Mio seems pretty strong

[Nailkaiser]

I don't get it. 6HP, decent but not great battle stats, 5 REC, and that hyper. It's a lot to have on one character. Wouldn't she do fine with 5HP or 6 REC at least? Or a range limit on the hyper.

Would make a longer argument but I've been up for like 2 days and I'm not thinking straight. Off to bed.

[mds2005]

the range on the hyper is when the path has a turn <.<

She doesn't have a passive so I think she's fine

[Laluzi]

I mean, if you look at her stats... she's got Hime/Sumika stats plus 1hp and minus 1atk, which are on the high end but definitely not overpowered. Many characters with worse statlines have some kind of passive to make up for them (and atk/hp/evd seem to be valued more than def and rec.) I think we need to see how powerful the hyper is in practice before talking nerfs, because as it is, it's incredibly expensive, can be countered by bullying Mio and staying on her space, and definitely makes or breaks depending on the map used. Dark Citadel or Highway heist, yeah - it's cruel. But on something like Ocean Dive? Have fun hitting anyone with that.

It's also more of a comeback hyper than it is a build-the-lead hyper. But I haven't seen it used enough to get a feel for how easy it is to play on the player you want to kill.

It's got a sweet animation, though.

[Nailkaiser]

Originally posted by mds2005:

the range on the hyper is when the path has a turn <.<

She doesn't have a passive so I think she's fine

Yeah but that's a pretty long path on many maps. For the short time I tried her I trivially blew up two people who were trying to avoid me in one shot and then all three in the next shot. There isn't a whole lot you can do in terms of counterplay in some situations and it's a guaranteed kill plus full star steal when it does line up. If you could do literally anything to fight back it wouldn't be so bad. Compare it to other strong, "high likelihood to kill" hypers like specs and accel and at least those have meaningful counterplay besides frantically running away the whole match.

Originally posted by Laluzi:

bully

Yeah until you roll lower one turn or she dashes. Now that you mention it, I wonder what it would be like if she dropped her hyper when she died. Not presenting it as a balance option, just think it would shift some pressure back to her.

Also consider that Mio has setups that can basically force people into this bad situation. Example: Party Time, it lands on a line somewhere, everyone is forced to act first, everyone gets blown up next turn.

[TheCopperCoin]

I agree. Playing Mio was really fun in single player when cpus would walk in line of sight of her without knowing better, and she could also easily get players who aren't familiar with her hyper. But when people start to get used to Mio's mechanics, it can probably become really easy to dodge on non-linear maps and maps with lots of offshoots. She also skips her turn when using her hyper, but that's probably negligible considering the effects.

[TheCopperCoin]

I will admit that with the right map and the right setup, she can be really scary however, from what I've tried in single player. (760 something stars by the end of the game >.>)

Edit: (380 something stars, forgot i got killed pretty easily at the end by a bad combat roll -_-)

[mkjioz]

I feel like something appropriate would be to convert her hyper into a gift card so it would always be visible when she has it. Her hyper honestly doesn't seem that strong on most maps and compared to stuff like Ubiquitous(I mimicked 2 Infernos into Ubis in a game I played with her) or Rival, I feel like it's overall less powerful due to lack of full map range. It's honestly comparable to a battle card that guarantees killing your opponent which is close to what a lot of battle hypers do already. The major upsides it has are the complete lack of reactive play and the lack of need to actually engage in battle, your opponents cannot mitigate the Inferno in any way or form once they're in range. I'm also surprised it's norma 3, seems like one of the few cards in the game that would be appropriate at norma 4/5. Map is also a huge factor in its strength, in her personal map or something like Highway Heist, its range can be huge, however there's also a lot of maps with lots of twists and turns like Night Flight and Tomomo's Abyss where Mio's hyper won't ever go further than 3 squares.

Like all hyper-reliant characters, she's weaker to hand disruption as her stats while usable, aren't great. There's also the fact she's reliant on drawing her hyper in the first place which is far from guaranteed. The only real thing I'd change about her is make it visible when she has her hyper and you absolutely must try to plan your movement around it. I have a few alternate ideas, but her hyper's textbox is already filled to the outright brim.

