Driving In Automation

[kamikaze_82]

I already heard it from one of the devs that they are not planning on putting in the feature of driving your cars. I forgot for what reason that is but regardless, I think that the ability to let all of us players be able to drive and perhaps maybe an online freeroam and racing feature would be a HUGE selling point for Automation which means a better future for the game and most importantly the devs. I don't see any reason not to as this would be the most unique and epic simulator anyone will ever see! As soon as the new players discover that not only can you create your dream cars but also drive it and be able to see your ride alive in action that won't think twice about it. And devs if you see this, Honestly concider on giving us that ability. It would make this game a legend.

For us car fanatics we no longer have the good racing games like we did back in the day which I'm sure you all feel the same. We are craving for an awesome racing/simulator game. All the devs will be doing is good for themselves and the game. Devs don't even try anymore these days to make a decent car game. When are we going to get that? I turn to Automation because it has HUGE potential. If we get this available to us you can bet that sales will go up drastically and enhancing overall gameplay.

[WildKarrde]

The reason not to is the HUGE amount of work it would take to add a decent driving simulator to this game.

[kamikaze_82]

Originally posted by WildKarrde:

The reason not to is the HUGE amount of work it would take to add a decent driving simulator to this game.

And that's exactly my point. Devs these days don't want to work extra hard. Although I get that yes it would be A LOT of work but like I said too, in the end Automation would be superior to a lot of car games these days. If the devs REALLY want to succeed and make something out of themselves they'll do anything in their power to make the best game possible. But sadly today is all about the money they earn and not develop games with passion.

That is what we lost over the years. A lot of newer games are BS today because of that reason. It's the age of technology and it's about time that games start taking a trurn on getting more complex. Video games are evolving over time like Star Citizen for an example. There will be random generated planets with cities that you can visit in a vast world. You can go to space and traverse on these planets. That is one game that I admire for their crazy hard work.

[accent]

Originally posted by kamikaze_82:

But sadly today is all about the money they earn and not develop games with passion.
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What if their PASSION is to make a good car TYCOON game, not a driving game. Adding a driving simulator would be appealing to the crowd and thus done for the money.

And I've been following the development of this game since 2012 and I can assure you they're working hard and doing whatever a team of only a few people can to make the game as good as they can. Gimme a list of "decent driving simulators" made by only a few guys. Sure there are some, but what if those would have to have detailed car designing and engine designing and marketing and manufacturing simulations made on top of them just because people want that too?

[kamikaze_82]

Originally posted by accent:

Originally posted by kamikaze_82:

But sadly today is all about the money they earn and not develop games with passion.
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What if their PASSION is to make a good car TYCOON game, not a driving game. Adding a driving simulator would be appealing to the crowd and thus done for the money.

And I've been following the development of this game since 2012 and I can assure you they're working hard and doing whatever a team of only a few people can to make the game as good as they can. Gimme a list of "decent driving simulators" made by only a few guys. Sure there are some, but what if those would have to have detailed car designing and engine designing and marketing and manufacturing simulations made on top of them just because people want that too?

And then you have players who go against such an option which I don't get. And believe me I know they worked hard enough to implement such details into the game. But why not go even further? The more complex a game could be the more options us players have and the more people would be intersted in. Not saying the devs didn't do jack. I'm proud of what they have done but they can really go further with their project and show the world how talented they can be. Automation would be a big evolution in gaming if that feature can be added. It's never a bad idea when it comes to be able to drive your own vehicles. That would just be a HUGE plus.

[WhiskeyJim68]

Originally posted by kamikaze_82:

Originally posted by accent:

What if their PASSION is to make a good car TYCOON game, not a driving game. Adding a driving simulator would be appealing to the crowd and thus done for the money.

And I've been following the development of this game since 2012 and I can assure you they're working hard and doing whatever a team of only a few people can to make the game as good as they can. Gimme a list of "decent driving simulators" made by only a few guys. Sure there are some, but what if those would have to have detailed car designing and engine designing and marketing and manufacturing simulations made on top of them just because people want that too?

