3 easter eggs that Witcher-fanbase still don't know of

[Raudo Testoman]

I gave up few years back trying to convice people or have a decent conversation around some of these subjects. Some people are just too set in their way of seeing how Witcher-saga should play out.
But this thread gets regularly necroed and this forum doesn't seem to have any sort of moderation. So i've decided to rewrite the whole original post because it simply wasn't, well, good enough.

Im not going to post any screenshots or quotes from the books. You'll simply have to keep these things in the back of your head when you are wading through the saga once more.


First easter egg: Triss Merigold is dead.

Andrzej Sapkowski made fools of his readers. There never was Triss Merigold of Maribor in the whole saga. And i mean all the eight books and three games. Lytta Neyd has been impersonating Triss the whole time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/9fzm57/the_greatest_easter_egg_ever_the_identity_of/
I did write about this on Reddit few years back, but eventually the topic was closed due inactivity.

So basicly what happened is that on the Sodden Hill Triss Merigold of Maribor exploded into unrecognizable pieces. Lytta Neyd was burned so badly that she could not be recognized either. So a mistake was made by the Sodden healers, Coral was restored with Triss Merigolds appearance.
The reason why she never corrected this mistake is that she fell in love with Geralt during the Season of Storms book and simply wanted another chance.
Season of Storms takes place between 1st and 2nd book. If you read Season of Storms after Lady of the Lake, you are doing it wrong.



Second easter egg: Geralt and Cirilla slept together during The Witcher 3

This is what original post was about and it gets some people really upset. Alot of fans see Geralt and Ciri in a father-daughter relationship and want nothing to do with this idea.

But there is a single reason for this intercourse: Sapkowski wrote during A Question of Price-story that virgins cannot control the Elder Blood power.

Princess Pavetta during her birthday party lost conrol of her power.
Cirilla during the battle of Kaer Morhen lost control of her power when Vesemir died.

By the way, Pavetta was unable to control her power but was also pregnant as it was later in the book revealed. This would seem to null my argument but it doesn't. I will tell you about Pavetta's pregnancy in the 3rd easter egg.

First Sapkowski writes on his book that virgins cannot control the power but few pages later he writes that the girl is pregnant. This is deliberate from Sapkowski, he begins building a easter egg here.
Also i doubt that there is an author in the world who would make this kind of mistake.

So, Cirilla lost control of her power when Vesemir died. But at the end of the W3: Wild Hunt she uses her Power of the Elder Blood to end the White Frost. This means that she lost her virginity after the battle of Kaer Morhen.
It happened after the fight with Crones and Imlerith, before returning to Novigrad. Pay attention to the travel time from Bald Mountain back to Novigrad when playing the game. It is 7 days. It is here where the two had their quality time.

The dialog choices during the W3 only determines her survival, wether of not she comes back from the White Frost.
Her ability to control the Elder Blood is solved by other means. And player cannot affect this. She always gains control of her power. No matter of the player choices.



Third easter egg: Triumvirate theory - Emhyr's exile years and Pavetta's pregnancy

If you go to Witcher-wiki and try to search info on Emhyr's exile years, you'll find nothing. This is where wiki hits complete blank. But it is actually possible to figure out where he was, with whom and what he did during this time. You'll just have to sherlock the ♥♥♥♥ out of the saga.

https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

1228 Emhyr was exiled when he was 13 years old
1237 next time he is seen in Cintran forest, demanding Law of Suprise from King Roegner
1252 he appears at Pavetta's party demanding her hand

He was exiled around 24 years. And let me tell you that he did not roam around forests.


To get this easter egg going you'll have to use simple logic. Alot of this easter egg is about using deductions and logic in fact. So....

Emhyr is exiled and cursed, what would he do?
Being cursed, he would seek help from powerful mage.
Being exiled monarch, he would seek asylum from a nation friendly to Nilfgaard.

Witcher-saga has a nation friendly towards Nilfgaard and the leader of this nation is also powerful mage. Ring a bell?

Emhyr did not roam around forests when he was exiled, he immediately sought asylum from Dol Blathanna, from Francesca Findabairs court. If he had any sort of curse on him, im sure Findabair lifted it.

Now we have to make a wild assumption. An assumption that Francesca Findabair introduced Ithlinne's Prophecy to Emhyr, who was teenager at the time. Maybe 14 or 15.
Why would she do this? For two reasons. First, the Elder Blood was already mixed to the human genes. Second, she recognized Emhyr becoming in the future the most powerful man in the world.
So she simply saw Emhyr as a "savior" of the Ithlinne's Prophecy. So from this point forward, when Emhyr was teenager, all he did was towards fulfilling the Prophecy in his own imperial bloodline.


