Was gonna buy this till I found out RT is required

[Crazytrain334]

I am sick of comapnies freaking forcing ray tracing down consumers freaking throughts hey guess what im on a 1060 id like to beable to enjoy the damn games to thanks bethesda thats two now I cant even freaking load

[TNX.]

There's no way YOU are complaining when you still have a 1060...a card that came out almost 10 years ago. Do yourself a favor, please

[NatT96]

Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Originally posted by NatT96:

The comment section here is so vile, a ton of people expecting others are able to easily upgrade to new hardware and borderline making fun of people who can’t run the game. Personally I feel like the requirement is a bit extreme for a single player game even if it’s an impressive leap in visuals. A lot of people wanted to play this game and now can’t because they can’t shove out $300-400+ for a graphics card or next gen console right away. I think that’s the one thing people with high end rigs aren’t seeing at all is that people have budgets to follow and this is a huge requirement for most people with gaming pc hardware that can run 90% of other titles without this requirement. This really could affect the later reception and sales of the game as a whole on PC.

Then go and play on of the 90% of games you can play, why ruin our games?

You're bragging about all these games you have, yet we have one game that pushes our hardware and you wont even let us have it.

If more games had this requirement it would become a nightmare for people entering the PC gaming sphere as a whole. The game doesn’t even launch without a RT GPU. There are people who have budget builds running new games without this requirement. When people buy or build PC’s they expect that longevity and flexibility running old and even new games. Some people don’t even care about visual upgrades and don’t mind running a game on Low 30FPS, those type of people do exist.

[UnHoly Xander]

The reason hardware RT is REQUIRED is because the game uses real time global illumination to make the light and shadows more realistic. RTGI (real time global illumination) is taxing to the extreme on non-RT GPUs. The Xbox Series consoles run settings lower than the lowest setting found on the PC version.

TLDR; due to the nature of how the game is designed, and wanting the experience to be more authentic and immersive to the player, RTGI is required and thus your hardware must be capable. It is just that simple. An RTX 4060 can play the game (as it is) on high settings at 60fps with no issue. This is a $200-300 USD GPU. Cheaper than any (new) PS5, Xbox Series X, etc.

DF has a nice breakdown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbvxohT032E

That being said: I have a FTW3 RTX 3090 & i9-10900K @ 5.2 ghz and I'm north of 100FPS @ 3440x1440p with everything maxed out completely right now. If you follow the DF guide and have capable hardware (not extreme by any means) you will have a better than console experience as of right now.

[!HotCakeX]

Like others said, you need to upgrade your hardware. People don't want to be held back because of old hardware compatibility. New hardware offers so much new features and capabilities.

[chris100185]

Originally posted by NatT96:

The comment section here is so vile, a ton of people expecting others are able to easily upgrade to new hardware and borderline making fun of people who can’t run the game. Personally I feel like the requirement is a bit extreme for a single player game even if it’s an impressive leap in visuals. A lot of people wanted to play this game and now can’t because they can’t shove out $300-400+ for a graphics card or next gen console right away. I think that’s the one thing people with high end rigs aren’t seeing at all is that people have budgets to follow and this is a huge requirement for most people with gaming pc hardware that can run 90% of other titles without this requirement. This really could affect the later reception and sales of the game as a whole on PC.

Right Away? The first post is talking a bout a 1060. A lower mid range card from almost 9 years ago and almost 4 generations old. He could spend less than $300 and get a card that will run circles around that thing. Or less than $250 if he's fine with used. No shame if he can't, but that just means he can't play this. And this game is hardly unique in there. These days, even without RT, the 1060 is very often just at or just below minimum requirements.

[[Redacted]]

While ray tracing is a nice looking aesthetic it doesn't contribute anything of value to the gameplay or overall experience. It's just nice looking "god rays" of light.

I like graphical fidelity, but not at the expense of other core elements in the game. I would prefer better writing, cooler art direction or strong gameplay at slightly lesser visuals.

I'm all about individual choice and I don't think RT should be forced so if I want to sacrifice some graphical fidelity for a FPS bump and a smoother experience so be it.

