SPOILER - The Ending and Serah - SPOILER

[Kebess]

SPOILER - The Ending and Serah - SPOILER

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I'm very glad Serah dies in the end. I really hope she isn't coming back in XIII-3. She was not a good lead character - her personality just isn't powerful enough. In comparison, even for her few appearances, Lightning did a better job.

Serah was very brave, yes, but her naivety, innocence and oversensitivity made her at best a filler character (like in XIII), but certainly not a lead one. I felt very bored by her. I was actually hoping it would change at some point, but nope, nothing changed there at all.

Still, I like this ending - the story just couldn't have had a happy ending (not yet), that would have made it way too simple.

Just one question though, why create a New Cocoon? Why not just live on Gran Pulse?

[mystiq]

Poorly written story?

Probably elitism. They want to go back in the air because Gran Pulse probably still doesn't feel like home. Although after 500 years, I don't see how it wouldn't. At that point it's probably becacuse it's all they've been doing for the last 500 years and because Gran Pulse probably can't support all the people still on Cocoon.

[GravityLoL]

Originally posted by Kebess:

I'm very glad Serah dies in the end. I really hope she isn't coming back in XIII-3. (...)
Just one question though, why create a New Cocoon? Why not just live on Gran Pulse?

Whole LR is about Lightning collecting souls to save humanity and bring Serah soul back.

And why new cocon? SO THEY COULD RELEASE FANG AND VANILL FROM CRYSTAL STASIS.
it was mentioned so many times i'm surprised you don't remember this.

[KupoMogKupo]

Only a scumbag would take joy in death and then wish for them to stay dead. PEOPLE LIKE YOU SICKEN ME! MAKES ME FEEL LIKE ♥♥♥♥! I try to be nice to everybody, but there's just no way I could associate myself with somebody who feels this way.

[SirNinja]

Originally posted by Kebess:

Just one question though, why create a New Cocoon? Why not just live on Gran Pulse?

Pulse is a dangerous place. Even a small seaside town like New Bodhum has a huge gate, fence system, several dozen assault rifles, and several volunteers working with the NORA squad patrolling the beachside cliffs. Even though it's apparent that Snow and company tried their hardest to make a place like their Cocoon hometown (the architecture and beachside housing are practically the same as old Bodhum), there are signs all over the place that their new home is in a less-than-forgiving place.

The safest place on Pulse is right underneath Cocoon, where the new government/military is able to build an elevator in 4 AF that goes to and from the formerly-floating continent. The outpost underneath Cocoon ends up being the safest place on Pulse to be, and it eventually turns into a colossal city (Academia).

There are other reasons why a new Cocoon is being built as well. For one, the old Cocoon was humanity's home for a very long time, and was a save haven from the many monsters and Cie'th residing on Pulse. Secondly, it was known for a long time (thanks to Hope's excavated Oracle Drive) that Cocoon's pillar would one day erode and cause catastrophic damage to the world below, especially Academia. The new Cocoon would serve as an ideal place to evacuate all those people.

Of course, it all goes to hell in the game's ending when both Pulse and the new Cocoon are engulfed in Chaos, but you asked, so there you are.

And yes, I know, I've played this game way too much.

[Jambo]

Originally posted by Kebess:

I'm very glad Serah dies in the end. I really hope she isn't coming back in XIII-3. She was not a good lead character - her personality just isn't powerful enough. In comparison, even for her few appearances, Lightning did a better job.

You can have an opinion of that, but mine is that Lightning is a terribly boring character across all three games.

[GAMER221993]

Originally posted by JamboFrames:

Originally posted by Kebess:

I'm very glad Serah dies in the end. I really hope she isn't coming back in XIII-3. She was not a good lead character - her personality just isn't powerful enough. In comparison, even for her few appearances, Lightning did a better job.

You can have an opinion of that, but mine is that Lightning is a terribly boring character across all three games.

