Rhin

[e11]

I just want to ask... what am I supposed to do with her? I have her in the party, but she's just about useless in a fight, and I can't see that she has any special abilities.

[Drake]

Rhin is a slow starter, for the first level her only real advantage is hiding. Now while in a brutal approach it's not really useful, in crises there is more to do than to fight, a lot of crises can be resolved by sneaking (which rhin is very good at) and using devices.

At higher levels though, Rhin will become quite a beast, she will be able to heal, use cyphers without destroying them and summon monsters.

[Hawke]

You can send her home after you reach the Bloom. Or if you're still in Sagus Cliffs, you can find a new family for her with assistance of Alcen Perie.
And she's as useful as the pendant in Dark Souls, Miyazaki would approve such approach.

[OnlyOffensive]

You can send her into house of empty time or just dismiss, don't listen to people advice about "learning", if you dont want to play with her, just ditch her, all other companios are very good in combat aswell. It's just about if you want to play her story full or not, but since this companion forced ( you can't dismiss her ) you need to decide it quick, because other companions will not get expirience in their absence.

I actually like Erritis for example way more, while his story is not that well written, his character is way more exciting, especially with reading thoughts, and situations like opening iron wind or offering him as a test subject, it was him or Rhin for me and i don't regret playing with him. And in my opinion he is way better in combat than she, cannot be flanked, extra attack after killing blow, huge aoe daze, 40% crit chance and CLEAVE i mean yea keep using cyphers more than once, i just obliterate enemies with right click. And he also glowing in a way dialogue written, but his glow fades when you change location, i think devs should fix that, since they put an effort of different glow animations.

[The Mask]

Originally posted by Hawke:

You can send her home after you reach the Bloom. Or if you're still in Sagus Cliffs, you can find a new family for her with assistance of Alcen Perie.
And she's as useful as the pendant in Dark Souls, Miyazaki would approve such approach.

I, respectfully, disagree. While the pendant in DS is clearly an obvious troll, Rhin is actually an amazing team member.

Give her:

- the artifact that hastes people (name escapes me)
- 1 lvl in INT edge
- 2 skill levels in heal
- as much perception and stealth as you can
- last spot recruitment (to always be at the back of the party in every crisis)
- maybe Kina in the party for the extra stealth bonus

and she becomes a most excellent support.

The fact that she can use cyphers at the end without destroying them so fast, or that she comes back as the antichrist at the end with great abilities, is just a minor plus imo.

[Hawke]

I've just got the epilogue for the House of Empty Time. Neither too awful nor too good.

@The Mask. The problem is that Rhin takes a place in the party and gains experience, while another companion, who doesn't require min-max'ing to be playable and/or effective, does not. If she had a separate slot, like an artifact or something, it would be perfectly fine. In the current state, it is not.

[Drake]

In another game I would say yes to that. But here with the crisis system and all the dialog stuff etc. Rhin is still very viable at early levels (there are a lot of crises where don't actually need to attack, just hiding and completing objectives works, like the lazaret, stealing the eggs etc.), any weakness she has is evened by the castoff crazy stat and ability bonuses you get in the game.
The game isn't that hard to begin with.

[e11]

Okay, one question about skills: How do non-combat skills work when given to NPC's? Like, if I give someone Quick Hands, how does that help me?

[Hawke]

You can choose a companion to complete a task. Their skills and stats are used. Usually, a level in a skill gives +15% chances of success.

[burningmime]

Give her back to the woman who raised her for the last 10 years. Really the only moral choice.

[nobody]

I played through the game with her. She starts off pretty useless but in Tier 2 she gets a healing spell and can carry more cyphers than most characters at same level. If you invest in healing skill, the spell becomes alot better. I also gave her a light ranged weapon with medium range (buzzer to start). She has inability in range but light weapon to hit chance bonus makes up for inability. If you invest a bit in speed pool/edge, she can reliability hit targets with full point investment on attack. If you attack from the edge of her range, she seems to rarely draw agro. Mostly, I had her healing/activating macguffins/using cyphers. But once or twice per crisis, it is useful to have somene who can easily get into position to pick off an enemy who is hanging on by a few hit points. Why give them another turn or waste Erritus' next attack on them? Around mid game there is a decent pistol you can buy for this role too. She'll never be a beast in combat but she doesn't have to be useless.

