Some of the mission rewards are just wildly inconsistent and unfun

[Cpt. Jeff Gaybeard]

Right so i'm playing the Baker campaign.

Here come the opportunity to do the Gold Cup heist where you basically rob the massive stash of gold the previous King had. Spend a few hundreds thousands hiring crew, getting trucks, buzzsaws, the whole deal. I'm able to complete it fully in stealth and get away with three full literal truckload of gold. Payout? 395 000 dollars.

Aight, what? That can't be right. Can barely break even with all of the investments i've made for it.

But i press on.

Later on, come the opportunity to steal some cash trucks. Nice, i need the money and they should be quick and easy jobs. One of them was INSANELY difficult for some reason and i had to retry it 15+ times despite having a great crew before completing it. I'm eventually able to finish it and even get all the loot out. Payout? Almost 8 MILLIONS. Bruh.

So stealing the equivalent of Fort Knox levels of gold net me not even a half million, but stealing a random cash truck has 20 times the payout?

[Flavio93Zena]

Unlucky, you experienced 2 issues.
1) Gold Cup sucks in stealth because it's missing several trucks that spawn only in loud. Do the mission in loud.
2) Can't elaborate specifically because it's an exploit, I know what happened and no it wasn't intended.

First one fixed in U10, second one fixed sooner.

[Cpt. Jeff Gaybeard]

Originalmente postado por Flavio93Zena:

Unlucky, you experienced 2 issues.
1) Gold Cup sucks in stealth because it's missing several trucks that spawn only in loud. Do the mission in loud.
2) Can't elaborate specifically because it's an exploit, I know what happened and no it wasn't intended.

First one fixed in U10, second one fixed sooner.

So going stealth doesn't pay as well because there isn't anymore trucks unless you go loud? Sounds like a massive issue to me honestly. It doesn't make sense. Even then, three full truckloads of gold would be worth more than 400k.

I did have the damn Apache come out of nowhere even tho i kept stealth the entire time and attempt to destroy the truck tunnel. Figured i simply got unlucky and triggered something somewhere and didn't see it, so had to ditch about a third of the loot and escape.

It would make sense that the cash truck thing was a strange oneoff. The loot was the usual mix of gold/platinum bars and cash and yet it paid off 20 times.

[ThreadCutter]

Can confirm that Gold Cup sucks ass in stealth. You can get more in loud but tbh it still doesn't feel like enough

[Lardo]

Yeah, they overhauled the progression lately, they wanted runs to be faster, so they increased payouts for missions, but probably forgot to adjust heists accordingly. Especially if this particular heist is bugged.

[Flavio93Zena]

Originalmente postado por Lardo:

Yeah, they overhauled the progression lately, they wanted runs to be faster, so they increased payouts for missions, but probably forgot to adjust heists accordingly. Especially if this particular heist is bugged.

That's... Completely wrong minus the fact that they did overhaul progression but only in MP.

Already answered in first post.

[Lardo]

Originalmente postado por Flavio93Zena:

Originalmente postado por Lardo:

Yeah, they overhauled the progression lately, they wanted runs to be faster, so they increased payouts for missions, but probably forgot to adjust heists accordingly. Especially if this particular heist is bugged.

That's... Completely wrong minus the fact that they did overhaul progression but only in MP.

Already answered in first post.

You don’t know what you’re talking about and I’ve played SP on Epic since release. They overhauled the SP campaign in April and reset everyone’s progress, now I don’t have any silenced weapons, but the payouts are insane, like OP claims.
https://support.505games.com/support/solutions/articles/150000180509-crime-boss-rockay-city-epic-xsx-ps5-update-8-2024-april-16-

[whit]

What did you do with all the extra bags when the trucks stopped coming? Just curious, because I got 2 million (before substractions) for doing that stealth. Ending up being like 1.3 million, with the choice at the end. To either keep it, or hire dragon to the team.

[Cpt. Jeff Gaybeard]

Originalmente postado por whit:

What did you do with all the extra bags when the trucks stopped coming? Just curious, because I got 2 million (before substractions) for doing that stealth. Ending up being like 1.3 million, with the choice at the end. To either keep it, or hire dragon to the team.

I gave it to my bots when i noticed they were somehow able to throw them into "a truck" even tho nothing was there. I'm really not sure if it counted at all, but i wasn't able to do that very long since the apache came around right at this time, so had to bail since i wasn't well equiped for going loud. Everything else simply got left behind.

Either way, limiting the amount of trucks in stealth is just stupid. Punishing the player for being able to pull off stealth and complete it that way is A S S.

[whit]

The way it should end, is no helicopter (for stealth - only 2.8% of the steam player base has this achievement). And you go to the room where the trucks are and escape.

