Performance Bottleneck is *not* GPU or CPU?

[Jinx]

Something strange is going on with this game. I'm at 65% GPU and 25% CPU and still not topping off to 60fps. Enabling FSR/DLSS has 0 effect on framerate, though it lowers GPU usage slightly of course.

So what's the bottleneck? I'm on an NVME SSD, 32GB 3600 DDR4.

Also, 1% lows are still stuttery as hell and there's terrible lag.

Mind you this is all just on Ultra with no RT whatsoever on my 3060ti at 1440p. (3700x GPU)

I think there might just be something fundamentally broken here.

[OOFleming]

I agree, people saying you need a 4000 series card for the RT are just bragging because they own one, it simply isn't the case as fps stays pretty much the same no matter the detail so something is broken in the engine, also the varied performance reports from people with similar hardware are having different results which screams game issue!

[V_]

Originally posted by OOFleming:

I agree, people saying you need a 4000 series card for the RT are just bragging because they own one, it simply isn't the case as fps stays pretty much the same no matter the detail so something is broken in the engine, also the varied performance reports from people with similar hardware are having different results which screams game issue!

This worked for me to further improve performance, going to paste it from another poster “ swap the nvngx_dlss.dll file with a newer version. i used the 2.4.6.0 version and my fps is way better

to swap the file go to where you installed the game > bin > x64_dx12 > and swap the nvngx_dlss.dll with a newer version”.

You can either download this file from techpowerup or transfer it from another game that has DLSS, I transferred it from CP2077. Getting like 15% better performance. You may get more or less.

[Jinx]

Originally posted by V_:

Originally posted by OOFleming:

I agree, people saying you need a 4000 series card for the RT are just bragging because they own one, it simply isn't the case as fps stays pretty much the same no matter the detail so something is broken in the engine, also the varied performance reports from people with similar hardware are having different results which screams game issue!

This worked for me to further improve performance, going to paste it from another poster “ swap the nvngx_dlss.dll file with a newer version. i used the 2.4.6.0 version and my fps is way better

to swap the file go to where you installed the game > bin > x64_dx12 > and swap the nvngx_dlss.dll with a newer version”.

You can either download this file from techpowerup or transfer it from another game that has DLSS, I transferred it from CP2077. Getting like 15% better performance. You may get more or less.

DLSS doesn't help this issue. It's for reducing GPU usage and if your GPU already isn't being maxed it doesn't help. Turning it or FSR on have 0 effect on my performance, it just changes GPU utilization from 65 to 60 percent.

[Icy1007]

Originally posted by Jinx:

Something strange is going on with this game. I'm at 65% GPU and 25% CPU and still not topping off to 60fps. Enabling FSR/DLSS has 0 effect on framerate, though it lowers GPU usage slightly of course.

So what's the bottleneck? I'm on an NVME SSD, 32GB 3600 DDR4.

Also, 1% lows are still stuttery as hell and there's terrible lag.

Mind you this is all just on Ultra with no RT whatsoever on my 3060ti at 1440p. (3700x GPU)

I think there might just be something fundamentally broken here.

If changing the graphics settings/lowering the resolution doesn't affect the performance then it is a CPU bottleneck.

[Jinx]

Originally posted by Icy1007:

Originally posted by Jinx:

Something strange is going on with this game. I'm at 65% GPU and 25% CPU and still not topping off to 60fps. Enabling FSR/DLSS has 0 effect on framerate, though it lowers GPU usage slightly of course.

So what's the bottleneck? I'm on an NVME SSD, 32GB 3600 DDR4.

Also, 1% lows are still stuttery as hell and there's terrible lag.

Mind you this is all just on Ultra with no RT whatsoever on my 3060ti at 1440p. (3700x GPU)

I think there might just be something fundamentally broken here.

If changing the graphics settings/lowering the resolution doesn't affect the performance then it is a CPU bottleneck.

My CPU is only at about 25% usage. Maybe it's just atrociously optimized for multicore CPUs? (3700x here)

[Icy1007]

Originally posted by OOFleming:

I agree, people saying you need a 4000 series card for the RT are just bragging because they own one, it simply isn't the case as fps stays pretty much the same no matter the detail so something is broken in the engine, also the varied performance reports from people with similar hardware are having different results which screams game issue!

Performance changes for me when I lower/raise the graphics settings... It's not an engine issue with regards to the settings.

There may be a threading issue with the game. single-thread performance seems to make a big difference.

[Icy1007]

Originally posted by Jinx:

Originally posted by Icy1007:

If changing the graphics settings/lowering the resolution doesn't affect the performance then it is a CPU bottleneck.

