RAY TRACING ***REQUIRED***??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

[ZlatanTheCrow]

Putting this notice 2 days before release is a JOKE. I'm requesting a refund, it's stupid to force people to have something that is NOT IMPORTANT FOR A GAME to be MANDATORY.

You want to force people to upgrade their setup that runs everything else just fine, forgetting that this planet has like 200 countries and maybe it's "cheap" to upgrade in the US or Europe, but Latin America is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in that regard.

Thank you Bethesda & Microsoft. You ruined both my day and my dad's. We were extremely looking forward to this game.

If anyone know a way to disable this requirement, please let me know.

[KaneKool]

Do not buy this or other AAA and some AA game with RTX 30XX and below. From now on only RTX 40XX and up and DDR5 RAM!

[Ransom]

Publicado originalmente por KaneKool:

Do not buy this or other AAA and some AA game with RTX 30XX and below. From now on only RTX 40XX and up and DDR5 RAM!

mh... it works well with some 30xx cards with the right settings so i would say a 30xx board is still ok too... depends on the game and the possible settings. watch some benchmark videos on yt

[Dagtag]

Publicado originalmente por Ransom:

Publicado originalmente por KaneKool:

Do not buy this or other AAA and some AA game with RTX 30XX and below. From now on only RTX 40XX and up and DDR5 RAM!

mh... it works well with some 30xx cards with the right settings so i would say a 30xx board is still ok too... depends on the game and the possible settings. watch some benchmark videos on yt

Yep, i have a 3070, works like a charm

[Captain Flappy]

Publicado originalmente por Majestic:

Publicado originalmente por LilDipper:

Refund away if you have a potato, no one cares.

You must be the "do you guys not have phones?" guy.

Publicado originalmente por Warhawks:

Not sure why you are complaining as most basic Graphics cards can handle ray-tracing. Even most 1080s if not all. But I see where you come from

Yeah no, they dont. 4090 is the only GPU that does it OK-ish. But you're still sacrificing high-refresh. And all the cards below it quickly run out of VRAM. Another Jensen lie that 80%+ of the market fell for.

He's worse than Todd.

What are you on about? are you confusing ray tracing and path tracing?

My 3080 can run the game at 4k with mostly high setting at constant 60fps.

[Captain Flappy]

Publicado originalmente por KaneKool:

Do not buy this or other AAA and some AA game with RTX 30XX and below. From now on only RTX 40XX and up and DDR5 RAM!

Another ignorant comment... 3080 runs this game at 4k at 60fps constant.

[Ray tracing is faster]

Publicado originalmente por KaneKool:

Do not buy this or other AAA and some AA game with RTX 30XX and below. From now on only RTX 40XX and up and DDR5 RAM!

Triggered bum spreading misinformation. The RTX 3060 12GB and above 3000 series cards run this game easily, and everything above the 3050 will be fine on appropriate settings. For AMD, the RX 6600 and above will be fine. Furthermore, the RTX 3060 12GB crushes the RTX 4060 in this game.

The minimum recommend card, the RTX 2060 SUPER, as well as the rest of the Turing lineup above that, will also be fine.

The XBOX Series X has a card slightly beneath the RX 6600 XT, and runs this game at 60 FPS with an average resolution of 3200 x 1800 upscaled to 4k.

[Ted]

Publicado originalmente por Ray tracing is faster:

Publicado originalmente por Ted:

Yeah I think it was a Digital Foundry or something vid I watched on this and Ray Tracing is actually far faster as it can accurately calculate light in a scene whereas the old school rasterised light has to be coded manually for each scene.

The lighting process of level design is much faster and more efficient with ray tracing, yeah. Without it, you place your point lights, and then bake static ambient lights to fill in the gaps because your point lights don't bounce like real lighting does, which RTGI solves. And then simulating reflections was janky and convoluted too, while with RT/PT, they happen automatically.

Also, with raster lighting, you're severely limited in how many dynamic light sources you can have before performance tanks. While with RTXDI and UE5 MegaLights, you can effectively make every light source in a scene dynamic, and not ruin performance.

This is why my Steam name is as is, to teach people that RT/PT can be the FASTER rendering method. It scales more linearly than raster.

