Thank you Sega for implementing Denuvo

[Ares]

It is unfair for some to access the game without paying a penny while the rest foot the bill. I understand that some are poor, but many out there who can afford the game choose not simply because they can download it for free. We need to support developers and publishers if we want to enjoy more games like Metaphor: ReFantazio. Stop stealing.

Edit: Should have closed the window as well

[Eirantiun-6]

Good games will sell regardless of having denuvo or not.

Only greedy companies like Atlus use it.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by lukaself:

Destiny is designed as an online multiplayer game, so always-online adds value by enabling the full experience.

If you're going to argue that there's added value to a transient live service game, then what is the subtracted value in a single player game that has Denuvo? If you argue something like ownership or preservation, you are no longer giving any reason that has to do with enjoying games for games sake.

If you are so serious about gaming, start acting like it.

I dislike Denuvo adding an online requirement to offline games where it doesn't add any value, so suggesting I should hate multiplayer games—where online interaction is the entire reason people play them—makes no logical sense. Live-service, multiplayer, online games - you're mixing up and confusing a lot of different concepts there.

I’m sorry, but I can't simplify this further without risking insult. It really seems like you may not grasp the diversity in what people enjoy about different kinds of games. Ultimately, everyone has different expectations from gaming, and it's fine if you don't care to differentiate, but what others derive from their gaming experiences is not for you to decide.

[Kaldaien]

Originally posted by ez game ez life:

Denuvo or malware from pirates - pick your poison.

Yep :-\

A lot of pirated games include malware. I know this because they frequently bundle my performance fixing mods with their pirated copies. And pirates regard Special K as malware because it doesn't work with Steam client emulators.

Well, it works with Goldberg. Doesn't so much work with the emulators that pirates use. And that's nothing I did, to be fair. They're just not particularly good.

[Faiyez]

I play single player Denuvo and live service games. I understand and grasp perfectly and I've always been secure about how I engage with gaming, unlike you who has taken issue with my basic thesis.

Being unwilling to engage with single player games with DRM doesn't make any sense in the context of how the average gamer today engages with their hobby. You can get off your high horse now. You are a Steam user, ostensibly not arguing as someone with a large physical collection of retro games.

There are much more valid ideological reasons to avoid a game, such as not wanting to support censorship.

[ValentB]

Originally posted by ez game ez life:

Denuvo or malware from pirates - pick your poison.

Except there's no malware on trusted sites.
"Malware" is a boogieman by corporate suits.

[Zogtar]

Spoken like a man who throws money at crowds and laughs with glee as people scramble for newfound wealth.

[Alacod]

They don't care about your brown nosing. Just buy the game, that's all the thanks they need to keep their investors happy. Atlus is a business first they don't need you to defend them they pay lawyers for that.

[mdart]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

I play single player Denuvo and live service games. I understand and grasp perfectly and I've always been secure about how I engage with gaming, unlike you who has taken issue with my basic thesis.

Being unwilling to engage with single player games with DRM doesn't make any sense in the context of how the average gamer today engages with their hobby. You can get off your high horse now. You are a Steam user, ostensibly not arguing as someone with a large physical collection of retro games.

There are much more valid ideological reasons to avoid a game, such as not wanting to support censorship.

except that that your thesis is that since online multiplayer live service games are always online we should accept a software that hurts games performance and forces a offline single player game to have a internet connection at all times. sorry to say but for those of us that do other things like travailing or camping having a internet connection is not always an option. if you want a software with your game that hurts its performance and forces you to be online thats on you but for me that just saying feel free to wait a week to a month and pirate the game to remove those issues

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

There are much more valid ideological reasons to avoid a game, such as not wanting to support censorship.

Agreed on that part. Does that mean we should stop caring about any less valid reasons because worse things exist, though?

By your logic, corporations should stop caring about copyright infringement because source code theft is a thing.

[Aldroen]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

If you're going to argue that there's added value to a transient live service game, then what is the subtracted value in a single player game that has Denuvo? If you argue something like ownership or preservation, you are no longer giving any reason that has to do with enjoying games for games sake.

If you are so serious about gaming, start acting like it.

I dislike Denuvo adding an online requirement to offline games where it doesn't add any value, so suggesting I should hate multiplayer games—where online interaction is the entire reason people play them—makes no logical sense. Live-service, multiplayer, online games - you're mixing up and confusing a lot of different concepts there.

I’m sorry, but I can't simplify this further without risking insult. It really seems like you may not grasp the diversity in what people enjoy about different kinds of games. Ultimately, everyone has different expectations from gaming, and it's fine if you don't care to differentiate, but what others derive from their gaming experiences is not for you to decide. :clickbutton:

Atlus reading this right now :

"So you are saying if we make metaphor live service you will buy it ? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we could be milking these idiots like crazy"

Honestly if you are happy with online and live service games but hate Denuvo than your priorities are not in the right place. This will just lead games adding live service and online with mtx to justify lack of Denuvo cause if everyone did what you did those games would be way more popular as a result.

Also another big factor with multiplayer/online games is that most of them these days come with anti-cheats that are like 100 times more worse than whatever Denuvo is doing to your system.

