to say that a game can be sold as many copies, but that's only relevant if a game is successful. What about for the solo game developers who only sell 1,000 copies of their game? What is a fair price for their years of effort? Is it appropriate to expect that they will earn the equivalent of a few cents an hour for years?

If you think Rimworld should be cheaper because it's a bestselling game, you're punishing it for its success. That also goes against the basic principles of free market economics. Price is where supply meets demand. If demand is strong because a game is popular, then the price may rise. The price should not be expected to fall due to a game's unit sales or over time, as the costs of developing that game have not fallen. The price may fall if the developer wants to increase sales, but there’s no obligation for them to lower the price.

If you want games like Rimworld to keep being created, then indie game development needs to be supported. That means paying a fair price for games. Don't be cheap. Else you're damaging the industry and encouraging other pricing models like pay-to-win games. Indie game development should be a viable career. If we want the best, most original games, then indie developers should not need to work second or third jobs (or be independently wealthy) just to be able to finance game development. We should be paying them a fair price for their time. If you value quality games, how can you argue otherwise?

[The Blind One]

The game was on sale for ~29% off on fanatical.com not that long ago. (DLC were also ~29% off) However that promotion just ended.

Also from the marketing director's recent speech they say they do put the game regularly on sale for more than 20% just not on steam. You're gonne have to look elsewhere like fanatical.

They'll only do 20% on Steam for a long while. Maybe they will change this when the new DLC will drop in probably 3 to 6 months tops and offer some combo discount or something but I wouldn't bet too hard on it.

I'd strongly recommend watching a lets play of it and see if you like this sort of gameplay before buying it. Then just decide to buy it on the next 20% off sale you see or wherever it is cheapest.

You're never going to get it cheaper than 30% off in any case and never any lower than 20% off on steam.

[Chibi Life]

Waiting for a reasonable sale on Rimworld is like admitting you just don't want to play it. Not talking trash about you though I'm just saying this game be stingy lol

[Pong]

The price is appropriate for a a core dozen or so career professionals enjoying a good life in Montreal, Canada. The house is 1,5 million and the lake country cottage is half a million. Then snowbirding to Mexico for a few months each winter, dining out twice a week... supporting a few NEET relatives at Canadian standard of living "bohemian". University and ski lessons for the kids. Life in Canada isn't cheap. Didn't mention income tax.

And granted some people in this world will be spoiled a bit, who better? The Duke of Sussex?

[bliznots]

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

Honestly if this year ends and the game and DLCs are unable to get bought by 25€ I will remove it from my list and forget the game at all...

One thing is get the maximum posible by your game and another different thing is milk your fanbase to the limit... 10 years with barely a 20% sale! If I would had to chose I would buy Factorio instead just by the pricing policies.

Oh no, after all these years of not dropping a penny...you still won't drop a penny? Why did you feel the need to announce this?

[bliznots]

Chibi Life の投稿を引用：

Waiting for a reasonable sale on Rimworld is like admitting you just don't want to play it. Not talking trash about you though I'm just saying this game be stingy lol

yes, "this game be stingy". that should've ended the thread right there.

[☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣]

schnappkatze の投稿を引用：

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

I already played the game a couple of times in the past, I know I could easily get 100h of it... I am however not really that much interested on the DLCs aside a couple of things... I have been waiting 6+ years to play in deep to the game when I can adquire by a reasonable price yet this seems like it will never happen.

So you have been waiting more than 6 years for the game, just to save around 10 - 15 bucks on a sale? That seems wild to me, I would either just buy the game or stop being interested.

Also unclear to me what you deem a reasonable price, if 30 bucks for at least 100 hours are unreasonable. (to be clear, talking about the base game)

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

I understand for a super niche fanbase the price will be perfect and you could invest 3000h on this game... but unless literaly you only like this kind of game It is just too easy to find better deals.

Yes, you got it. Apart from your wording about "super niche", that is basically why the game is able to ask this price: In its genre no other game comes close to what it does, so it makes sense to not sell it for cheap.

Ofc you can find "better deals" if you are into other games. This is true for every game ever. If you happen to be into browser idle games you actually can play all day for free. Nothing can ever beat that deal, not even Witcher 3 for 1 cent. (or any other 10/10 game everybody raves about).

If you don't care as much about the aspects of Rimworld that it does exceptionally well, then yeah, another game will actually be a better deal for you. If you like, list one or two games that are a better deal tham Rimworld for you, would be interesting.

Each has its own way to value one game...

I did not invest on rimworld mostly because as I tell I found I could get other games Im interested on What I feel fits better personal preferences.

The whole premise of rimworld is great, but it also relays a lot on semi-procedural systems that gives as much variation as repetivity on long-term... It certainly goes deeper than most competence and that is why I has a great rating on the genre It is also the reason im interested in the game... but at the end the reply would be "but not for that much" playing 200 or 2000h on some genres are not always that related to quality...