But now Emhyr and Francesca have two problems:
First, the only bearer of the Gene is Queen Calanthe. So marriage between Emhyr and Calanthe is simply impossible.
Second, Emhyr is exiled teenager and Francesca is queen of the Elves, so neither can go meddling around Cintran court.

The solution to the second problem is to have someone who can go meddling around human courts. And this is when i believe Francesca introduced Yennefer to teenager Emhyr. This is when the Triumvirate is formed. Emhyr, Yennefer and Francesca. For the purpose of fulfilling Ithlinne's Prophecy in Emhyr's bloodline.

The solution to the first problem is simply to wait for Calanthe and Roegner to have offspring. Now you begin to understand why Emhyr was exiled for so long. First Triumvirate had to wait for 9 years for Calanthe to get pregnant and then another 15 years so that Emhyr could go demand Pavetta's hand.

The Law of Suprise between Emhyr and Pavetta was obviously fake. Francesca and Yennefer, with their magic, cause Roegner accident and teleport Emhyr to Cintra. Probably caused Calanthe's labour too. And so you have fake Law of Suprice between Emhyr and Pavetta.
Or would you rather believe that Emhyr spent 24 years roaming randomly around forests, relying on blind luck to have his curse lifted? The whole curse is plain copy of Cinderella story anyway.

Triumvirate knew that Calanthe would oppose Emhyrs claim for Pavetta's hand. So with Yennefer's and Francesca's help, Emhyr begin courting Pavetta a year before her 15th birthday.
Triumvirate could not take any risks however, and so they ended up inseminating Pavetta.
I know this sounds weird, but this is the logical way how Pavetta was both pregnant and unable to control her Power. She never had an intercourse but yet was pregnant.

And it is Sapkowski's own writing that both abortions and insemination is possible in the Witcher lore. Insemination was what Vilgefortz was planning to do to Cirilla after he captured her.

Right after Emhyr and Pavetta were married, he begin to prepare his return to Nilfgaard. Preparations taking for few years. But because there wasn't real connection between Emhyr and Pavetta, she grew distrusful towards Emhyr. And at critical moment Triumvirate's plan failed when Pavetta send Cirilla away from the ship which was supposed to carry them to Nilfgaard.
And so Emhyr had to wage several wars against the Norther Realms. To get his hands on the bearer of the Elder Gene.
Of course the secondary goal of the wars was unify all the kingdoms and then plant Cirilla on the throne.



Thats it, thats all i have to say.
It is very hard to figure out these easter eggs because they span on the whole saga. And you have to do Sherlock or Poirot class brainstretching too.

PS.
Over the course of years while this topic has been running, i've seen every possible insult people on the internet can muster. So don't bother with them if you don't have anything else to say.

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

That was Thecla at Bald Mountain who asks Ciri point-blank:

"Never had a man? Mff. *takes a deep sniff* Never mind, got me answer."

Okay, it's not proof exactly that she's no virgin. But even the books, although the OP clearly misunderstood what they said, stated that someone who was a virgin, someone who was untouched, would not be able to use the Force. Ciri has been using her powers certainly for some years now. While she may not be able to control them for much of the game, she is most definitely using them.

Oh and the King of the Wild Hunt wasn't impotent. He and Ciri had sex for quite a while but failed to produce a child. It wasn't due to his inability but rather his lack of interest in Ciri. His infertility to produce an offspring with a human which is what led to his death -- the potion that was supposed to make him more virile and fertile since the mere thought of having sex with Ciri turned his stomach.

The Galahad thing was gone into some detail through a short story written by Sapkowski for the wedding of some friends of his. It was called "Something Ends, Something Begins" -- nothing to do with the final quest of the game. In it, Geralt and Yen marry, but Ciri also is told by Galahad that he pledges his life to her to which she is none too pleased. And yet she did have a huge crush on him, as she did Eredin.

I don't know if it's possible to "smell" a virgin but I somehow don't think she would have said that if her sniff hadn't told her Ciri was no longer one. I don't believe she would be able to use powers fully if she still were a virgin since that much was made very clear in the books.

Yes, it was said in books that virgins can't use magic. Know who said it? Ermion. "The mask will destroy entire isles" magic expert. It was later said by Yennifer to be complete and utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, as Ciri herlself illusrtrated.

King of the Wild Hunt, or, more accurately, commander of Red Riders, isn't impotent, but previous king was. Eredin used to supply him with powerful aphrodosiacs and narcotics, yet he still wasn't able to ♥♥♥♥ Ciri. Not being infertile, but simply unable to perform the act. It went to extent of Ciri wondering if something is wrong with her. Then Eredin got fed up with it and poisoned the king.

And "Something ends, something begins" isn't canon. Was stated by author multiple times. Like Geralt and Yennifer wedding didn't give it away

As for scene at Bald mountain, it doesn't say anything directly. Just that she "got her answer". I suspect it's on purpose.