One thing I'll say though is that I found her late game prowess to be a bit exagerated. The ability she gains at Tier 3 is cool but without it, you'll still be swimming in shins/cyphers at late game anyway. She picks up another cool power at Tier 4 but for me she got there too late for it to matter due to low starting xp and other characters will get that ability earlier.

So, by Tier 2 she isn't useless, but overall she is still the weakest companion. If you don't like her, get rid of her. It is a game.

[rakshasa72]

Originally posted by The Mask:

Originally posted by Hawke:

You can send her home after you reach the Bloom. Or if you're still in Sagus Cliffs, you can find a new family for her with assistance of Alcen Perie.
And she's as useful as the pendant in Dark Souls, Miyazaki would approve such approach.

I, respectfully, disagree. While the pendant in DS is clearly an obvious troll, Rhin is actually an amazing team member.

Give her:

- the artifact that hastes people (name escapes me)
- 1 lvl in INT edge
- 2 skill levels in heal
- as much perception and stealth as you can
- last spot recruitment (to always be at the back of the party in every crisis)
- maybe Kina in the party for the extra stealth bonus

and she becomes a most excellent support.

The fact that she can use cyphers at the end without destroying them so fast, or that she comes back as the antichrist at the end with great abilities, is just a minor plus imo.

I don't think she can learn Stealth Skill.

Alternately instead of putting Edges into INT. Put Edges into SPD. This will help with Stealth and ranged attacks.

Put pool points into INT though. You will need them later to use you abilities.

[The Mask]

Actually... just like every other companion she gains 4 edge points by the end of the game, and the best is to have 2 and 2.

If you keep her until right before facing the Memovira that is.




What I did is give a skeleton build that would work with the majority of players/play-throughs. If, say, for example, a person would get Rhin right before leaving for the Valley, and send her home right after arriving in the Bloom - I doubt she'd get more than 2 edge points.

If you get her for the the long run though, meaning as early as possible, and then keep her right until before the end, then for sure you are correct and you should go 2 and 2 (skill investment doesn't even matter that much since by tier 4 you should have almost everything upgraded with her).

[Ichthyic]

totally disagree. everything about rhin is INT. she will never be good at speed attacks, since she has no boosts at all to any weapon skill, period, and she doesn't get the stealth skill, and you can't swap out her bonded items to give it to her. Thus, edge points spent on speed are mostly wasted. if instead you put all 4 edge points into int, then she can cast her most powerful abilities for free, and there are two great 1-h weapons you can get that are entirely int based (one melee - a knife, 1 ranged - mental damage gun), that will then enable her to do some damage, should you just need that bit of extra to take down something, because yes, your edge pools contribute to your damage just as if you spent effort.

rhin should be teleporting your guys around, casting summons, healing, using cyphers.

none of that requires speed.

what's more, this allows you to put more points in her speed pool (since putting all edge in int means she gets to cast her abilities for free), making her evasion stat even higher.

[Ichthyic]

One thing I'll say though is that I found her late game prowess to be a bit exagerated. The ability she gains at Tier 3 is cool but without it, you'll still be swimming in shins/cyphers at late game anyway.

uh, it allows you to KEEP the most useful and powerful cyphers for re-use.

example: map cypher will let you remove fog of dakness from EVERY area you visit, not just the first area you use it in.

example: the cypher you get early on that lets you heal all health and all stat pools for your entire team... now reusable.

example: there are cyphers that do MASSIVE aoe as well as ones that stun for 3 turns automatically.

Most of these cyphers are UNIQUE. you don't get two mapping cyphers, there is only one cypher that can heal your entire team and their stat pools, there is only one cypher that stuns an enemy for 3 turns... etc.

with just the tiniest bit of thought... you suddenly realize she actualy is the most POWEFUL character.

takes thought though.

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