Textures low at 1080p needs minimum 8GB video memory

[Rubik]

For 4K and textures low you will need 10GB. Runs 60 fps 4K native with textures high on RTX 4070. Just check video memory usage while changing texture settings and resolution. It's interactive. :)

[Aris]

Originally posted by TimmyP:

"Try running Doom 3 at the higher texture quality with a 256 MB GPU"

I did. It was playable. Not a hard, constant 5fps. Because it was programmed like a pc game and not a console port with optimization amputations.

You didn't. It was a mess. There were freezes of even several seconds when entering new rooms.

[TimmyP]

I did. 8600gt. Doom 3 high. It did have some stuttering but it was by no means unplayable. It was by no means literal powerpoint.

There is one VERY good thing to all of this though!

If this catches on, we can all buy AMD again!

Thank **** so many devs are on with UE5.

[Aris]

Originally posted by TimmyP:

I did. 8600gt. Doom 3 high. It did have some stuttering but it was by no means unplayable. It was by no means literal powerpoint.

There is one VERY good thing to all of this though!

If this catches on, we can all buy AMD again!

Thank **** so many devs are on with UE5.

High is not ultra. Yes, high was fine with 256 MB. It was ultra that required 512, and would run like ass on a 256MB card.

[TimmyP]

It was .NOTHING. like this. That is different from what I am talking about. This game's launch screen can boot at 3fps if one setting is off by one in game notch. OOPS they didnt really think that one through!

[Zapmaster]

Bringing up Doom 3 up is a good point, people have just become entitled whiners now. Back in early 2K's it used be normal for PC games to require high end hardware for high settings, and it used be normal that your 2 year old mid range GPU could barely run AAA games. And those were the exciting times when upgrading your hardware actually meant something. I can't even play this with my GTX 2060 6gb, but it's great seeing a game come out that pushes high end hardware. We need more of this on PC, not less.

[Rubik]

I bought Geforce 3 in 2001 because of Doom 3. When it came out in 2004 it ran but not good enough so I upgraded to 9600 XT. It was playable but Geforce 6 would have been better I guess.

[TimmyP]

Originally posted by Zapmaster:

Bringing up Doom 3 up is a good point, people have just become entitled whiners now. Back in early 2K's it used be normal for PC games to require high end hardware for high settings, and it used be normal that your 2 year old mid range GPU could barely run AAA games. And those were the exciting times when upgrading your hardware actually meant something. I can't even play this with my GTX 2060 6gb, but it's great seeing a game come out that pushes high end hardware. We need more of this on PC, not less.

Thats horse**** and I am not gonna let you drive the conversation away from this. For 20 years weve been able to sacrifice fps for quality, and for 20 years weve been able to sacrifice quality for fps. We have never seen a constant hard drop like this, ever. We have never seen lower-tiered GPUs outperform higher fiered GPUs of the same architecture, ever.

*and sorry you are most defintetly gonna see MORE considering UE5, but that engine is showing pretty constant performance across games. If you have a 3060ti or higher, and know the secrets, you are set with UE5 for a long time, at least based on what weve seen.

[Zapmaster]

Originally posted by TimmyP:

Originally posted by Zapmaster:

Bringing up Doom 3 up is a good point, people have just become entitled whiners now. Back in early 2K's it used be normal for PC games to require high end hardware for high settings, and it used be normal that your 2 year old mid range GPU could barely run AAA games. And those were the exciting times when upgrading your hardware actually meant something. I can't even play this with my GTX 2060 6gb, but it's great seeing a game come out that pushes high end hardware. We need more of this on PC, not less.

Thats horse**** and I am not gonna let you drive the conversation away from this. For 20 years weve been able to sacrifice fps for quality, and for 20 years weve been able to sacrifice quality for fps. We have never seen a constant hard drop like this, ever. We have never seen lower-tiered GPUs outperform higher fiered GPUs of the same architecture, ever.

*and sorry you are most defintetly gonna see MORE considering UE5, but that engine is showing pretty constant performance across games. If you have a 3060ti or higher, and know the secrets, you are set with UE5 for a long time, at least based on what weve seen.

