Automatic Manual...?

[Zeivo]

What is a auto manual? I seen it recently added into automation out of no where when automation got updated
Tried testing it in beam, seemed just like a dual clutch and thats it...

[Canadian Idiot]

I'm pretty sure they just switched Sequential gearbox to Auto Manual, try checking the patchnotes

[VaderDFXB]

Basically automated manual, a self controlled manual with no clutch pedal. I think both Honda and BMW had transmissions like that for a while. Just screams reliability issues to me. Oh yeah, "Smart" cars had them too. I rather have a proper manual or a normal automatic transmission in my vehicles.

Laughs in conventional automatic at stupid automated manuals.

[HorseMeat]

Yeah, they're basically the same as a dual clutch, but with only one, so the shift time is ridiculous.
LOTS of companies use them, Saab, Dodge, Fiat, along with the ones already mentioned, and so on and so forth.
It's got all the economy of a manual, but does the shift itself. It's usually a slow jerky shift though. The clutch packs usually last about 200,000 km (125,000 miles)

[VaderDFXB]

Originally posted by Deviant Burrito:

It's usually a slow jerky shift though. The clutch packs usually last about 200,000 km (125,000 miles)

To be fair I've only been on one car that had it once and it was a Smart car. Shifted ok but leaving from a stop it shuddered like mad and basically told me it would probably rip itself apart in not too long. And since it's a "Smart" car the repair cost would probably be insane. Maybe other AMTs aren't so bad but my only experience with one was quite negative.

Surprisingly I fit in the passenger side of that car shockingly well. It was quite spacious, more than my car even. Seats were as hard as concrete though and that's an automatic no-go for me.

[Zeivo]

Originally posted by Deviant Burrito:

Yeah, they're basically the same as a dual clutch, but with only one, so the shift time is ridiculous.
LOTS of companies use them, Saab, Dodge, Fiat, along with the ones already mentioned, and so on and so forth.
It's got all the economy of a manual, but does the shift itself. It's usually a slow jerky shift though. The clutch packs usually last about 200,000 km (125,000 miles)

So its basically a Flappy Paddle in a jaguar?
Sounds boring.
:-:

[Zeivo]

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Basically automated manual, a self controlled manual with no clutch pedal. I think both Honda and BMW had transmissions like that for a while. Just screams reliability issues to me. Oh yeah, "Smart" cars had them too. I rather have a proper manual or a normal automatic transmission in my vehicles.

Laughs in conventional automatic at stupid automated manuals.

Yeah I can agree
Automatic manual just sounds like a person who can't use a clutch on a normal car, and instead stalls it XD

[HorseMeat]

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Originally posted by Deviant Burrito:

It's usually a slow jerky shift though. The clutch packs usually last about 200,000 km (125,000 miles)

To be fair I've only been on one car that had it once and it was a Smart car. Shifted ok but leaving from a stop it shuddered like mad and basically told me it would probably rip itself apart in not too long. And since it's a "Smart" car the repair cost would probably be insane. Maybe other AMTs aren't so bad but my only experience with one was quite negative.

Surprisingly I fit in the passenger side of that car shockingly well. It was quite spacious, more than my car even. Seats were as hard as concrete though and that's an automatic no-go for me.

As an owner of 450 and 453 framed smart cars, I can say, the dual clutch they borrowed from renault for the 453 is miles better than the automated single clutch they used in the 450 and 451. The shifting is... breathtakingly bad on the old diesel, and non turbo gasser. The diesel engine itself was plenty of power for 1600 lbs of car (the newer ones are closer to 2200) but it was actually a 3 speed, not a 6, with two final drives. so it would shift through 1-2-3 in a fairly ok way, but then when you went for fourth, it went to 1st again and switched final drives... that shift is nearly .75 seconds of just dead air. If you hit the flappy paddles right, and you knew when and where to gear up and down, you could minimize it. But to just hop in? It was a thing you had to learn, otherwise the car would seem diabolical.