[Fantredath]

Those of you that think of this as Incest are forgetting 1 very important fact.

Geralt and Ciri are not Related by Blood.

Secondly, it's a well documented fact, that throughout History, Older men have Married Younger women.

The reasoning behind this was that, a young woman, will in time, Learn to Love the man she Married.

A lot of People See marriage as something that people do because "They Love Eachother", but, in point of fact, for the vast majority of human history, Marriage was'nt about Love, it was about Economics.

People got Married, so that they would have Financial Stability, and some one they could Rely on to stay with them as they grew older.

With our modern change in Views, we have Romanticized Marriage, but, Instead of leading to more Stable Marriages, it has actually led to more Men abandoning their Wives, when their wives get Old, or the other way around with Women looking for the BBD (Bigger Better Deal).

While there's always an amount of Amorousness in these Relationships, it's the Economic parts that often Keep people together, while the Sex, or lack there of, can Drive people Apart.

Personally, while I think Geralt might have Sex with Ciri, I think he loves her like a Daughter, so it's unlikely they would get Married.

These Issues, and Discussing them did'nt cause anywhere near as much Strife as it does today, during Ancient times, because ever since the advent of Science proved that Inbreeding can lead to Debilitating birth Defects, the human race has pushed Family Sex a.k.a. "Incest", as being Evil, Wrong, Disgusting, and Degenerate.

However, do some research, and you'll find that it's far more common then you would believe, and it's only because we have as a species decided to make it Taboo, that it does'nt happen more Frequently.

Understand a Taboo isn't Necessarily something that's Wrong by Nature, it's Something we've chosen to Portray as Wrong, because of an agenda, one in this case of not wanting to have Birth Defects.

Virtually all Taboo's are like this. They're a set of Beliefs and Behaviors, adopted because we learned something that made us change our attitudes as a Species.

In the End, this conversation likely won't mean anything, but, with the advent of Genetic Manipulation, it becomes ever more likely that we can eliminate all Birth Defects, and with that Ability, you will more then likely see a Rise in the amount of "Incest", that occurs in the world, no matter what you "Feel" about it.

[dannyj147]

Originally posted by Fantredath:

Those of you that think of this as Incest are forgetting 1 very important fact.

Geralt and Ciri are not Related by Blood.

Secondly, it's a well documented fact, that throughout History, Older men have Married Younger women.

The reasoning behind this was that, a young woman, will in time, Learn to Love the man she Married.

A lot of People See marriage as something that people do because "They Love Eachother", but, in point of fact, for the vast majority of human history, Marriage was'nt about Love, it was about Economics.

People got Married, so that they would have Financial Stability, and some one they could Rely on to stay with them as they grew older.

With our modern change in Views, we have Romanticized Marriage, but, Instead of leading to more Stable Marriages, it has actually led to more Men abandoning their Wives, when their wives get Old, or the other way around with Women looking for the BBD (Bigger Better Deal).

While there's always an amount of Amorousness in these Relationships, it's the Economic parts that often Keep people together, while the Sex, or lack there of, can Drive people Apart.

Personally, while I think Geralt might have Sex with Ciri, I think he loves her like a Daughter, so it's unlikely they would get Married.

These Issues, and Discussing them did'nt cause anywhere near as much Strife as it does today, during Ancient times, because ever since the advent of Science proved that Inbreeding can lead to Debilitating birth Defects, the human race has pushed Family Sex a.k.a. "Incest", as being Evil, Wrong, Disgusting, and Degenerate.

However, do some research, and you'll find that it's far more common then you would believe, and it's only because we have as a species decided to make it Taboo, that it does'nt happen more Frequently.

Understand a Taboo isn't Necessarily something that's Wrong by Nature, it's Something we've chosen to Portray as Wrong, because of an agenda, one in this case of not wanting to have Birth Defects.

Virtually all Taboo's are like this. They're a set of Beliefs and Behaviors, adopted because we learned something that made us change our attitudes as a Species.

In the End, this conversation likely won't mean anything, but, with the advent of Genetic Manipulation, it becomes ever more likely that we can eliminate all Birth Defects, and with that Ability, you will more then likely see a Rise in the amount of "Incest", that occurs in the world, no matter what you "Feel" about it.

They may not be related by blood but Geralts feelings are that of a father figure towards Ciri. That's my interpretation anyway. For me there are zero romantic feelings between them.

[Morsk]

Originally posted by sjrekis:

Wow this is so far fetched as the most disturbing conspiracy theories out there

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[[TPPL] King Leonidas]

be cool if we also learned if the potion in witcher 2 worked with gerralts inferitlilty

[Gabriel Angelos]

Bloody hell what a twisted way of viewing a guardian/child relationship.

He is her adopted father, maybe not biological but I can assure you the vast majority of those men don't screw their adopted daughters.