And then you have players who go against such an option which I don't get. And believe me I know they worked hard enough to implement such details into the game. But why not go even further? The more complex a game could be the more options us players have and the more people would be intersted in. Not saying the devs didn't do jack. I'm proud of what they have done but they can really go further with their project and show the world how talented they can be. Automation would be a big evolution in gaming if that feature can be added. It's never a bad idea when it comes to be able to drive your own vehicles. That would just be a HUGE plus.

This game needs to be a tycoon game first. Once the devs actually finish that I could see people begging for a DLC with a driving option but the game is first and foremost a tycoon/design game and right now it desperately needs more of the tycoon work. There is no doubt that driving the cars would be cool but thats not what this game is. The fact that the devs have stated very clearly multiple times that driving was not in the development road map should prevent threads like this from popping up but some people think their opinions are that of the great majority and must be listened to.

[Sordid Heap]

Originally posted by kamikaze_82:

And then you have players who go against such an option which I don't get. And believe me I know they worked hard enough to implement such details into the game. But why not go even further? The more complex a game could be the more options us players have and the more people would be intersted in. Not saying the devs didn't do jack. I'm proud of what they have done but they can really go further with their project and show the world how talented they can be. Automation would be a big evolution in gaming if that feature can be added. It's never a bad idea when it comes to be able to drive your own vehicles. That would just be a HUGE plus.

That's not how games development works. 'Why not go even further?' Because it would be an absolutely colossal investment in terms of both time and money, with no guarantee that it'll translate to equal returns (despite your claims that it would be a 'big evolution in gaming'). Do you have any idea how much it would cost to dynamically simulate all the different variables that Automation covers, including chassis type and material, suspension load and setup, engine layout and tuning, body morphs and aerodynamics, etc.?

[Killrob]

The responses have it pretty well covered. I'd suggest watching this still highly relevant video.
https://youtu.be/P4S6L-kMev0
at 9:51 you have the driving aspect addressed.
It would take about 3 years of working with 20-30 people to make a good driving simulator that doesn't fall flat in comparison to the design part of the game. That costs about 30*3*50000 = 4.5 million dollars. We're 5.5 people, and we definitely don't have 4.5 million lying around :P that just as an added illustration for why this idea just doesn't work out, on top of all the other excellent reasons for not doing it.

[WildKarrde]

Originally posted by kamikaze_82:

Originally posted by WildKarrde:

The reason not to is the HUGE amount of work it would take to add a decent driving simulator to this game.

And that's exactly my point. Devs these days don't want to work extra hard. Although I get that yes it would be A LOT of work but like I said too, in the end Automation would be superior to a lot of car games these days. If the devs REALLY want to succeed and make something out of themselves they'll do anything in their power to make the best game possible. But sadly today is all about the money they earn and not develop games with passion.

That is what we lost over the years. A lot of newer games are BS today because of that reason. It's the age of technology and it's about time that games start taking a trurn on getting more complex. Video games are evolving over time like Star Citizen for an example. There will be random generated planets with cities that you can visit in a vast world. You can go to space and traverse on these planets. That is one game that I admire for their crazy hard work.

This will be one of the best tycoon games ever... they aren't trying to make the best driving games ever. They're already working extra hard to reach the vision they set out to do with this game.

[kamikaze_82]

Originally posted by Killrob:

The responses have it pretty well covered. I'd suggest watching this still highly relevant video.
https://youtu.be/P4S6L-kMev0
at 9:51 you have the driving aspect addressed.
It would take about 3 years of working with 20-30 people to make a good driving simulator that doesn't fall flat in comparison to the design part of the game. That costs about 30*3*50000 = 4.5 million dollars. We're 5.5 people, and we definitely don't have 4.5 million lying around :P that just as an added illustration for why this idea just doesn't work out, on top of all the other excellent reasons for not doing it.

Well alright, regardless though I enjoy the hard work you guys have put in to making this game the way it is now. Totally worth the buy. I would want to know how the exporting of car models would be in Autmation though to use it in other games. That would be awesome.

[Killrob]

An exporter is definitely something we'd like to do, yes. That is well within the realm of possibility and most likely feasible from a business perspective, too.

[kamikaze_82]

Originally posted by Killrob:

An exporter is definitely something we'd like to do, yes. That is well within the realm of possibility and most likely feasible from a business perspective, too.

I mean it'd definitely be nice, so we will be able to use Automation as a dummy proof CAD program basically. I would really be looking forward to that feature.