Now the dual clutch smart... that's almost a normal car. It's no VW DSG. But it's faster than an average automatic. my 453 with it's 0.9L Turbo and the dual clutch will plop out 0-60 mph in the low 9s, and the pull away shudder is gone. Like all DSGs though, it's not great at creeping. The seats are vastly improved though, and there's lot more shoulder room.

Sadly, for north america, they did that for two years, then it wouldn't pass the new emissions legislation. So they swapped to electric only. And the range was insufficient... even for city driving, for north americans. (80 km won't even do a full tour of the ring road in my city). They sold so few in the last year it wasn't worth it to homologate them anymore, which is a shame, because those new EV crossovers they're bringing out look wonderful and have real useable range.

[VaderDFXB]

Meanwhile here's me hating on DSGs because they suck, are unreliable and are stupid expensive compared to just a regular automatic. I like my old wafty boats, thanks. Sports cars not for me. I also don't care if you don't agree with that sentiment. Old American land barges are stupid comfortable and are fantastic commuters because of it. I wouldn't be able to even use a 1/10th the power of something like a modern sports car has where I live and wouldn't want to anyways.

Yes, am old fuddy-duddy. Like comfort, don't care for power. If it moves, good enough.
Please excuse me while I go yell at some kids to get off my lawn.

[Swartkin]

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Meanwhile here's me hating on DSGs because they suck, are unreliable and are stupid expensive compared to just a regular automatic. I like my old wafty boats, thanks. Sports cars not for me. I also don't care if you don't agree with that sentiment. Old American land barges are stupid comfortable and are fantastic commuters because of it. I wouldn't be able to even use a 1/10th the power of something like a modern sports car has where I live and wouldn't want to anyways.

Yes, am old fuddy-duddy. Like comfort, don't care for power. If it moves, good enough.
Please excuse me while I go yell at some kids to get off my lawn.

Old cars are crazy comfortable, people that rode a Chevy Opala said to me it was the most comfortable car they've ever rode

[VaderDFXB]

Originally posted by Swartkin:

Old cars are crazy comfortable, people that rode a Chevy Opala said to me it was the most comfortable car they've ever rode

I hate new cars for many reasons and comfort is one of the main ones. Seats in cars now are so hard it's stupid. My car is over 30 years old and literally has seats like grandma's sofa. Why would I want some new and over-computerised piece of uncomfortable junk? Bah. That and older cars also don't have massive distracting screens that are constantly blaring in your face. It's unsafe and tacky AF.

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[elisonia220]

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[Kibōchen]

Originally posted by Canadian Idiot:

I'm pretty sure they just switched Sequential gearbox to Auto Manual, try checking the patchnotes

They never say this in the patchnotes lol

[Shaxei]

They're exactly that, a manual transmission except it's operated automatically by computer controlled solenoids. Not desirable for normie cars because they're as slow to shift as a manual, but due to being the cheapest autos and able to handle tons of power they're used in both tiny cheap cars (all smarts up until 2015) and certain supercars.

[VaderDFXB]

Originally posted by Shaxei:

but due to being the cheapest autos

Aren't they more expensive than a torque-converter automatic though? I mean for the end user they are but I thought they were more expensive and time consuming to manufacture and that's why they aren't common. CVTs are the transmissions I think of when I hear cheap.

[RiftHunter4]

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Originally posted by Shaxei:

but due to being the cheapest autos

Aren't they more expensive than a torque-converter automatic though? I mean for the end user they are but I thought they were more expensive and time consuming to manufacture and that's why they aren't common. CVTs are the transmissions I think of when I hear cheap.

Automated manuals were expensive, which is why the industry ditched them for DCT's: still expensive but actually good. Also like DCT's, the maintenance was not great.

CVT's and Traditional Automatics are probably about the same cost to produce, but they have different maintenance issues.