The OP is pure nonsense, he fails right in the first paragraphs.

Mousesack tells Geralt that Pavetta shouldn't be able to use the Power as she is still a virgin. Then he mutters, " ah kids nowadays" or some such nonsense as it occurs to him that Duny has been pumping her for over a year.

We learn at the end of the banquet that Pavetta is indeed pregnant from Duny ( with Ciri ).

Ciri is abe to use her powers long before the events in Witcher 3 so what does that tell you?

She isn't a virgin.

[Abdelhazred]

Originally posted by Mumm-Ra:

Bloody hell what a twisted way of viewing a guardian/child relationship.

I have no idea why I skimmed this thread but thanks but for making my morning. Great quote.

I do feel that everyone needs to be reminded however that Geralt will plow anything that moves. And they aren't related. And he's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the head and feels unloved. Now I want to nail Ciri just to upset Yen further, preferably on her bed or on her clothes.

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by Abdelhazred:

Originally posted by Mumm-Ra:

Bloody hell what a twisted way of viewing a guardian/child relationship.

I have no idea why I skimmed this thread but thanks but for making my morning. Great quote.

I do feel that everyone needs to be reminded however that Geralt will plow anything that moves. And they aren't related. And he's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the head and feels unloved. Now I want to nail Ciri just to upset Yen further, preferably on her bed or on her clothes.

WHy don't you get into porn games or something? I'm sure there are some out there if you are THAT desperate for it in video games.

[Abdelhazred]

Originally posted by sjrekis:

Originally posted by Abdelhazred:

I have no idea why I skimmed this thread but thanks but for making my morning. Great quote.

I do feel that everyone needs to be reminded however that Geralt will plow anything that moves. And they aren't related. And he's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the head and feels unloved. Now I want to nail Ciri just to upset Yen further, preferably on her bed or on her clothes.

WHy don't you get into porn games or something? I'm sure there are some out there if you are THAT desperate for it in video games.

Attacking the user instead of the argument? I just watch porn.

I'm also not that invested in this discussion; I just hate Yen and question of Geralt's morality amuses me.

[Morsk]

Originally posted by sjrekis:

WHy don't you get into porn games or something? I'm sure there are some out there if you are THAT desperate for it in video games.

You seem unaware that most shipping and erotic fiction is written by women for women, and has nothing to do with pornography. It's also extremely popular, and completely normalized, even for older children. (Twilight, anyone?)

I hope you have a very nice rock to hide under, because there are only going to be more sexual relationships in media going forward.

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by Morsk:

Originally posted by sjrekis:

WHy don't you get into porn games or something? I'm sure there are some out there if you are THAT desperate for it in video games.

You seem unaware that most shipping and erotic fiction is written by women for women, and has nothing to do with pornography. It's also extremely popular, and completely normalized, even for older children. (Twilight, anyone?)

I hope you have a very nice rock to hide under, because there are only going to be more sexual relationships in media going forward.

Yeah, esp with your surrogate daughters. Go you!

[Morsk]

Originally posted by sjrekis:

Yeah, esp with your surrogate daughters. Go you!

Fiction is not reality. I don't care for Geralt/Ciri, but a lot of romance is edgy or weird on purpose, and it isn't supposed to be taken seriously, any more than fictional violence is. Edward Cullen is 100 years old, sparkles in the sunlight, and isn't human. That's mainstream fiction.

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by Morsk:

Originally posted by sjrekis:

Yeah, esp with your surrogate daughters. Go you!

Fiction is not reality. I don't care for Geralt/Ciri, but a lot of romance is edgy or weird on purpose, and it isn't supposed to be taken seriously, any more than fictional violence is. Edward Cullen is 100 years old, sparkles in the sunlight, and isn't human. That's mainstream fiction.

Yeah, lets introduce incest next, because hell, if we go there, lets go full throtle - its fiction after all!

[[TPPL] King Leonidas]

Originally posted by sjrekis:

Originally posted by Morsk:

Fiction is not reality. I don't care for Geralt/Ciri, but a lot of romance is edgy or weird on purpose, and it isn't supposed to be taken seriously, any more than fictional violence is. Edward Cullen is 100 years old, sparkles in the sunlight, and isn't human. That's mainstream fiction.

Yeah, lets introduce incest next, because hell, if we go there, lets go full throtle - its fiction after all!

Can we please stay civil. if you want to argue if incest is wrong or not go on another thread.

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by LNG King Leonidas:

Originally posted by sjrekis:

Yeah, lets introduce incest next, because hell, if we go there, lets go full throtle - its fiction after all!

Can we please stay civil. if you want to argue if incest is wrong or not go on another thread.

This IS what this whole thread is about it. Gamers dropping the veil of shame and coming out with their wild fantasies. I'd understand a bit BDSM etc, but going pseudo-incest... thats beyond me.