Honestly, rather than complain about Mio being possibly too strong, I'd think it would be better to consider characters that are too weak though somebody else has recently started a thread on that topic already. It's best to avoid reactionary balance changes when games are likely to have 2+ Mio or play on her personal map as they're, well, new. Something I noted was that Mio's hyper specifically doesn't affect the square she's on, so a bully that constantly bullies her has a decent chance of killing her. Her hyper basically deletes tanky or evasive characters though who have extremely little way to counter play her besides stuff like hand disruption. Since she has +1 evade, negative attack characters won't accomplish a lot against her most of the time.

Edit: After thinking about it more, Mio's hyper is more comparable to Extraordinary Specs than anything. If you step in a certain panel radius of either, you're liable to get hypered. However I'd give it to Specs for versatility as movement is an extremely important tool. It's way weaker combat-wise since it can be countered, but I remember using Specs for game winning normas more than the random KO. While Sora is more frail at neutral defense, but 4 HP, positive attack makes it a way better stat spread. Being around Sora's powerlevel is a good target, while Sora may be considered one of the stronger characters in the game, she's not considered broken or anything. The only thing I think Inferno needs if it does need a nerf is an indicator if she's ever holding it as the lack of possible counterplay will probably annoy most people playing against her. Best to let people know when they should try at the very least.

[Hyperchaotic]

♥♥♥♥ her ♥♥♥♥♥♥ episode

[|DI| AndyNPC]

The hyper only costs 50 stars for potentially up to three unblockable kills, so that's kind of a big deal. It's not like it might not happen or could potentially backfire either. Once you draw it you're going to use it, and you're going to use it in a situation that's most profitable. It's also the first card which allows you to kill with profit outside of combat with almost no special conditions attached.

x16 Big Rocket, Air Strike, and Big Bang Bell all require the target to be weak in order to work best. Rocket and Bell can kill some units outright, but it requires a larger cost or a longer setup to achieve. Magical Inferno requires just level 3, 50 stars, and waiting a few turns for a good position, to get the same results as a Big Bang Bell with might require 10+ turns to cook and a miracle to get all the players in range of.
The problem is it's just too easy and simple, and that's not fun. There's no fun in dunking the entire lobby if there wasn't a big setup for it. Since there's no setup that means there's no fun to be had in destroying a player's huge Magical Inferno play either. Magical Inferno doesn't need a larger cost or lessened effect. It needs a risk to go along with it, and way for it to backfire.

[Juno Brier]

Mio's stats are pretty unique, most other 6HP characters are defensive, and Singleplayer Tomomo is the only other 6HP with +1 evade.

Her hyper is very map-dependent, on a map like Tomomo's Abyss with lots of corners it's hard to get a good hit with it, while Dark Citadel is clearly tailor-made to maximize its effectiveness.
Its range is very specific. Direct line from you, but that line stops at a gap, and it doesn't hit your panel so you can't use it like Christmasher.

[dualfallen]

I think that we really should be waiting more than just a few hours after a character coming out before complaining about them being overpowered.

Though dangerous on paper, she's not without her flaws. She can't use her hyper on you if you attack her since you're on the same space. She's also in a bad spot when being attacked due to having -def and not having +atk to scare off potential attackers. If ANYTHING was to be changed about her, I would say give her 6 REC instead of 5 but even deciding to do that now would be jumping the gun. I really think everyone needs to calm down for a bit, this happens with every new character.

[CarThief]

Seems pretty rediculous so far... Good stats AND good hyper! Like, a REALLY good hyper!
Honestly would've thrown in a range limit like 3-4 tiles. And made it level 4.

Bleh, seems pretty cheesy so far, though. It's rather worrying. Like playing with a plague of Poppo's all over again... Overpowered characters make the game no fun to play...