I still don't know how is that Lightning actually have fans. She sucks! (And not in a sexual way) it's the worst character i have seen in a FF game. And the damn 3 games (FF13,13-2 and LR) WANT YOU TO LOVE HER because "Lightning is cool"

[Devek]

Her apperance, and outfit, was kind of cool in ff14 :D

[KupoMogKupo]

Originally posted by GAMER221993:

Originally posted by JamboFrames:

You can have an opinion of that, but mine is that Lightning is a terribly boring character across all three games.

I still don't know how is that Lightning actually have fans. She sucks! (And not in a sexual way) it's the worst character i have seen in a FF game. And the damn 3 games (FF13,13-2 and LR) WANT YOU TO LOVE HER because "Lightning is cool"

People like her because they do. That's the only explanation haters deserve.

[GravityLoL]

Originally posted by Serah Is Love:

Originally posted by GAMER221993:

I still don't know how is that Lightning actually have fans. She sucks! (And not in a sexual way) it's the worst character i have seen in a FF game. And the damn 3 games (FF13,13-2 and LR) WANT YOU TO LOVE HER because "Lightning is cool"

People like her because they do. That's the only explanation haters deserve.

i lile her, she not usual pretty lady with big boobs, thus, reason for boys hitting puberty getting grab the game.

she's strong, tough, smart badass and extremely skilled in fighting, something we don't see in females in games. she also has cool dream for me, protecting her sister no matter the cost, something i personally always support.

The same goes for Fang. Cool, sexy, wild and dangerous chick with spear. Cocky, flirty, sexy, what not to like? + her relationship with Vanille (sisterly or romantic, whatever ya call) i soo good. (YURI RULES)

they're different and that is enough for me to like them.
Both Fang and Lightning are strong and badass girls and we need them both in games (pros for Remember Me and such titles) an in other media too.

That's everything from me.

[Kebess]

Originally posted by Serah Is Love:

Only a scumbag would take joy in death and then wish for them to stay dead. PEOPLE LIKE YOU SICKEN ME! MAKES ME FEEL LIKE ♥♥♥♥! I try to be nice to everybody, but there's just no way I could associate myself with somebody who feels this way.

Serah is a fictional character. She... isn't real.
I'm not taking pleasure in anyone's death, I'm taking pleasure in how a plot turned out. If you weren't so damn in love with this character, you'd actually understand the difference.

Originally posted by GravityLoL:

And why new cocon? SO THEY COULD RELEASE FANG AND VANILL FROM CRYSTAL STASIS. it was mentioned so many times i'm surprised you don't remember this.

That wasn't my question... Why move to a new Cocoon when they can live on Gran Pulse? Vanille and Fang have nothing to do with this question.

[Kebess]

Originally posted by SirNinja:

Originally posted by Kebess:

Just one question though, why create a New Cocoon? Why not just live on Gran Pulse?

Pulse is a dangerous place. Even a small seaside town like New Bodhum has a huge gate, fence system, several dozen assault rifles, and several volunteers working with the NORA squad patrolling the beachside cliffs. Even though it's apparent that Snow and company tried their hardest to make a place like their Cocoon hometown (the architecture and beachside housing are practically the same as old Bodhum), there are signs all over the place that their new home is in a less-than-forgiving place.
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Great answer, :)
I didn't pay much attention to the dangerousness of Gran Pulse. It seemed to me they had totally "tamed" the planet at some point, but now that you point it out, it makes more sense.

Still, they don't "have to" make it float in the air. It seems like a waste of energy, but that bit must have more to do with symbolism and what it represents, rather than its usefulness.

Originally posted by mystiq:

Poorly written story?

Probably elitism. They want to go back in the air because Gran Pulse probably still doesn't feel like home. Although after 500 years, I don't see how it wouldn't. At that point it's probably becacuse it's all they've been doing for the last 500 years and because Gran Pulse probably can't support all the people still on Cocoon.

Yep, this too. Many aspects of the story was very sketchy, no news there.

[Kebess]

Originally posted by Serah Is Love:

People like her because they do. That's the only explanation haters deserve.