I can see for example on cities skylines (1) a 2000h game investment aswell in general being also top rated in its genre and where in general all their characteristics felt up and even ahead the standard, yet still having much better offers just to cite one example...

If you believe the pricing is reasonable its ok, I find the game ages more than the price lowers to keep it atractive for a bigger playerbase.. this also would help promotion for an hipotetical second part, if anytime it gets developed.

[psychotron666]

☣ βioClone λx-45 ☣ の投稿を引用：

Balthazad の投稿を引用：

https://steamdb.info/app/294100/
check here
the game is -20% off every couple of weeks.
nobody ever said you should buy a basegame AND all of it's dlc's in a single shopping frenzy. go get the basegame, see that you love it, see that factorio or other boring ♥♥♥♥ isn't comparable to this diamond of a build-your-own-game box.
if you enjoy, you buy the next dlc at a later point. trust me the basegame will give you more than enough to play with, most mods don't require the dlc's. until you're done with your very first colony, the one you begun the tutorial with, you may very well end up 1 reallifeyear later. plenty of time to have saved the bucks for royalty & ideology on other games that you've never needed to play thx to rimworld. anomaly is a waste of money, skip that. and then keep in mind that this game is from 2013 and not only had to survive, but also is run by a very small amount of devs which try to pass on some of the money to the best modders - ppl that keep the game as great as it is. neither the game nor the dlc's ever really changed their pricetags, but inflation has done it's job in the meantime. assume a cozy 2.5% inflation annually and those 12 years end you up with 30% devalued money; in reality we had 7% in at least one of those years. can you imagine that the ppl working on this & only releasing a dlc every couple of years to a solid fanbase, which didn't very much enjoy the last one, still need to eat food & drink water? good, that means you see how unreasonable & absurd your demand is.

I already played the game a couple of times in the past, I know I could easily get 100h of it... I am however not really that much interested on the DLCs aside a couple of things... I have been waiting 6+ years to play in deep to the game when I can adquire by a reasonable price yet this seems like it will never happen.

Also ludeon studios must be like 20-24 people... In the best case if you take a look on their linkedin...

I dont believe digital games are really "forced" to get super-low pricing overtime if they are good enough, but by the same rule I also do not accept a game having 10 years being unable to lower its price on reasonable way... even less if adding DLCs doesnt gets reflected on making the base game at least a cheaper entry...

I understand for a super niche fanbase the price will be perfect and you could invest 3000h on this game... but unless literaly you only like this kind of game It is just too easy to find better deals.

Bro, you've got like $18k in bought games on steam, many you've never even played, but you'll wait 6 years to save 20 bucks on a 35 dollar game?

[Sally smithson]

Regarding the age of the game and the price.
That is a flawed stance. Why would a company reduce the price when its still selling well.

Should the game be dying slowly and no new content comes out, then i'd say that the price should reduce. But not while success is still there

[Wraith_Magus]

Clearly, for some people, if you make a game $35 and put it on sale for 20% every now and then, it's a ♥♥♥♥ game not worth buying, but if you make a game $70 and make it 50% off every now and then, it's a great bargain.

Also, why would you want to have a game that can last you a full decade with periodic DLC to add more content at a lower price when you can demand a new full-price game come out to add the same content?

[psychotron666]

Wraith_Magus の投稿を引用：

Clearly, for some people, if you make a game $35 and put it on sale for 20% every now and then, it's a ♥♥♥♥ game not worth buying, but if you make a game $70 and make it 50% off every now and then, it's a great bargain.

Also, why would you want to have a game that can last you a full decade with periodic DLC to add more content at a lower price when you can demand a new full-price game come out to add the same content?

I've been saying this for years. They should make this game base price 80 bucks and put it on sale for 50-60% the majority of the time and watch all these sale hunters buy it up because of how much they're saving.

They're like those chicks who go shopping and only needed 200 dollars of stuff but they got 1500 dollars of stuff because they saved 600 dollars doing so, so they'd be stupid to have not done it.

[The Blind One]

My main gripe with the prices is that with each DLC the total game price seems further and further out of reach for most new players who will most likely decide the game just isn't worth the whole price.

For me it was totally worth it but I've been there from before ideology dropped and I've purchased each DLC individually and was able to justify each purchase as buying a new game in terms of how much playtime I've had with it.

New players don't have that justification, they just see the game with all its DLC as one game.

Either way the marketing / sales team can do what they want, I just think it'd be smarter to offer proper discounts on the base game and the older DLC as sort of bundle programs to lure in new players who will in the long run buy the new more expensive DLC anyway if they enjoy the gameplay loop.