It's not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though, I distinctly remember my maybe 3 year old Voodoo 3 not being able to run GTA 3 at all due to lack of memory. And I remember many AAA games running like ass on my FX 5900 not too long after I bought it even at low settings. And look, I am not saying you are wrong here and that more couldn't have been done by the devs but RTX 3060 is almost 5 years old. Expectations for old hardware to run new games is now common and people get mad when that's not the case. This was not a thing people used to get mad about with PC gaming back in the day, most people were just happy to see graphics advancements and excited to upgrade. That said, we may also see mods here that make this playable on less VRAM.

[TimmyP]

Dude. A cheap 3060 12gb is outperforming a 3060ti, 3070, 3080 10gb, 4060, 4060ti 8gb... by 65fps. DLSS does almost nothing subjectively, when it should be increasing fps at least subjectively... as its not a bandaid. This is the only game that has come close to happening in, ever. Its *explicitly* because of vram total, and complete lack of modern memory management systems in the game.

I am not trying to argue, but this game clearly forgoes something at the expense of its userbase. I have seen much higher resolution textures in Cyberpunk, heck I am using a texture upscaling mod on a 3070 with the game maxed pathtraced at 1440p, DLSSp. No that is not a joke I am half done with Phantom Liberty as of yesterday. Oh no, it gets down to 50fps at times.

[Aris]

Originally posted by TimmyP:

It was .NOTHING. like this. That is different from what I am talking about. This game's launch screen can boot at 3fps if one setting is off by one in game notch. OOPS they didnt really think that one through!

How it's different? The game became unplayable exclusively because of the lack of VRAM. The same that happens here. (edit: fun fact, there was no GPU at the game's launch date capable of runing that game at ultra, since no GPU had 512 MB yet),

In this game the so called title screen is already in game. The game automatically loads your last save when it starts. That's why the performance is the same.

Originally posted by TimmyP:

This is the only game that has come close to happening in, ever. Its *explicitly* because of vram total, and complete lack of modern memory management systems in the game.

Your beloved UE has the same issues when it runs out of VRAM. See a the 3080 getting single digit FPS in Hogwards Legacy in certain scenes (they patched it by lowering the texture pool size. Now the ultra setting is the same as medium was at launch. Thanks to people like you it's no longer possible to play with actual ultra texture quality).

[c0Zm1c]

Originally posted by Rubik:

Proof by Digital Foundry to the settings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbvxohT032E

Alex says to use the "medium" setting for texture pool size on 8GB graphics cards at 1080p though, not the "low" you put in the thread title. See the chart at 8:49 in the video.

[TimmyP]

What a lazy scam. I know why they did what they did not about to get into it. This game is an easy pass.

That was a nice try reviewers. This game has that Ryse: Son of Rome feel to it.

[c0Zm1c]

Originally posted by TimmyP:

This game has that Ryse: Son of Rome feel to it.

I think I would have enjoyed Ryse if the combat wasn't so basic and obnoxiously repetitive. I refunded it but even within the two hour refund window I quickly became bored of it.

[Dorris the Lunch Lady]

Originally posted by TimmyP:

Dude. A cheap 3060 12gb is outperforming a 3060ti, 3070, 3080 10gb, 4060, 4060ti 8gb... by 65fps. DLSS does almost nothing subjectively, when it should be increasing fps at least subjectively... as its not a bandaid. This is the only game that has come close to happening in, ever. Its *explicitly* because of vram total, and complete lack of modern memory management systems in the game.

I am not trying to argue, but this game clearly forgoes something at the expense of its userbase. I have seen much higher resolution textures in Cyberpunk, heck I am using a texture upscaling mod on a 3070 with the game maxed pathtraced at 1440p, DLSSp. No that is not a joke I am half done with Phantom Liberty as of yesterday. Oh no, it gets down to 50fps at times.

Just buy a console. PC gaming isn't for everyone, and whining about it won't change anything. The game is insanely well optimised, with no compiler shading and is very fun. You can cry all you want, but I am having a blast.

[TimmyP]

Nah. This is unprecedented, and you are directly trying to be taken advantage of... or are one of the ones propagating it, as that is the way it works.

This game could not be more of a scam. See that Nvidia logo on the game? That is what its all about. Whatever, this game is a flavor of the week. UE5 doesn't work the way this games engine does, and that is a good thing whether people realize it or not. In that engine, and pretty much everywhere else? 3060ti easily beats a 3060. This game just leaves untapped resources on the table, or manages them inefficiently for pc.

*and this game on the 8gb 3060? Dont even get me started. One 3060 can max this, one cant. SAME CARD.