Nope. You unable to grasp why people like her doesn't mean they don't have multiple valid reasons to. I've already explained some of them in an older thread.

Originally posted by GravityLoL:

Originally posted by Serah Is Love:

People like her because they do. That's the only explanation haters deserve.

i lile her, she not usual pretty lady with big boobs, thus, reason for boys hitting puberty getting grab the game.

she's strong, tough, smart badass and extremely skilled in fighting, something we don't see in females in games. she also has cool dream for me, protecting her sister no matter the cost, something i personally always support.

The same goes for Fang. Cool, sexy, wild and dangerous chick with spear. Cocky, flirty, sexy, what not to like? + her relationship with Vanille (sisterly or romantic, whatever ya call) i soo good. (YURI RULES)

they're different and that is enough for me to like them.
Both Fang and Lightning are strong and badass girls and we need them both in games (pros for Remember Me and such titles) an in other media too.

That's everything from me.

Totally agreed. I'd even add more, but no need. "Haters" gonna hate, no matter what, ;)

[KupoMogKupo]

Originally posted by Kebess:

Originally posted by Serah Is Love:

Only a scumbag would take joy in death and then wish for them to stay dead. PEOPLE LIKE YOU SICKEN ME! MAKES ME FEEL LIKE ♥♥♥♥! I try to be nice to everybody, but there's just no way I could associate myself with somebody who feels this way.

Serah is a fictional character. She... isn't real.

Predictable response from someone who doesn't understand. I KNOW SHE'S FICTIONAL! I don't need that explained to me. However, that doesn't stop me from feeling the way I do though. I should probably stop wasting my energy trying to make people understand. It's futile.

Originally posted by Kebess:

Totally agreed. I'd even add more, but no need. "Haters" gonna hate, no matter what, ;)

The level of hypocrisy here is astounding. How convenient. When it's something you like it's suddenly "haters gonna hate." Yes, haters are gonna hate. You're one of them.

Originally posted by Kebess:

Originally posted by Serah Is Love:

People like her because they do. That's the only explanation haters deserve.

Nope. You unable to grasp why people like her doesn't mean they don't have multiple valid reasons to. I've already explained some of them in an older thread.

I don't even know what you're arguing here. It seems like you completely misunderstood me. I completely understand why people like Lightning. I was calling out her haters yet you managed to take the opposite meaning from it.

[Kebess]

Originally posted by Serah Is Love:

Originally posted by Kebess:

Serah is a fictional character. She... isn't real.

Predictable response from someone who doesn't understand. I KNOW SHE'S FICTIONAL! I don't need that explained to me. However, that doesn't stop me from feeling the way I do though.

Good thing we aren't married then, heh :)

Still, what don't I understand exactly?

The important bit of my response was:
"I'm not taking pleasure in anyone's death, I'm taking pleasure in how a plot turned out. If you weren't so damn in love with this character, you'd actually understand the difference."

Which means, I mainly care about the plot, the quality of it, because all this is fictional to me (and rightfully so). I don't necessarilly give a damn about any individual character, even though as pointed, I do have my preferences.
(e.g.: Lightning and Fang - my favorite characters - could die for all I care, if for some reason that made a much better plot, I'd be cool with it. If not, then I'd be pissed and disapointed, like you probably were with Serah)

[Leandras]

I liked Serah more in the first game too. If she isn't the center of attention she was actually quite likable. In this game they made her into a broken record.

"I have to save Lightning!" or "Lightning sacrificed everything to stop Cocoon from falling!" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!

Everything about her was just there to make her sister look cooler and that's a shame.

The ending was great though. Almost as sad as 13 but it's because the best girl died in 13.

One thing that bugs me about it is how chilled everyone was with just jumping 500 years into the future like it's no big deal. ♥♥♥♥ the old friends, Snow and Lightning. It's not like this entire game was about reuniting her.

And I'd like Lightning more if square wasn't constantly trying to convince me about how badass she must be. 13-2 gave her character more justice imho.