You either go all in into this rabbit hole or you do not as otherwise you are hurting yourself more by missing out potentially good games than achieving anything.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Aldroen:

Originally posted by lukaself:

I dislike Denuvo adding an online requirement to offline games where it doesn't add any value, so suggesting I should hate multiplayer games—where online interaction is the entire reason people play them—makes no logical sense. Live-service, multiplayer, online games - you're mixing up and confusing a lot of different concepts there.

I’m sorry, but I can't simplify this further without risking insult. It really seems like you may not grasp the diversity in what people enjoy about different kinds of games. Ultimately, everyone has different expectations from gaming, and it's fine if you don't care to differentiate, but what others derive from their gaming experiences is not for you to decide.

Atlus reading this right now :

"So you are saying if we make metaphor live service you will buy it ? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we could be milking these idiots like crazy" [...]

Yeah, presented this way that does feel like a monkey paw wish.

But seriously, both approaches have their place. Wanting all live-service games gone because some companies impose arbitrary online requirements on offline games is counterproductive and ultimately harms the hobby. There’s ample space for both online multiplayer and offline solo experiences to thrive, provided they are developed with ethical standards in mind. Instead of rejecting one or the other, we should push for better practices across the board.

Faiyez dismissed my perspective, pretexting that I play online live-service games, but willfully omitted that I own even more single-player, self-contained experiences. Judging games solely on their business model feels like prejudice to me. Moreover, using my public game history against me while keeping their own private feels a bit off.

Forcing an online requirement on an offline game is as out of place as implementing a pause button in multiplayer competitive games. Deadlock players know what I’m talking about.

[daryl317]

People who cannot pay for the game probably has a jailbroken PS4 by now which is pretty widespread nowadays and its inevitable that this game gets backported to lower firmwares and be playable for pirates on the PS4. Whining for the addition of Denuvo will have little effect on the actual sales of this game because pirates will always find a way even if it means playing on old consoles.

[Asain]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by mdart:

this is the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ i have ever seen. i dont play final fantasy 5 expecting there to be a cash shop or always online and i dont play destiny expecting a good story or single player party experiences just like i dont expect a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ micro-transaction to be throwen in my face by a game that is not on mobile. why should people accept always online and a singleplayer offline game that just hurts the games performance to stop people from pirating the game in the first week.

Denuvo is merely something that we'd rather not have in our single player games. However it's not something that should stop you from playing a game that you otherwise would have got.

Otherwise you have no excuse to be playing Destiny.

Make it make sense, gamers.

Last time I checked Jedi Survivor performance improved from "Removing Denuvo" so yeah it do impact customers (paying) experience. Pirates are not gonna buy games no matter how many years you locked it in glass case, usually they will bought cheap with discount or cheat the system by buying account sharing service. Both are not gonna fill publishers/devs coffers.

The only thing denuvo ♥♥♥♥♥ over is paying customers and it has been proven multiple times. And sorry but "Good" games with no denuvo has no issue getting sales, most gamers are not broke and willing to pay if the game are not broken or garbage (which most of them are recently). And kids that growing playing pirate game will soon buy the officially and legally (I do, I bought even old games like prototype, Watch dog, Sleeping dog, nostalgia is one hell of powerful buying incentive).

So stfu if you know nothing about gamers and how pirates usually play or how denuvo did nothing but ♥♥♥♥♥ over their customers

[Fixo]

Originally posted by virgo:

Originally posted by Crusader_bin:

Clown farming.
Ignore.

Yet here you are making this post more relevant again, but I can understand why some find it hard to believe that someone will stand against piracy based on morals alone, and not some hidden motive.

"Morals" ... Sure buddy, not at all because you feel dumb to pay for something other can have free. Also how do those boots taste like down there ?

Your kinds are the worst, Hypocrisy incarnate.

And before you respond : You are just a pirate with no morals : look at my library... I wish I pirated some of those games ngl.

[[ES] Khuri]

So you thank a company for making the game performance get worse? , as a costumer myself you sound stupid and nonsense.

first of all , when you pay for a digital product you own the right to use the game while they let you download it , as soon your account gets blocked for example steam , you will lose all the games.

if you want to own a product buy the physic copy like i do own Persona 5 royale for PS4.

asking devs or thank them for Denuvo its dumb af , because you are a customer no matter what the others do.

for example , if you like or love the company and buy those games , its up to you to keep supporting them and paying , like i do in every monster hunter game i own since PS2-psp , it is up to me as a customer to purchase the products if i like them and the devs care on the customer that purchases it.

so with that in mind , theres lots of games that have worst performance with Denuvo , stuttering , crashes , 10 to 25 less FPS you name it , theres lots of stuff allready.

So you telling me as a customer you want your game to have stuttering or worse performance on your PC because what? , you care on the ppl that download it without paying or use an emulator? why ? if you like the game or want to purchase it to help devs , do it , and enjoy your product.

the soon the ppl realize the devs dont care on them , just money , the more power we will have on them , but instead steam is full of nonsense kids that have 0 iq.

As customers that pay for a digital copy or license to play the game on a platform we should have a right to play it in the platform we also wanted right?.

for example i own PS4 persona 5 royale , but if i want to play it on PC i need a ''pc'' copy on steam , so i have the product but i have to pay it Twice?.

start thinking yourself why the good era of gaming died 10 years ago , you all with this nonsense posts about beeing mad of some dude that has an ilegal copy is more important that actually talking about why we have 70 to 100€ priced games now on PC.