[『UPRPRC』Serene♪]

Not that strong as you think. I think she's actually below-average, or average at most. Dealing with 3 Yuki / Tomomo / StarBo will be far more annoying than dealing with 3 Mio.

Most offensive characters cripple her with relative ease because Mio's hyper has no effect on her current panel.

And before making profit with that hyper, you need to make sure your target(s) worth that amount of stars (or you can negate that ridiculous cost with President's Privilege). No one will use Extraordinary Specs and Accel Hyper (60-star combo) on someone with less than 120 stars unless with President's Privilege or some dire situation that you need to KO said target to slow them down and give you time to turn the table, so the same thing goes for Magical Inferno (50 stars).

Also, Magical Inferno is heavily map-reliant. Highway Heist and Dark Citadel surely make it a decent WMD to easily KO multiple targets. But if I were to choose Ocean Dive or Night Flight for field, good luck trying to KO just one target that worth that amount of stars. Not every map has long straight paths so that again relates to pure luck if the host is using random map.

With a bit of game sense, you'll actively try to not align with her, why do we need a indicator for that anyways? If its effect goes through gaps, well, sure. But as of now? No need.

Furthermore, with that stat, even a CPU poppo dares to challenge her to battle, so you can see how weak she is in CPU's eyes. I personally treat Magical Inferno as a revenge tool (much like Suguri and her Accelerator) to reclaim your lost stars rather than making you profit, and again most other hyper cards do a way better job than that.

[Laedran]

I'm not going to argue that she's overpowered, because we probably need to do more testing for that. I'm just going to say that her hyper is a bad design idea from the start.

Its power level varies hugely depending on the map, there's no possible counterplay besides avoiding her all game, and tanks are powerless against her.

Some characters are built around the idea that they're going to get KO'd a few times during the game, then swipe the victory back with their hyper or passive. I'm thinking of characters like Suguri, Islay, Nico or Saki.

For others, the win condition is simply to gather stars and avoid dying at all cost, because when they do, they have a hard time taking back the lead. That's most star gatherers, but mainly Fernet and Kyoko. They rely on healing and defensive tools to make sure they don't die, or at least without losing their stars. That's how they play the game. Resource management. And then comes Mio.

Magical Inferno is basically a magic "♥♥♥♥ You" card that renders the entire toolkit of defensive characters completely useless. If you reach lvl5 with Fernet, 200 stars in hand, full life and with good cards in hand because you've played the game masterfully, but randomly warp into Mio's range while she has hyper… you're dead. You weren't outsmarted, she didn't take any risk or had to make any kind of big decision, she was just given a free kill and took it.

Of course, there are a lot of "♥♥♥♥ You" cards in the game already. Things like Exchange or For The Future Of The Toy Store can ruin games in the same way, but the crucial difference is that bringing these cards into the deck always creates a risk that you'll end up on the receiving end. And of course some characters already counter some others, but never to this degree and never without leaving some chance of counterplay.

[Miraglyth]

I'm going to have to ask for a little more time too. If we learned anything from what was done to poor Arthur, it's that ruining the hyper of a hyper-reliant character within a couple of days of their release ruins the entire character for the months that follow.

I certainly don't think her hyper is broken though. It's an Accelerator or Extraordinary Specs that doesn't give wins. If Suguri or Sora charge into two opponents (a little trickier since they need to have been on the same tile and potentially fighting, a little easier since they can be around a corner, so that balances out) they get just as many stars, hold on to 20 more thanks to their cheaper cost, and get 4 wins out of it.

The thing we need to get a bit accustomed to is the mind games around Mio. People with over 100 stars are going to be averse to being on the same line as Mio whenever she has a card, so I feel we need to see how that plays out for a while before jumping to any conclusions.

Edit: I also feel the hyper as it is can help level out the game. If Mio has one opponent on 120 stars she can hit now and one on 180 stars she might be able to hit next turn, she's generally not going to use her only Magical Inferno on the 120-stars character because it does her very little good. And of course she ultimately might never end up being able to reach the 180-stars opponent.

[Jet Kirby♫]

Less than a day after her release, chill...