Father's Promise - Spoiler Alert

[Lonely Sushi]

How long do you think has it actually been since the daughter died?

As someone who played the game for the first time, it would seem that everything happened in just a weeks time, but after reading the epilouge, I've come to the conclusion that maybe he might've been doing it (Searching for Amelia) for so long now. Just over and over again?

Let me explain.

Judging by how The Hobo knew what to say to get what he wants or even know the place like how would he know the Hospital was where they took her, if no other rebel/homeless man took her there?

Even with the Priest's reaction it would seem like he knew we've been visiting there time and time again.

On an additional note. The Hospital shelling plus the Doctor's kidnapping couldn't have happened so fast, mere days after his first futile visit?

If so I am just seriously reading too much into this... Don't you get the feeling that he'll just forget about her death again once a new day starts?

[theguynamedguy]

I don't think that's how that form of amnesia works; I think it requires a traumatic event, then it's like going into a fugue state (keep in mind, I don't really know anything about psychology past 101-level courses in college). I don't think it's like '50 First Dates' type of amnesia (I don't remember what that type is called), Aside from that, I agree with you that it was probably a while since his daughter died.

[Lonely Sushi]

Originally posted by theguynamedguy:

I don't think that's how that form of amnesia works; I think it requires a traumatic event, then it's like going into a fugue state (keep in mind, I don't really know anything about psychology past 101-level courses in college). I don't think it's like '50 First Dates' type of amnesia (I don't remember what that type is called), Aside from that, I agree with you that it was probably a while since his daughter died.

I see... I just thought that maybe it was that type of amnesia, yes something like '50 First Dates' or 'Memento', but I guess that would certainly need an additional head injury and not just psychological trauma.

[Milk Duck]

Originally posted by Karakuri Odette:

Originally posted by theguynamedguy:

I don't think that's how that form of amnesia works; I think it requires a traumatic event, then it's like going into a fugue state (keep in mind, I don't really know anything about psychology past 101-level courses in college). I don't think it's like '50 First Dates' type of amnesia (I don't remember what that type is called), Aside from that, I agree with you that it was probably a while since his daughter died.

I see... I just thought that maybe it was that type of amnesia, yes something like '50 First Dates' or 'Memento', but I guess that would certainly need an additional head injury and not just psychological trauma.

actually dissociative amnesia is a recurring, chronic condition, meaning it happens for indeterminate periods of time depending on the individual involved. in fact, there are cases where it has gone on for years. the premise of shutter island is that the main character (decaprio) has dissociative amnesia brought on by the trauma of having seen his wife kill their kids and then killing his wife. he repeats the elaborate fantasy in his mind in order to avoid the reality.

triggers are stress and associations, so if Adam saw something that reminded him of his daughter and/or her death, his dissociative denial would activate in order to protect him from the psychological trauma of having lost her.

in his mind, he failed her, essentially killing her and betraying her trust by failing to live up to his promise. as a father who loved his kid, in the midst of a brutal war, this would explain what amounts to recurring psychotic breaks resulting from his profound sense of grief, shame, guilt (he had a chance to get her to safety through the humanitarian aid but didnt take it, possibly because he was too scared not just for her but for himself), anger, shock, etc. he also lost his wife and his brother, probably his entire extended family and most of his community.


in a sense, since his mind is locked onto a repeating pattern, ie the original trauma of trying to save her and failing, his memory would in fact "reset" to the beginning of the event once it had been completed to the point of remembering that shed died.

hed be reliving/remembering each moment as though it were occurring in the actual past.

and yes, its most likely that he had been doing this for weeks if not months.

our brains are fascinating complex bio-chemical-electrical machinery; with that much complexity there are literally millions of things that can go wrong. dissociative disorder is a thing, just as amnesia is a thing. combine the two together and you can begin to see how an individual's mind can suffer a huge malfunction of this kind.

EDIT: when i first played the storyline i thought it was weird that the opening photo of amelia was like a death picture. the drawing of her and her mom and dad was anotther clue: she is standing in between them, her mom is colored in black she is in between them both like shes caught between life and death. it was a major clue and foreshadowing, by the first night i kinda already knew what had happened to her.

ps: never make promises, especially ones you cant keep.

