Witch Hunters and Triss *Spoliers*

[Distracted_Recon]

So the mission where you meet menge at the witch hunter base, you have a choice to either kill the witch hunters as soon as possible, or let triss be tortured. The video below shows what happens if you let triss be tortured. But the point I want to make is some of the comments to be had below. Just take a look at them, and you'll know what I mean. To be honest, I'm not really that protective of triss, and honestly I think the witch hunters is a cool faction. Sure, they are the bad guys and they do bad things, but the armor looks pretty sweet. And they hunt magic users, something I would probably do if I was in the witcher universe. So,what do other people feel about protecting triss and the witch hunters? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUEXS2RzI5M

[M2B]

Originally posted by Distracted_Recon:

I think the witch hunters is a cool faction. Sure, they are the bad guys and they do bad things, but the armor looks pretty sweet. And they hunt magic users, something I would probably do if I was in the witcher universe.

I had to calm myself down a bit after I read this. No, they aren't good people, and no they aren't just "bad guys". Have you not witness first hand the atrocities they commit, the ignorance in their beliefs, and the lies they spread across the land?

What do they fight for? They've cleansed the lands all in the name of what? To achieve what? And for the benefit of who? Yeah, I'll let you figure that out yourself.

The moment I say those guys, I slaughtered them like pigs and made sure they were burned alive, wouldn't let them lay a finger on Triss.

[GoneTomorrow]

Heh, they were ripping out fingernails left and right when I played that part, but only because I wanted to see how far it went. However if I were in the Witcher world I would back the magic users. How boring would it be without magic?

[Distracted_Recon]

Originally posted by SaltedQuailEggs:

Originally posted by Distracted_Recon:

I think the witch hunters is a cool faction. Sure, they are the bad guys and they do bad things, but the armor looks pretty sweet. And they hunt magic users, something I would probably do if I was in the witcher universe.

I had to calm myself down a bit after I read this. No, they aren't good people, and no they aren't just "bad guys". Have you not witness first hand the atrocities they commit, the ignorance in their beliefs, and the lies they spread across the land?

What do they fight for? They've cleansed the lands all in the name of what? To achieve what? And for the benefit of who? Yeah, I'll let you figure that out yourself.

The moment I say those guys, I slaughtered them like pigs and made sure they were burned alive, wouldn't let them lay a finger on Triss.

The organization in the game is not perfect by any means, its obvious. They could instead imprison and not execute on the spot, and go after magic users who actually did something bad. But really, I think of it as getting rid of something totally unnatural, unstable. Think about what would happen if magic like that was real. What would common folk think of people like that? what would they do to them? if you saw someone raising the dead and what not, you wouldn't be shocked? If people like that were real, they would most likely be imprisoned, or at least looked down on. just trying to think in a realistic manner here.

[Bite]

Originally posted by Distracted_Recon:

Originally posted by SaltedQuailEggs:

I had to calm myself down a bit after I read this. No, they aren't good people, and no they aren't just "bad guys". Have you not witness first hand the atrocities they commit, the ignorance in their beliefs, and the lies they spread across the land?

What do they fight for? They've cleansed the lands all in the name of what? To achieve what? And for the benefit of who? Yeah, I'll let you figure that out yourself.

The moment I say those guys, I slaughtered them like pigs and made sure they were burned alive, wouldn't let them lay a finger on Triss.

The organization in the game is not perfect by any means, its obvious. They could instead imprison and not excute on the spot, and go after magic users who actually did something bad. But really, I think of it as getting rid of something totally unnatural, unstable. Think about what would happen if magic like that was real. What would common folk think of people like that? what would they do to them? if you saw someone raising the dead and what not, you wouldn't be shocked? If people like that were real, they would most likely be imprisoned, or at least looked down on. just trying to think in a realistic manner here.

But what you're describing is exactly the reason why the middle ages was such a ♥♥♥♥ time for everyone involved. Geralt himself is the evidence that something that common folk fear can often be venomous prejudices built upon baseless terror and miscommunication from people with power.

Magic in The Witcher universe is much like science was in ours, ironically. People fear it because tradition tells them to, but mages know their moral boundaries and try to stay within them (It's not like Yen or any sorceress or sorcerer likes using Necromancy unless there's something seriously wrong with them, which is acknoledged in the world, too).

[Bite]

Hey, I remembered this quote from The Last Wish and found it a bit fitting for this whole discussion.

“People," Geralt turned his head, "like to invent monsters and monstrosities. Then they seem less monstrous themselves. When they get blind-drunk, cheat, steal, beat their wives, starve an old woman, when they kill a trapped fox with an axe or riddle the last existing unicorn with arrows, they like to think that the Bane entering cottages at daybreak is more monstrous than they are. They feel better then. They find it easier to live.”

Of course it's easier to point fingers at any magic user and call it a day, the witch hunters are built on hollow principles of unjustified hate. Sure, magic needs to be controlled, but killing everyone who knows about it left and right is just not the way to go, much less for the reasons the witch hunters do it.

[Gabriel Angelos]

Originally posted by Distracted_Recon:

So the mission where you meet menge at the witch hunter base, you have a choice to either kill the witch hunters as soon as possible, or let triss be tortured. The video below shows what happens if you let triss be tortured. But the point I want to make is some of the comments to be had below. Just take a look at them, and you'll know what I mean. To be honest, I'm not really that protective of triss, and honestly I think the witch hunters is a cool faction. Sure, they are the bad guys and they do bad things, but the armor looks pretty sweet. And they hunt magic users, something I would probably do if I was in the witcher universe. So,what do other people feel about protecting triss and the witch hunters? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUEXS2RzI5M

I let her get tortured as that is what we agreed beforehand. We were out to find Dandelion and thus Ciri so sacrifices had to be made. The game also allows you to come over very convincingly. I picked all those options such as; Triss used me for the Lodge's plans etc. Ofc it wasn't my wish that she should be tortured cruelly but i was angry with Triss since the end of Witcher 2 when the veil was drawn back and all the lies were revealed.

The Witch hunters are nothing better than say the inquistiion of medieval times. As long as they have a scapegoat to persecute everything is fine, people tend to ignore such factions until it is too late and they come knocking on their door with a noose.

[Soz Alface]

I don´t like Triss in the slightest, but seen has you don´t need to torture her to get the info anyway, I don´t see the point.

You only need her to get in the base, after that you just start cutting down everyone.
I let her be tortured once to see what I would gain with it, and it is basicaly nothing.

Although, she could just end it at any time because she never is in danger. The dimeritium is fake and she is not alone in there, so she is never in danger and she is in control of the situation.
So her screaming next door also didn´t affect me like CDPR was expecting from the players.

What I get from this is that it is a big fail attempt from Triss to look as compromised in saving Ciri as Yen was in Lady of the Lake. Which basicaly is incomparable.


Regarding the Witch Hunters.
They are the image of human nature. Everything different or unkown is bad and has to be destroyed. Religion allways was the big promotor of this way of "thinking". Not that religion itself is the cause, but the individuals who use it are.

It is the already old strategy of fear used by many rulers along the ages. Fear rules people.
People with power control the masses with fear strategies. This is as old as humanity.

[Tirigon]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

And being a witcher would not spare Geralt from their "cleansing" as they'd happily dispose of alchemists, herbalists and witchers given enough time.

Menge actually says so. When you meet him he pretty much straight-up tells Geralt that he wants to kill him but because there are still some laws he sadly cant, until Geralt gives him an excuse.

[PekaSovereign]

Witch hunters are good boys, they dindu nuffin.