I feel like crying...60hz.. am i at a disadvantage?

[XENOMORPH]

..so I decided to buy a newish latop, its 6 mths since manufactures date...and was so happy only to find out its flippin 60hz. Now ive looked at many posts about this and am still confused, if my laptop is 60hz can i still get 120 fps? it says its 120 to125 in game with draw fps. Is this really the fps Im seeing or not...and am I at a big disadvantage if I am at 60hz and only 60fps? a very confused noob only bought laptop to play q3a and ql.

laptop acer e15 574
i5 nvidia 920mgpu. 2gb vram dedicated.
6gb ddr3 memory 60hz
have i bought a paper weight? thanks in advance for any replies. I cant have a pc for logistical reasons.

[dat_potatoe]

FPS is how many frames per second the game creates.
Hz is how many frames per second the monitor can display.

It's a bit more technically nuanced than this, but to put it simply a 60hz monitor can only display a maximum of 60fps. So you'll only see 60fps even if the game is putting out 120.

Though honestly I don't think only being able to see 60fps is that disadvantageous compared to being able to see 120.

Now, aside from that point, there are technical advantages to having 120fps being produced even if your monitor can't display that 120fps. Advantages which I honestly don't entirely comprehend. People claim it reduces mouse input lag for example. Your laptop is achieving 120fps but it's not displaying 120fps.

Maybe you could buy a 120hz monitor, hook it up to your laptop, and use it instead of your laptop screen. I'm not sure if there would be any lag or not with that method, but it's something you could research.

[[IHRB] (P)(R)oland]

Originally posted by $noselfcollisions:

"only 60 fps"
"only 60 fps"
"only 60 fps"
Some people struggle to even get 30,why are you complaining?60 fps is great,smooth and feels good.

struggle to get 30 fps in QL? u idiot even played this game once? f***n moron

[XENOMORPH]

Originally posted by dat_potatoe:

FPS is how many frames per second the game creates.
Hz is how many frames per second the monitor can display.

It's a bit more technically nuanced than this, but to put it simply a 60hz monitor can only display a maximum of 60fps. So you'll only see 60fps even if the game is putting out 120.

Though honestly I don't think only being able to see 60fps is that disadvantageous compared to being able to see 120.

Now, aside from that point, there are technical advantages to having 120fps being produced even if your monitor can't display that 120fps. Advantages which I honestly don't entirely comprehend. People claim it reduces mouse input lag for example. Your laptop is achieving 120fps but it's not displaying 120fps.

Maybe you could buy a 120hz monitor, hook it up to your laptop, and use it instead of your laptop screen. I'm not sure if there would be any lag or not with that method, but it's something you could research.

Hi thanks alot for that simple and precise answer, I just suffer from high ping too so together with 60fps I felt a bit down... I just wish I knew that before I bought the laptop, however for the price its really quite a tasty machine and have to be positive really, :) ...as regards a external monitor to the laptop..
In laptop panel it only shows 60hz as an option thats the intel hd graphics card options and I really dont think hooking it up to 120hz or 144hz monitor could achieve 120 or 144hz, I think 60hz on a laptop its the highest it will go unfortunatley. But I feel ALOT better thank you again

[Bonk]

Originally posted by dat_potatoe:

Now, aside from that point, there are technical advantages to having 120fps being produced even if your monitor can't display that 120fps. Advantages which I honestly don't entirely comprehend. People claim it reduces mouse input lag for example. Your laptop is achieving 120fps but it's not displaying 120fps.

This is because the framerate is not synchronized with the refresh rate of the monitor and the framerate also most often varies depending on what's going on in the application.

The monitor grabs the latest drawn frame from the GPU and shows it on the monitor.
If the GPU draws more frames per second the chances are higher that the frame the monitor gets from the GPU is newer than if the GPU drew frames slower.

Illustration:
http://i.imgur.com/lkxqF3q.png

The minimum amount of time from the point of where a frame is drawn in the GPU up to the point where it's displayed on the monitor is the same regardless of FPS(If they at some point in time happen to sync up), the maximum amount of time however is lower the higher the FPS is. This is why higher FPS makes games smoother regardless of monitor refresh rate, on lower fps you will get a higher variance in how old and how new frames can be when they are shown making it look choppy.

That it reduces input lag is simply because the feedback of the input you see on the screen is newer than if you ran the game on a lower fps.

[XENOMORPH]

Originally posted by Ai:

Originally posted by dat_potatoe:

Now, aside from that point, there are technical advantages to having 120fps being produced even if your monitor can't display that 120fps. Advantages which I honestly don't entirely comprehend. People claim it reduces mouse input lag for example. Your laptop is achieving 120fps but it's not displaying 120fps.

This is because the framerate is not synchronized with the refresh rate of the monitor and the framerate also most often varies depending on what's going on in the application.