[Lonely Sushi]

Originally posted by Incredible Poopsack:

Originally posted by Karakuri Odette:

I see... I just thought that maybe it was that type of amnesia, yes something like '50 First Dates' or 'Memento', but I guess that would certainly need an additional head injury and not just psychological trauma.

actually dissociative amnesia is a recurring, chronic condition, meaning it happens for indeterminate periods of time depending on the individual involved. in fact, there are cases where it has gone on for years. the premise of shutter island is that the main character (decaprio) has dissociative amnesia brought on by the trauma of having seen his wife kill their kids and then killing his wife. he repeats the elaborate fantasy in his mind in order to avoid the reality.

triggers are stress and associations, so if Adam saw something that reminded him of his daughter and/or her death, his dissociative denial would activate in order to protect him from the psychological trauma of having lost her.

in his mind, he failed her, essentially killing her and betraying her trust by failing to live up to his promise. as a father who loved his kid, in the midst of a brutal war, this would explain what amounts to recurring psychotic breaks resulting from his profound sense of grief, shame, guilt (he had a chance to get her to safety through the humanitarian aid but didnt take it, possibly because he was too scared not just for her but for himself), anger, shock, etc. he also lost his wife and his brother, probably his entire extended family and most of his community.


in a sense, since his mind is locked onto a repeating pattern, ie the original trauma of trying to save her and failing, his memory would in fact "reset" to the beginning of the event once it had been completed to the point of remembering that shed died.

hed be reliving/remembering each moment as though it were occurring in the actual past.

and yes, its most likely that he had been doing this for weeks if not months.

our brains are fascinating complex bio-chemical-electrical machinery; with that much complexity there are literally millions of things that can go wrong. dissociative disorder is a thing, just as amnesia is a thing. combine the two together and you can begin to see how an individual's mind can suffer a huge malfunction of this kind.

EDIT: when i first played the storyline i thought it was weird that the opening photo of amelia was like a death picture. the drawing of her and her mom and dad was anotther clue: she is standing in between them, her mom is colored in black she is in between them both like shes caught between life and death. it was a major clue and foreshadowing, by the first night i kinda already knew what had happened to her.

ps: never make promises, especially ones you cant keep.

I KNEW IT! Thank you so much for taking the time to elaborate
I didn't realize that Shutter Island does kind of have the same premise.

[Milk Duck]

Originally posted by Karakuri Odette:

Originally posted by Incredible Poopsack:

actually dissociative amnesia is a recurring, chronic condition, meaning it happens for indeterminate periods of time depending on the individual involved. in fact, there are cases where it has gone on for years. the premise of shutter island is that the main character (decaprio) has dissociative amnesia brought on by the trauma of having seen his wife kill their kids and then killing his wife. he repeats the elaborate fantasy in his mind in order to avoid the reality.

triggers are stress and associations, so if Adam saw something that reminded him of his daughter and/or her death, his dissociative denial would activate in order to protect him from the psychological trauma of having lost her.

in his mind, he failed her, essentially killing her and betraying her trust by failing to live up to his promise. as a father who loved his kid, in the midst of a brutal war, this would explain what amounts to recurring psychotic breaks resulting from his profound sense of grief, shame, guilt (he had a chance to get her to safety through the humanitarian aid but didnt take it, possibly because he was too scared not just for her but for himself), anger, shock, etc. he also lost his wife and his brother, probably his entire extended family and most of his community.


in a sense, since his mind is locked onto a repeating pattern, ie the original trauma of trying to save her and failing, his memory would in fact "reset" to the beginning of the event once it had been completed to the point of remembering that shed died.

hed be reliving/remembering each moment as though it were occurring in the actual past.

and yes, its most likely that he had been doing this for weeks if not months.

our brains are fascinating complex bio-chemical-electrical machinery; with that much complexity there are literally millions of things that can go wrong. dissociative disorder is a thing, just as amnesia is a thing. combine the two together and you can begin to see how an individual's mind can suffer a huge malfunction of this kind.

EDIT: when i first played the storyline i thought it was weird that the opening photo of amelia was like a death picture. the drawing of her and her mom and dad was anotther clue: she is standing in between them, her mom is colored in black she is in between them both like shes caught between life and death. it was a major clue and foreshadowing, by the first night i kinda already knew what had happened to her.

ps: never make promises, especially ones you cant keep.

I KNEW IT! Thank you so much for taking the time to elaborate
I didn't realize that Shutter Island does kind of have the same premise.

no problem mate, there are a lot of health professionals in my family, including my niece who is a psych nurse, so i like to take time to clarify related information :)

the story is excellent and highlights a very common issue for people caught in war time