[NatT96]

Originally posted by chris100185:

Originally posted by NatT96:

The comment section here is so vile, a ton of people expecting others are able to easily upgrade to new hardware and borderline making fun of people who can’t run the game. Personally I feel like the requirement is a bit extreme for a single player game even if it’s an impressive leap in visuals. A lot of people wanted to play this game and now can’t because they can’t shove out $300-400+ for a graphics card or next gen console right away. I think that’s the one thing people with high end rigs aren’t seeing at all is that people have budgets to follow and this is a huge requirement for most people with gaming pc hardware that can run 90% of other titles without this requirement. This really could affect the later reception and sales of the game as a whole on PC.

Right Away? The first post is talking a bout a 1060. A lower mid range card from almost 9 years ago and almost 4 generations old. He could spend less than $300 and get a card that will run circles around that thing. Or less than $250 if he's fine with used. No shame if he can't, but that just means he can't play this. And this game is hardly unique in there. These days, even without RT, the 1060 is very often just at or just below minimum requirements.

There is going to be a ton of people that are going to mistakenly buy this game. I'm not solely focusing on the 1060 bottleneck but the way the limitation is more so pushed. Its still pushing away a massive amount of people who barely found out about the requirement and that just sucks.

[Taco_hunter]

Originally posted by Last Jackdaw:

Income inequality has its drawbacks, huh?

I have a 4080 super and own my own home (no mortgage).

You live in bumfuc iwowa

[人定胜天]

Originally posted by Last Jackdaw:

Originally posted by Cheeze Wizard:

Only impressive if you have kids and single income. Also at that point save for another month and get a 4090.

Got me on the no kids and single income.
I have some mental issues so i decided against having children.

I do dote on my sister's kids though.

lol

[Xylo]

You're using a card so old... Just upgrade already you cheap skate!

[some guy]

Originally posted by Finkledbody:

Originally posted by Last Jackdaw:

Income inequality has its drawbacks, huh?

I have a 4080 super and own my own home (no mortgage).

Peasant. What u can’t afford the 4090?

income inequality, he got shafted

[Pakek 3.3]

You'd be cooked even if RT weren't forced.

[Cheeze Wizard]

Originally posted by NatT96:

Originally posted by chris100185:

Right Away? The first post is talking a bout a 1060. A lower mid range card from almost 9 years ago and almost 4 generations old. He could spend less than $300 and get a card that will run circles around that thing. Or less than $250 if he's fine with used. No shame if he can't, but that just means he can't play this. And this game is hardly unique in there. These days, even without RT, the 1060 is very often just at or just below minimum requirements.

There is going to be a ton of people that are going to mistakenly buy this game. I'm not solely focusing on the 1060 bottleneck but the way the limitation is more so pushed. Its still pushing away a massive amount of people who barely found out about the requirement and that just sucks.

A massive amount? I pulled up the steam hardware survey and a vast vast majority of it is RT capable. Considering this game needs 8 gigs of VRAM as a baseline and drops down to 5 fps when vram runs out, the most popular card that could run this at playable frame rates if this game didn't use RT in its lighting is a GTX 1070 which is at 29th place in popularity rankings. And of those 28 above, 4 are integrated graphics solutions and only three are dedicated video cards which don't have the vram, only one of which is in the top 10 and none of which are in the top three.

A vast majority of users have the hardware to run this game. The minimum GPU required can be acquired new for as low as $180 USD and hasn't been much higher than that over the years. We have had 6 years of RT for the cards people actually buy. And for AMD cards that don't start popping up until past that top 30, the most popular is a RX 6600 which can run this game just fine.

[aureumchaos]

this post is just a bait... 1060 in 2025... my phone have better gpu.. get real...

[Lithurge]

Originally posted by Cheeze Wizard:

A vast majority of users have the hardware to run this game. The minimum GPU required can be acquired new for as low as $180 USD and hasn't been much higher than that over the years.

You can say the same about the need for SSD's for recent games, plenty of people have the base hardware to play games, but then complain when the fact is they've only got a HDD and that causes issues.

The reality is PC gaming has always required users to upgrade their PC's at a certain point to continue playing new games. And there will always be a crossover point where there are a small number of new games that start to force the issue.