My CPU is only at about 25% usage. Maybe it's just atrociously optimized for multicore CPUs? (3700x here)

CPU utilization being low does not mean it isn't CPU bottlenecked.

[envirovore]

Originally posted by V_:

Originally posted by OOFleming:

I agree, people saying you need a 4000 series card for the RT are just bragging because they own one, it simply isn't the case as fps stays pretty much the same no matter the detail so something is broken in the engine, also the varied performance reports from people with similar hardware are having different results which screams game issue!

This worked for me to further improve performance, going to paste it from another poster “ swap the nvngx_dlss.dll file with a newer version. i used the 2.4.6.0 version and my fps is way better

to swap the file go to where you installed the game > bin > x64_dx12 > and swap the nvngx_dlss.dll with a newer version”.

You can either download this file from techpowerup or transfer it from another game that has DLSS, I transferred it from CP2077. Getting like 15% better performance. You may get more or less.

How's 2.4.6 look in game? I was going to swap up to that as it seems to work best in cp2077 IMO as well (over the 2.3.5 version they updated it to), just haven't done so yet.

[envirovore]

Originally posted by Icy1007:

Originally posted by Jinx:

Something strange is going on with this game. I'm at 65% GPU and 25% CPU and still not topping off to 60fps. Enabling FSR/DLSS has 0 effect on framerate, though it lowers GPU usage slightly of course.

So what's the bottleneck? I'm on an NVME SSD, 32GB 3600 DDR4.

Also, 1% lows are still stuttery as hell and there's terrible lag.

Mind you this is all just on Ultra with no RT whatsoever on my 3060ti at 1440p. (3700x GPU)

I think there might just be something fundamentally broken here.

If changing the graphics settings/lowering the resolution doesn't affect the performance then it is a CPU bottleneck.

I just want to thank you for saying this.
Tried to advise someone the same thing in cp2077 when they couldn't figure out why they were stuck at 70fps with little GPU load and was met with 'my CPU isn't 100% so therefore it's not bottlenecked'... apparently not knowing your cpu doesn't need to show 100% load it to be the case.

[DeathClawDC]

Originally posted by Icy1007:

Originally posted by Jinx:

My CPU is only at about 25% usage. Maybe it's just atrociously optimized for multicore CPUs? (3700x here)

CPU utilization being low does not mean it isn't CPU bottlenecked.

hey aren't you the same guy who said you were getting 4k60fps without posting any specs or proof?

[Mamba out]

i believe its just a bad patch, needs some updates

[xtremeLinux]

I have a 4090 and 13900k, but I can also say the performance went to crap. Yes, the game works, but the FPS is not good. It dropped between 30% to 50% from the original from yesterday. It is obviously not who has a 4090 can play, but a need for performance optimizations across the board. Game should not be for me and anyone with a 4090, it should be optimize to the point of anyone with 5+ year old graphics card to be able to play a 7+ year old game. Just my 2 cents.

[DeathClawDC]

Originally posted by CYREX:

I have a 4090 and 13900k, but I can also say the performance went to crap. Yes, the game works, but the FPS is not good. It dropped between 30% to 50% from the original from yesterday. It is obviously not who has a 4090 can play, but a need for performance optimizations across the board. Game should not be for me and anyone with a 4090, it should be optimize to the point of anyone with 5+ year old graphics card to be able to play a 7+ year old game. Just my 2 cents.

well that would take away the exclusive next gen feeling from everyone then

[lackesis]

Originally posted by OOFleming:

I agree, people saying you need a 4000 series card for the RT are just bragging because they own one, it simply isn't the case as fps stays pretty much the same no matter the detail so something is broken in the engine, also the varied performance reports from people with similar hardware are having different results which screams game issue!

No, you need 4000 series for "frame generation"
You don't need 4090, but you need 4000 series for "frame generation".
Right now only "frame generation" can ignore the DX12 and CPU bound problems.

[Invader Shock]

Originally posted by CYREX:

I have a 4090 and 13900k, but I can also say the performance went to crap. Yes, the game works, but the FPS is not good. It dropped between 30% to 50% from the original from yesterday. It is obviously not who has a 4090 can play, but a need for performance optimizations across the board. Game should not be for me and anyone with a 4090, it should be optimize to the point of anyone with 5+ year old graphics card to be able to play a 7+ year old game. Just my 2 cents.

Got a 4090 as well and I agree FPS is horrible even with this card I cant image what its running like on other pcs they messed up bad on optmization