RAY TRACING ***REQUIRED***??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

[ZlatanTheCrow]

Putting this notice 2 days before release is a JOKE. I'm requesting a refund, it's stupid to force people to have something that is NOT IMPORTANT FOR A GAME to be MANDATORY.

You want to force people to upgrade their setup that runs everything else just fine, forgetting that this planet has like 200 countries and maybe it's "cheap" to upgrade in the US or Europe, but Latin America is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in that regard.

Thank you Bethesda & Microsoft. You ruined both my day and my dad's. We were extremely looking forward to this game.

If anyone know a way to disable this requirement, please let me know.

[Dagtag]

引用自 Tr0w：

引用自 Ray tracing is faster：

lol, you can have the best RAM but an underpowered GPU and thus get awful RT performance. All of it matters.

Depends on the execution, i mean i 100 percented Indy and i'm now playing GoW Ragnarok and imho Ragnarok is the more visually impressive title. And it doesn't even have RT let alone PT.

Visually impressive is quite subjective though, compared to objective things such as the presence of ray tracing and path tracing.

“Visually impressive” is not directly tied to performance

[Tr0w]

引用自 Dagtag：

引用自 Tr0w：

Depends on the execution, i mean i 100 percented Indy and i'm now playing GoW Ragnarok and imho Ragnarok is the more visually impressive title. And it doesn't even have RT let alone PT.

Visually impressive is quite subjective though, compared to objective things such as the presence of ray tracing and path tracing.

“Visually impressive” is not directly tied to performance

Well i mean Raganarok also has much better performance due to lacking those things and also that its implementations of HDR, upscaling, and FG are better, textures look a lot cleaner and more crisp as well. It doesn't have Indy's pop in issues either.

[Carighan]

引用自 Dagtag：

Visually impressive is quite subjective though, compared to objective things such as the presence of ray tracing and path tracing.

“Visually impressive” is not directly tied to performance

Very much true.

I was playing Avatar Frontiers of Pandora and Horizon Forbidden West at about the same time, alternatingly. While HFW has insanely lush graphics with a ton of nice fidelity and really well-crafted graphics, it just pales in comparison to Avatar's first and third area in particular when it comes to visually WOWing the player.

[_oBSOLEte_]

People have modded the game already to be played on the SteamDeck. I.e. a non-RTX card, running on linux.

This is proof that RTX isn't mandatory technically for this game. It never was anything but just another scam move from Bethesda and Nvidia, as the game was given for free with their cards.

In a few month, if there is still interest for this game, it will be optimized and modded enough for full playability on a GTX1080. But I doubt that will be enough to make of this game a success and prevent Bethesda from shutting down Machine Games. Another studio sacrificed, another game that could have been good, only to be rushed into slop to feed the Gamepass cancer.

[Dagtag]

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

People have modded the game already to be played on the SteamDeck. I.e. a non-RTX card, running on linux.

This is proof that RTX isn't mandatory technically for this game. It never was anything but just another scam move from Bethesda and Nvidia, as the game was given for free with their cards.

In a few month, if there is still interest for this game, it will be optimized and modded enough for full playability on a GTX1080. But I doubt that will be enough to make of this game a success and prevent Bethesda from shutting down Machine Games. Another studio sacrificed, another game that could have been good, only to be rushed into slop to feed the Gamepass cancer.

Wrong. RTX was never mandatory, rt support was.

At least try to look into things before making absurd claims.

The steamdeck officially supports ray tracing. So it running in the steamdeck doesn’t prove that it “doesnt need rt”.

Stop actively spreading misinformation

[Ray tracing is faster]

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

People have modded the game already to be played on the SteamDeck. I.e. a non-RTX card, running on linux.

Steam Deck uses RDNA 2 which has RT cores, so it is an RT card. "RTX" is just a marketing name for a NVIDIA product suite.

Although the post above mine beat me to the punch.

[_oBSOLEte_]

You're clueless. Any graphics card can run raytracing on linux with radv. It's basically software raytracing.

RT support is not mandatory for any game. It was forced here because it's a scam move, a deal between Nvidia and Bethesda.

[Dagtag]

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

You're clueless. Any graphics card can run raytracing on linux with radv. It's basically software raytracing.

Stop spreading falsehoods….

Yes, in theory every gpu can run rt, in practice this is not the case….