Should be only two buttons in the control room, one for the alarm timer and one for the electric (there's one for the gun cage, but those don't matter). Found on the white boards in the offices, one marked 'A' and one marked 'B'. Then you have to pick the correct circuit breakers for the cages. After that if you subdued all the guards, it should be smooth sailing.

Edit - the extra bags just get piled up in that room, next to the railing. And when you click to escape a gold/yellow square shows up around that escape area. And all the extra bags should get counted.

If it's going as planned, dragon should actually compliment you a couple of times.

[Cpt. Jeff Gaybeard]

Originalmente postado por whit:

The way it should end, is no helicopter (for stealth). And you go to the room where the trucks are and escape.

Should be only two buttons in the control room, one for the alarm timer and one for the electric (there's one for the gun cage, but those don't matter). Found on the white boards in the offices, one marked 'A' and one marked 'B'. Then you have to pick the correct circuit breakers for the cages. After that if you subdued all the guards, it should be smooth sailing.

Yup, that's exactly what i did. Took screenshots of the whiteboards for A and B. Noted the buttons for electricity, camera, ping guards and didn't touch anything else. Deactivated all of the lasers in the breaker room without triggering sentries. I was able to subdue everyone. No strikes too.

I have no idea still why the Apache came around. There was no alarm, no deaths, no shots fired.

Honestly i can only assume it's a bug at this point.

[Flavio93Zena]

Originalmente postado por Lardo:

Originalmente postado por Flavio93Zena:

That's... Completely wrong minus the fact that they did overhaul progression but only in MP.

Already answered in first post.

You don’t know what you’re talking about and I’ve played SP on Epic since release. They overhauled the SP campaign in April and reset everyone’s progress, now I don’t have any silenced weapons, but the payouts are insane, like OP claims.
https://support.505games.com/support/solutions/articles/150000180509-crime-boss-rockay-city-epic-xsx-ps5-update-8-2024-april-16-

Literally a beta tester and game tutorial author. Don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah dude.

That bit about length is even counterintuitive. For some people it made it faster, for veteran players it made it slower:
U8 campaign record: 2 days
U9 campaign record (extreme): 3 days
It's not explained in a great way on that article I must admit.

[Lardo]

Originalmente postado por Flavio93Zena:

Originalmente postado por Lardo:

You don’t know what you’re talking about and I’ve played SP on Epic since release. They overhauled the SP campaign in April and reset everyone’s progress, now I don’t have any silenced weapons, but the payouts are insane, like OP claims.
https://support.505games.com/support/solutions/articles/150000180509-crime-boss-rockay-city-epic-xsx-ps5-update-8-2024-april-16-

Literally a beta tester and game tutorial author. Don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah dude.

That bit about length is even counterintuitive. For some people it made it faster, for veteran players it made it slower:
U8 campaign record: 2 days
U9 campaign record (extreme): 3 days
It's not explained in a great way on that article I must admit.

With all that d measuring, you still haven't told me what I was "completely wrong" about. Did they overhaul the SP? They did. Did they alter the mission payouts? They did. You might have a point about "streamlining the runs" not working as intended, but it doesn't change the fact that they still overhauled it.

[Flavio93Zena]

They merely tweaked some parameters for SP... Campaign was changed to make it more appealing for a wider audience but overall it was much less noticeable compared to MP changes that basically resetted everything.
Campaigns are meant to be completed within a few weeks at most, or eventually the good ol' Norris gets onto you. Entourage perks can really help with slowing investigation down a fair bit, still.
Payouts are not insane, as I already mentioned the OP encountered and accidentally reproduced an exploit on that cash truck mission which I'm not going to comment (even less explain) about due to the fact it's an exploit that will be fixed shortly.

[Lardo]

Originalmente postado por Flavio93Zena:

They merely tweaked some parameters for SP... Campaign was changed to make it more appealing for a wider audience but overall it was much less noticeable compared to MP changes that basically resetted everything.
Campaigns are meant to be completed within a few weeks at most, or eventually the good ol' Norris gets onto you. Entourage perks can really help with slowing investigation down a fair bit, still.
Payouts are not insane, as I already mentioned the OP encountered and accidentally reproduced an exploit on that cash truck mission which I'm not going to comment (even less explain) about due to the fact it's an exploit that will be fixed shortly.

A few days ago I got a compound robbery mission (day 2) and earned ~300K with Baker on the team. Yesterday I did the same type of mission (day 8) and got 2M. I'm pretty sure I've never got a payout like this from a mission before. Granted, this mission is new and long, and Baker didn't have the 50% bonus before the overhaul, but still. Also there are noticeably less missions that spawn in a day, but OK, maybe it's because I'm not getting hero missions anymore, so it just seems that way. Oh, and they most definitely took all my silenced weapons away, I'm back to bricks and throwing knives.