Help me understand what is the wokeness in this game.

[moonlightavenger]

There is a woman and she is a lesbian. Is that it?

You play with Indy, the game treats the characters and the lore with respect, the gameplay is good and the story is good.

What is the problem?

Edit: the game doesn't even censor nazi symbols, and treats them as villains in the same vein as the movies (the good ones).

[Jeeb]

You punch Nazis.

The Nazis are upset about this.

[moonlightavenger]

Originally posted by Jeeb:

You punch Nazis.

The Nazis are upset about this.

I don't condone calling people Nazi because they don't like something in a game.

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by moonlightavenger:

Originally posted by Jeeb:

You punch Nazis.

The Nazis are upset about this.

I don't condone calling people Nazi because they don't like something in a game.

Yeah, it really just plays into their hand as well, because a lot of the people behind this whole culture war are only pushing it because of the division it creates.

[muh_dingus]

I personally couldn't care less that it has a gay character. Some people just like to hate on everything and it's in their nature to complain about anything and everything.

[VHS NEON]

There's nothing woke about it. Some people just can't handle the fact that a fictitious fantasy adventure game has black people, non submissive women and LGBTQ charatcers. Because those things are of course way more unrealistic than the Holy Ark releasing ghosts and melting faces or a dude in Temple Of Doom ripping hearts out with his bare hands. Or indy surviving a nuklear blast in a fridge.

But sure, god forbid there are lesbians in this game. That make it totally unrealistic...

[longjohn119]

Originally posted by thezorch:

DEI in various forms is a century old strategy from the socialist/fascist playbook. It has infested our media so much, it isn't a surprise there are people who jump at shadows and cry "woke" where there is none. When it is there, you'd see the usual shenanigans, like devs going onto social media to demonize gamers, but in the case of this game we haven't seen any of that. They are not capable of subtlety because DEI Pushers are also massive narcissists, so they can't control their mouths. The fact we haven't see that with The Great Circle is interesting.

You are completely full of it. Both Fascism and Communism are anti-DEI to the extreme. So extreme they dress up even children in little uniforms so they all look alike. Everyone is supposed to look the same, act the same and think the same. Everyone they conquer are expected to assimilate usually by force and if you don't they either kill you or ship you off to the Gulag.

Russia is a good example of that, first they were Communists, now they are Fascists and nothing has really changed for 99% of Russian people. They are still getting thrown in Gulags if they dare to criticize the government or the latest war. Their quality of life is still well below the Liberal Democracies.

[Spectrum Fox]

I feel sorry for the people who go through life judging if something is "woke" or not, and then using that completely subjective categorization to determine their own enjoyment of it.

What a sad and useless existence.

[muh_dingus]

Originally posted by Spectrum Fox:

I feel sorry for the people who go through life judging if something is "woke" or not, and then using that completely subjective categorization to determine their own enjoyment of it.

What a sad and useless existence.

Agreed. Seems like a sad and boring existence.

[Fredwick]

Originally posted by Spectrum Fox:

I feel sorry for the people who go through life judging if something is "woke" or not, and then using that completely subjective categorization to determine their own enjoyment of it.

What a sad and useless existence.

This is literally the boy cries "wolf" scenario. They cry so much about "wokism". The word lost its meaning and now, more and more people just treat it as noise.

It's funny how Indiana Jones might be a crucial part of this anti-grift crusade as they got it so wrong this time.

[Molesworth.Houghton]

Why do you ask to understand where the wokeness in these game is? It's simply a fashion word for the new generation. Every new game is woke, every movie is woke, their parents are woke today. Just everything.

[muh_dingus]

Originally posted by longjohn119:

Originally posted by thezorch:

DEI in various forms is a century old strategy from the socialist/fascist playbook. It has infested our media so much, it isn't a surprise there are people who jump at shadows and cry "woke" where there is none. When it is there, you'd see the usual shenanigans, like devs going onto social media to demonize gamers, but in the case of this game we haven't seen any of that. They are not capable of subtlety because DEI Pushers are also massive narcissists, so they can't control their mouths. The fact we haven't see that with The Great Circle is interesting.

You are completely full of it. Both Fascism and Communism are anti-DEI to the extreme. So extreme they dress up even children in little uniforms so they all look alike. Everyone is supposed to look the same, act the same and think the same.

One look at old pictures of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy shows how both required their people to look as close to identical as possible. They both hated anything that didn't fit within their norm and narrow world view and sought to rid the world of those they deemed "others".

[moonlightavenger]

Originally posted by Molesworth.Houghton:

Why do you ask to understand where the wokeness in these game is? It's simply a fashion word for the new generation. Every new game is woke, every movie is woke, their parents are woke today. Just everything.

Because I disagree with this interpretation. When people say that something is 'woke' they mean something. To some 'woke' means new characters of <insert buzzword demographic> upstaging beloved older characters. To others it means 'there is a woman with plot relevance in the game'. I believe that one of these is eggregious and a red flag for bad writing, the other is more like a fact of life with little relevance.

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by muh_dingus:

Originally posted by longjohn119:

You are completely full of it. Both Fascism and Communism are anti-DEI to the extreme. So extreme they dress up even children in little uniforms so they all look alike. Everyone is supposed to look the same, act the same and think the same.

One look at old pictures of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy shows how both required their people to look as close to identical as possible. They both hated anything that didn't fit within their norm and narrow world view and sought to rid the world of those they deemed "others".

Some of the anti-woke crowd would unironically state that that's the point. They'd probably say something like, "well, the wokes want us to fit in their narrow world view!" or something.

[Blacksmith77K]

Originally posted by AnihilatoR:

I was about to ask why it matters to have a lesbian with Indiana Jones in a puzzle game?! Not that it matters, but it seems pointless in that setting.

How much they've spent on developing this game to ask such a high price?! It's already a niche, it's no surprising there's not many playing.

Still, game looks good, probably buy when in sale, since i do like puzzles and Indiana Jones.

Question is: why noone care about the fact, that Ellie in TLOU is a lesbian?

RIGHT, because it doesn't matter. I will never understand why there is a constant debate about woke and not-woke....

[Shrinkshooter]

Originally posted by moonlightavenger:

This is why I'm asking. People are straight up lying about the game.
And, at the same time, some people are getting so triggered by the question itself that they completely miss the intention.

To answer your question, I've only thus far seen evidence of two "woke" things: a one-off comment by some Nazi badguy and the lesbian.

For the first, it's some badguy leader who says, in effect, "Nothing is easier to manipulate than an insecure male." Which is pretty immersion breaking simply because it sounds like it jumped straight out of the screed of some bitter man-hating feminist. Now, a Nazi propagandist certainly could express this general sentiment, but not in these terms, and at the very least it'd be more fitting to just say "person" or "people" or talk about fear as well, not singling out men. We've seen the kinds of people that unironically say this repeatedly in modern day, so we know what kind of person put this line in the game and why.

For the woman: it isn't that the inclusion of a lesbian is itself an issue, it's how she's treated. Her orientation is treated in an extremely cavalier and casual way that absolutely would have been wildly out of place for the late 1930s. Characters speak about it as if they're cosmopolitan socialites from a coastal city in 2024, and not people who are living in a time with entirely different attitudes and conventions.

Outside of those two things, I haven't seen evidence of anything else. Indy's sidekick is a "your mileage may vary," I've seen some complaints that she girlbosses all over the place as a kind of take-that to men. Depends on your perception