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elderwurm Dec 5, 2017 @ 8:27am
Why is new Korean leader Queen Seondeok?
She is known as one of the worst leader in whole Korean history. It's like putting Nero as Roman Leader or setting Nixon as American Leader. As a Korean, I must ask the reason for selecting Queen Seondeok as the leader in Civ6. I would rather accept Myung-Sung Empress as the female leader..
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SamBC Dec 5, 2017 @ 8:49am 
The TV show (presumably rather loosely) based on her was apparently pretty popular... and sounds like it cast her in a pretty good light.
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weraptor Dec 5, 2017 @ 9:02am 
Why is she perceived as a bad ruler?
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harrjei Dec 5, 2017 @ 9:09am 
Originally posted by SamBC:
The TV show (presumably rather loosely) based on her was apparently pretty popular... and sounds like it cast her in a pretty good light.

Can we expect reality TV hosts for alternate leaders? :steamhappy:
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Zigge Dec 5, 2017 @ 9:17am 
Update on the confusions of those who is confused.

Originally posted by Weraptor:
Why is she perceived as a bad ruler?


From a fellow reddit user:

"A Korean fellow on a different forum just told me that there's a severe disconnect between academic and popular perceptions of her- apparently Joseon scholars did a number on her which has led to the popular/old-fashioned perception of her as a bad ruler being common, but academics have changed their mind and regard her pretty highly. So I'd take what you hear with a pinch of salt." - Lion_And_Sun, https://www.reddit.com/user/Lion_And_Sun
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Lady Crimson (RIP) Dec 5, 2017 @ 2:48pm 
I love it, and it's a new direction rather than simply repeating leaders already used. Personally I love the Admiral Yi Sun who designed the turtle ships.. but he never tecnically led Korea (infact they stripped his rank several times), still would be a wonderful alt though.
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elderwurm Dec 5, 2017 @ 3:03pm 
Ok. Based on academic review, Queen Seondeok was pretty much concerned about buddism only, and didn't do much for the military and put to much effort building Hwang-Ryong - Tower.. Lost a lot of viliages (some says she lost 100 viliages), and damaged Shin-la's economy.
Last edited by elderwurm; Dec 5, 2017 @ 11:00pm
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elderwurm Dec 5, 2017 @ 3:06pm 
Her only accepted achievement is the Hwang-Ryong - Tower. and nothing else. Who would want a leader who ignores whatever happening and build one's own wonder only?
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SamBC Dec 5, 2017 @ 3:14pm 
Originally posted by elderwurm:
Her only accepted achievement is the Hwang-Ryong - Tower. and nothing else. Who would want a leader who ignores whatever happening and build one's own wonder only?
English-language sources seem to be rather more positive. Plus it sounds like that TV show was, but it's hard to be sure from a synopsis.
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Elliott Dec 5, 2017 @ 5:25pm 
I like the leader choice but I'm not too impressed by her design. Shes looks like she would fit in more in Civ V with its more realistic leaders. Certainly looks abit boring next to the larger than life exaggerated leaders like Cleopatra, Roosevelt or Philip II.

A shame because the dlc leaders have been really good especially ones like Amanitore and Cyrus
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kyroshill Dec 6, 2017 @ 11:15am 
Originally posted by Viraldi:
Originally posted by SamBC:
The TV show (presumably rather loosely) based on her was apparently pretty popular... and sounds like it cast her in a pretty good light.

Can we expect reality TV hosts for alternate leaders? :steamhappy:


You're fired! :steamsalty:
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4thQueen Dec 6, 2017 @ 11:31am 
Originally posted by SamBC:
Originally posted by elderwurm:
Her only accepted achievement is the Hwang-Ryong - Tower. and nothing else. Who would want a leader who ignores whatever happening and build one's own wonder only?
English-language sources seem to be rather more positive. Plus it sounds like that TV show was, but it's hard to be sure from a synopsis.
I challenge you to find positive korean reactions to this leader.
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Paulytnz Dec 6, 2017 @ 11:38pm 
My guess - she's female, they have a thing for females in this civ and even said so in the upcoming expansion video.....

Edit: My bad not in the video, in the description info.
Last edited by Paulytnz; Dec 6, 2017 @ 11:44pm
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Kolya Dec 7, 2017 @ 2:55am 
Choice of leader aside, it might have been a nice idea to make her look, I dunno, Korean?

She doesn't even look Asian really.
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elderwurm Dec 7, 2017 @ 8:08am 
Ok. Let me tell you about the truth behind the Queen Seondeok. Originally, Queen Seondeok never have been treated as a great person before 200X. I read hundreds of biographies, but never seen a single biography about her in my childhood: I had seen Sim Sa-in-dang, Huh Nan-sul-hun, Nun-Gae and Empress Myung-Sung biographies.

However, Queen Seondeok was designed to be a great person to support the impeached president Park.

Since impeached president Park hated Empress Myung-Sung for the empress had been assassinated by Japanese bullies, there was no famous female leader to match and make good image of impeached president Park before/after the election. And as impeached president Park was the owner of MBC, the MBC made the drama Queen Seondeok.. for the image of the impeached president Park.

So, to the many Koreans, Queen Seondeok remind of impeached president Park, who is accepted as the worst leader ever ruled South Korea.

P.S. By the way, all the Koreans know the Drama Queen Seondeok is pure fantasy, like Tae-Wang-Sa-Shin-Gi.
Last edited by elderwurm; Dec 7, 2017 @ 8:11am
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Volon Dec 7, 2017 @ 10:59am 
Originally posted by elderwurm:
Ok. Let me tell you about the truth behind the Queen Seondeok. Originally, Queen Seondeok never have been treated as a great person before 200X. I read hundreds of biographies, but never seen a single biography about her in my childhood: I had seen Sim Sa-in-dang, Huh Nan-sul-hun, Nun-Gae and Empress Myung-Sung biographies.

However, Queen Seondeok was designed to be a great person to support the impeached president Park.

Since impeached president Park hated Empress Myung-Sung for the empress had been assassinated by Japanese bullies, there was no famous female leader to match and make good image of impeached president Park before/after the election. And as impeached president Park was the owner of MBC, the MBC made the drama Queen Seondeok.. for the image of the impeached president Park.

So, to the many Koreans, Queen Seondeok remind of impeached president Park, who is accepted as the worst leader ever ruled South Korea.

P.S. By the way, all the Koreans know the Drama Queen Seondeok is pure fantasy, like Tae-Wang-Sa-Shin-Gi.

Thanks for your perspective. the unlucky part is that now the international players who are enjoying Civ6 might regard her as a great political figure in Korean history...
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