Game is a total nightmare on inferno

[Holyblades]

I know it's supposed to be hard and usually I enjoy the inferno modes of YS games but this one is just unbelievable cheap. When there's a ton of mobs with shields it feels like it's just more luck than skill since you are using most of your time defending and hoping for an opening. You also get one shot by basically anything. Everything is just a huge damage sponge and it gets old really fast. Not sure I'll be completing this one on this difficulty.

[Silence]

Kinda felt the same way for me, I was getting around somewhat but it stopped being fun after a few bosses so I turned it down to nightmare difficulty, it can still be a challenge but the difference between them is crazy. It honestly feels like defense from equipment doesn't matter on inferno, you die anyway.

I did play many other Ys games on the highest difficulty too so I'm confused as to why this one feels unfair, maybe I'm old now idk.

[Elmdor]

I started on Inferno diff and so far I'm getting through it all right.

The defense of enemies and their damage starts getting way more manageable around chapter 4. You can definitely start taking some hits, but still not many.

I'm still on chapter 5 at the moment, but the only real notable "bad" spots I ran into was the beladonna fight and the end of chapter 4 ship battle.

Beladonna became easy once I figured out I don't need to spam the dodge button to evade the blue attacks. Apparently you can just hold it and you will dodge all the blue attacks forever.

The chapter 4 ship battle though.... yeah it's so bad in the exact way you imagine. Tons of elites spamming attacks never letting you actually play the game. Only way I got through it was by cheesing the fight and using attacks that would hit through the mast. This part definitely needs some adjustments.

[Holyblades]

Originally posted by Elmdor:

I started on Inferno diff and so far I'm getting through it all right.

The defense of enemies and their damage starts getting way more manageable around chapter 4. You can definitely start taking some hits, but still not many.

I'm still on chapter 5 at the moment, but the only real notable "bad" spots I ran into was the beladonna fight and the end of chapter 4 ship battle.

Beladonna became easy once I figured out I don't need to spam the dodge button to evade the blue attacks. Apparently you can just hold it and you will dodge all the blue attacks forever.

The chapter 4 ship battle though.... yeah it's so bad in the exact way you imagine. Tons of elites spamming attacks never letting you actually play the game. Only way I got through it was by cheesing the fight and using attacks that would hit through the mast. This part definitely needs some adjustments.

I'm currently on the ship battle at the end of chapter 4 and getting obliterated once I get onto the ship. It just feels like there's not really a good time to attack when you are surrounded because if you get clipped once mid animation you are probably going down. Trying to resurrect while you have 5+ mobs on you is pretty much impossible.

[Alshadur]

You've got fair points!

Personally I really enjoy the inferno difficulty so far (I'm in Chapter 4). Chaining together skills and hitting those perfect guards is so satisfying. Maybe I haven't hit the "roadblock" yet with inferno, but if I do I still have a lot to improve. I haven't really upgraded my equipment much and my release lines are a mess, I just put in stuff whereever.

Especially beating bosses after 5-10 minute fights with several re-tries feels amazing. But I get that it's not everyones cup of tea!

[QisTopTier]

Originally posted by Travisk1982:

I know it's supposed to be hard and usually I enjoy the inferno modes of YS games but this one is just unbelievable cheap. When there's a ton of mobs with shields it feels like it's just more luck than skill since you are using most of your time defending and hoping for an opening. You also get one shot by basically anything. Everything is just a huge damage sponge and it gets old really fast. Not sure I'll be completing this one on this difficulty.

Time to kill is not different than older games inferno difficulty if you want things to die fast you need to make use of the skill chain system having up to 75% sp reduction on skills is absurd and lets you pump out damage fast

Break actually matters in this game unlike the older ones, pay attention to what moves have high break damage and build karja with a break focus and build adol around hp damage (str)

Then keep one cheap filler sp skill on both and for karja a hp dmg based and two break focused moves to chain back and forth with on adol one filler sp skill and one break spell with two hp focused moves to chain back and forth with

https://youtu.be/SKQGcxfDXMw

a video i recorded for a friend showing how absurd skill use is due to the sp reduction in this compared to even the older games

[Purple]

It's not that bad.