Games get developed using pre existing api’s, those api’s are only supported by certain gpu’s.

So no, ray tracing cannot be run on any hardware when using a specific api. To suggest using a different api is absolute bonkers.

Just accept that you were wrong and do some more research.

RT support is not mandatory for any game. It was forced here because it's a scam move, a deal between Nvidia and Bethesda.

Dx12 isn’t mandatory to run games, windows 10 isn’t mandatory to run games, physx isn’t mandatory to run games.

Yet a lot of games have these requirements because of api requirements. You are actively trying to halt progression. Do better.

[_oBSOLEte_]

But it doesnt matter, the harm is done. The game sold poorly and that hardware requirement scam announced just two days short of the release only contributed to that.

The studio responsible for the french localization of the game, Bethesda Lyon IIRC, has already been closed. Poor sales will be the convenient excusee for them to liquidate Machine Games. Another sacrifice for the gamepass cancer. That's what they do.

[_oBSOLEte_]

引用自 Dagtag：

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

You're clueless. Any graphics card can run raytracing on linux with radv. It's basically software raytracing.

Stop spreading falsehoods….

Yes, in theory every gpu can run rt, in practice this is not the case….

Games get developed using pre existing api’s, those api’s are only supported by certain gpu’s.

So no, ray tracing cannot be run on any hardware when using a specific api. To suggest using a different api is absolute bonkers.

Just accept that you were wrong and do some more research.

RT support is not mandatory for any game. It was forced here because it's a scam move, a deal between Nvidia and Bethesda.

Dx12 isn’t mandatory to run games, windows 10 isn’t mandatory to run games, physx isn’t mandatory to run games.

Yet a lot of games have these requirements because of api requirements. You are actively trying to halt progression. Do better.

Eat your crow.

Why dont you pay for this game you spend so much of your time defending? Put your money where your mouth is.

[Dagtag]

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

But it doesnt matter, the harm is done. The game sold poorly and that hardware requirement scam announced just two days short of the release only contributed to that.

The studio responsible for the french localization of the game, Bethesda Lyon IIRC, has already been closed. Poor sales will be the convenient excusee for them to liquidate Machine Games. Another sacrifice for the gamepass cancer. That's what they do.

Oh but it does matter. You were trying to spread misinformation.

Making an incorrect argument matters, because that was your entire point of it “not being needed”….

This isn’t even a “requirement scam”. This technology is 6 years old.

Don’t like it? Move on, complaining here won’t help anyone

[Dagtag]

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

引用自 Dagtag：

Stop spreading falsehoods….

Yes, in theory every gpu can run rt, in practice this is not the case….

Games get developed using pre existing api’s, those api’s are only supported by certain gpu’s.

So no, ray tracing cannot be run on any hardware when using a specific api. To suggest using a different api is absolute bonkers.

Just accept that you were wrong and do some more research.


Dx12 isn’t mandatory to run games, windows 10 isn’t mandatory to run games, physx isn’t mandatory to run games.

Yet a lot of games have these requirements because of api requirements. You are actively trying to halt progression. Do better.

Eat your crow.

Why dont you pay for this game you spend so much of your time defending? Put your money where your mouth is.

That is highly illogical.

Why would i spend money to play a game on steam, when i already have access to the game elsewhere?

That sounds like a waste of money. No need to attack and belittle me just because i pointed out your mistake

[_oBSOLEte_]

And for every scam, there are shills.

[Dagtag]

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

And for every scam, there are shills.

Firstly, explain how this is a scam exactly….

Secondly, you can make your point without being rude to people…

[_oBSOLEte_]

引用自 Dagtag：

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

And for every scam, there are shills.

Firstly, explain how this is a scam exactly….

Secondly, you can make your point without being rude to people…

Already explained it all here :

引用自 _oBSOLEte_：

People have modded the game already to be played on the SteamDeck. I.e. a non-RTX card, running on linux.

This is proof that RTX isn't mandatory technically for this game. It never was anything but just another scam move from Bethesda and Nvidia, as the game was given for free with their cards.

In a few month, if there is still interest for this game, it will be optimized and modded enough for full playability on a GTX1080. But I doubt that will be enough to make of this game a success and prevent Bethesda from shutting down Machine Games. Another studio sacrificed, another game that could have been good, only to be rushed into slop to feed the Gamepass cancer.