The monitor grabs the latest drawn frame from the GPU and shows it on the monitor.
If the GPU draws more frames per second the chances are higher that the frame the monitor gets from the GPU is newer than if the GPU drew frames slower.

Illustration:
http://i.imgur.com/lkxqF3q.png

The minimum amount of time from the point of where a frame is drawn in the GPU and up to the point where it's displayed on the monitor is the same regardless of FPS(If they at some point in time happen to sync up), the maximum amount of time however is lower the higher the FPS is. This is why higher FPS makes games smoother regardless of monitor refresh rate, on lower fps you will get a higher variance in how old and how new frames can be when they are shown making it look choppy.

That it reduces input lag is simply because the feedback of the input you see on the screen is newer than if you ran on a lower fps.

Wow thanks for that explanation and illustration, Im ALOT more clear on the subject matter as a whole so its best to leave it like this with fps at 125, v snync off obiviously...is it ok to run the game graphics in bileniener or trilenier and textures high or medium...Its not affecting my fps at all it seems..but is it better to lower it?

[CAPtinISAUDi_TTV_@KickPlzSub<3]

need all the fps you can muster

[^3ker^7Plunk]

144hz monitor looks like butter compared to 60hz.

Need a desktop to use one though...

[FlashSoul]

60 hz might be a slideshow and you may be at a disadvantage but if you're not playing at a high level anyway I'd say it's not that big of a problem.

[gl00m?]

disadvantage for dueling imo

[Cobra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgr9GW3jUuQ

[XENOMORPH]

thanks guys, video says it all and yes duelling will be pain..but on the positive side I just gotta look at it as "what i dont know I wont miss" as Ive played on consoles all my life so 60hz and 125fps which is what it shows *I know its not the actual fps but its better than v sync or capping the thing to 60 fps, so overall is a joy in a sense compared to consoles.

[Tapasvi]

Interesting video. One thing for sure - it'll be good for eyes.
But as for advantage in quake - i doubt it. I guess if people are worrying about such small thing, then right after the hands.ini driver it's ping and packet loss, anyway.

I won't say i played this game a lot, i'm not experienced, but i know something about UDP. Maybe in games it's not so painful and you won't notice some missed frags because of lots of other random stuff happening, but in HFT trading(which have something in common with Q3) you just don't use UDP protocol through Internet with ordinary ISP. It's should be a dedicated channel or your system should be very close to the server, the same building in most cases. The same proffitable algorithm will be useless and lose money if it'll be lauched at home.

[Riccardo]

the difference is that at 60hz you have 1000/60=16.6 ms of lag between 2 screens and with 144hz you have 1000/144=7ms of lag betwen 2 screens....the game is more reactive and fluid

[Concerned Citizen]

Game will FEEL better at 120 hrz, but don't worry about it. 60hrz is FINE. COMPLETELY FINE.

This isn't something to cry about my dude. It is far more important to make sure you have no mouse acceleration and proper technique than a better gaming screen. If you are a newbro, you'll have so much to learn any advantage 120hrz gives you will not matter at all. You'll get slaughtered even with a 120hrz monitor (Sorry, but it's the truth.)

Just play the game, learn how things work. You can always get a better monitor and use HDMI to hook your laptop up to it, or sell your laptop and build a desktop at a later date. (Assuming your logistical situation permits it)



tl;dr
No you're fine. You're going to die horribly and repeatadly regardless of 120hrz or 60hrz. There's a lot to learn and you should be excited about that and I sympathize because I've been in a similar boat before. But this really isn't one of those things you should worry about. 60FPS and 60hrz is completely playable and FINE. EDIT: As some of the replies imply, 60hrz and 60FPS is something many players don't get. So Shhh. You're fine.

Source: I have a 60hrz monitor and have used it for years.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

[XENOMORPH]

Originally posted by 'Ðeadeye.:

Game will FEEL better at 120 hrz, but don't worry about it. 60hrz is FINE. COMPLETELY FINE.

This isn't something to cry about my dude. It is far more important to make sure you have no mouse acceleration and proper technique than a better gaming screen. If you are a newbro, you'll have so much to learn any advantage 120hrz gives you will not matter at all. You'll get slaughtered even with a 120hrz monitor (Sorry, but it's the truth.)

Just play the game, learn how things work. You can always get a better monitor and use HDMI to hook your laptop up to it, or sell your laptop and build a desktop at a later date. (Assuming your logistical situation permits it)



tl;dr
No you're fine. You're going to die horribly and repeatadly regardless of 120hrz or 60hrz. There's a lot to learn and you should be excited about that and I sympathize because I've been in a similar boat before. But this really isn't one of those things you should worry about. 60FPS and 60hrz is completely playable and FINE. EDIT: As some of the replies imply, 60hrz and 60FPS is something many players don't get. So Shhh. You're fine.

Source: I have a 60hrz monitor and have used it for years.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

Thanks deadeye I do feel better, thanks :) trust me I do some ass kickin too..sometimes..