[Capndrake (brb Japan)]

It starts off kind of hard since everything oneshots you and you don't have any useful skills, but it quickly becomes a joke. Duo Mode is completely broken in boss fights if you can time your parries right (which is easy since the window for it is super generous). Currently in chapter 10 and I don't think any boss took more than 3 tries.

[Arnice]

Originally posted by Capndrake:

It starts off kind of hard since everything oneshots you and you don't have any useful skills, but it quickly becomes a joke. Duo Mode is completely broken in boss fights if you can time your parries right (which is easy since the window for it is super generous). Currently in chapter 10 and I don't think any boss took more than 3 tries.

Ya the perfect parry and revenge system in this makes every enemy with heavy attacks a joke.

[QisTopTier]

Originally posted by Capndrake:

It starts off kind of hard since everything oneshots you and you don't have any useful skills, but it quickly becomes a joke. Duo Mode is completely broken in boss fights if you can time your parries right (which is easy since the window for it is super generous). Currently in chapter 10 and I don't think any boss took more than 3 tries.

I mean duo mode revenge hits are strong sure but they are rarely over 1/4th of my damage in a fight

[Croxio]

when you get to a point where you have a adol who has a +100% damage bost, with the right equipment that prioritizes pure damage.

There is a point where you can have a build so angry that the classic damage is no longer a problem, it is reasonable to play with the bosses to trigger the perfect parry cutscene linked to the boss, then you chain with the cutscene that kills the boss.

[HatHamWitch]

at the start to halfway yes - but you can make the game super easy by just doing side stuff. weirdly this game is easier to max levels vs 8 and 9 and rely on meals vs potions

[Nonexistinghero]

I'm playing on Nightmare. Felt kinda unfair at the beginning with major groups of enemies while having no decent AoE attack. But that changes like 15-20% into the game and it becomes kinda easy for most part once you get some good tools and properly learn the system. Some bosses do still provide a good challenge.

Currently I feel like regular enemies are way too easy. Though honestly... I feel Ys after Seven has just become far too easy in this regard. Up till then regular enemies also still provided a challenge. And it's best in the Napishtim, Origin and Oath in Felghana trilogy of games (which all follow the same style of gameplay).

[CLG]

This Ys is incredibly easy to break. I stopped having any kind of trouble after chapter 3 and the game kind of just went on auto pilot. The difficulty in this game is entirely front loaded. Maybe it was me learning the games mechanics better but I feel that the majority of bosses after the worm are just drastically much easier. There's some items that break the game and you'll eventually come across some rooms that are super good to farm. I ran into a miniboss in a map that would give me a guaranteed level up everytime I killed it and it would respawn by just leaving and reentering the room. I got nearly 20 levels in about a half hour or even less, I wasn't even running max XP accessories either.

Sometimes I wish modern Ys could go back to the extreme difficulty of games like Origins or Felghana but oh well. I still have a lot of fun with these games but every 3d title has just been slowly been making the game easier and easier. Still love Ys though.

[Croxio]

Originally posted by Nonexistinghero:

Some bosses do still provide a good challenge.

yes, the first fight of larg
is surprising. You just have to survive the beginning of phase 2, and his ultimate attack which is really cool.

[Holyblades]

Originally posted by CLG:

This Ys is incredibly easy to break. I stopped having any kind of trouble after chapter 3 and the game kind of just went on auto pilot. The difficulty in this game is entirely front loaded. Maybe it was me learning the games mechanics better but I feel that the majority of bosses after the worm are just drastically much easier. There's some items that break the game and you'll eventually come across some rooms that are super good to farm. I ran into a miniboss in a map that would give me a guaranteed level up everytime I killed it and it would respawn by just leaving and reentering the room. I got nearly 20 levels in about a half hour or even less, I wasn't even running max XP accessories either.

Sometimes I wish modern Ys could go back to the extreme difficulty of games like Origins or Felghana but oh well. I still have a lot of fun with these games but every 3d title has just been slowly been making the game easier and easier. Still love Ys though.

Oh nice. Without spoilers obviously, which chapter would this be in?