Yeah I learned that is actually the case with the only downside is that it is obviously more computationally expensive but clearly this is the way forward for games.

It does make me laugh when I see people claiming RT is some kind of an Nvidia scam to sell their graphics cards, as if Nvidia invented RT lighting and shadows lol

[Ted]

Publicado originalmente por Captain Flappy:

Publicado originalmente por Majestic:

You must be the "do you guys not have phones?" guy.



Yeah no, they dont. 4090 is the only GPU that does it OK-ish. But you're still sacrificing high-refresh. And all the cards below it quickly run out of VRAM. Another Jensen lie that 80%+ of the market fell for.

He's worse than Todd.

What are you on about? are you confusing ray tracing and path tracing?

My 3080 can run the game at 4k with mostly high setting at constant 60fps.

Yeah i would totally believe this, it is just full path tracing where things get intensive but that is the same for any game as the 30xx series were and still are great cards, just the lower end lacked VRAM for future games

[Ray tracing is faster]

Publicado originalmente por Ted:

It does make me laugh when I see people claiming RT is some kind of an Nvidia scam to sell their graphics cards, as if Nvidia invented RT lighting and shadows lol

Oh yeah, people think all ray/path tracing falls under the NVIDIA RTX branch. Most have no grasp that ray tracing is a standard feature in DirectX 12 Ultimate (DXR - DirectX Ray Tracing) and Vulkan. Acknowledging that both do build on NVIDIA's foundational work in OptiX, but both DX12 and Vulkan also build on AMD foundational work in Mantle.

[Dagtag]

Publicado originalmente por Ray tracing is faster:

Publicado originalmente por Ted:

It does make me laugh when I see people claiming RT is some kind of an Nvidia scam to sell their graphics cards, as if Nvidia invented RT lighting and shadows lol

Oh yeah, people think all ray/path tracing falls under the NVIDIA RTX branch. Most have no grasp that ray tracing is a standard feature in DirectX 12 Ultimate (DXR - DirectX Ray Tracing) and Vulkan. Acknowledging that both do build on NVIDIA's foundational work in OptiX, but both DX12 and Vulkan also build on AMD foundational work in Mantle.

These people likely don’t even know how game engines work.

They probably don’t realise that rasterisation and ray tracing are two ways of rendering something, and that rasterisation is an “estimation” that was introduced because ray tracing was so heavy.

Hell, ray tracing isn’t even something new

[Ray tracing is faster]

Publicado originalmente por Dagtag:

These people likely don’t even know how game engines work.

They probably don’t realise that rasterisation and ray tracing are two ways of rendering something, and that rasterisation is an “estimation” that was introduced because ray tracing was so heavy.

Hell, ray tracing isn’t even something new

Yup, most of our favorite games dating back to the 90s use baked ray/path tracing. Only now do we have the software and hardware to run it in real time.

[Ransom]

the first raytraced picture was made in 1963 so its really nothing new ;)
the first algorhithms were released to the public in the late '60s...
and finaly we can use it in real time, thanks to nvidia!

[Ted]

Yeah dudes, I am no expert but I know enough to know that the biggest issue with Ray Tracing in games was it was too intense for the hardware of the day, especially in real time. Excitingly we are at the point where we can actually do this and in a few years even mid/lower tier GPU's will be able to handle full path tracing.

Hell Nvidia may pull out a big surprise in that regard as soon as next year

[c0Zm1c]

Publicado originalmente por Ted:

Hell Nvidia may pull out a big surprise in that regard as soon as next year

The only thing that would surprise me at this point is if Nvidia releases a good value graphics card, like what we used to get. Like the GTX 970 which, despite its perplexing memory configuration was a very competent graphics card at a reasonable price. The 6GB model GTX 1060 is another good example. But those days are gone, never to return I fear. :'(

[Ray tracing is faster]

Publicado originalmente por c0Zm1c:

Publicado originalmente por Ted:

Hell Nvidia may pull out a big surprise in that regard as soon as next year

The only thing that would surprise me at this point is if Nvidia releases a good value graphics card, like what we used to get. Like the GTX 970 which, despite its perplexing memory configuration was a very competent graphics card at a reasonable price. The 6GB model GTX 1060 is another good example. But those days are gone, never to return I fear. :'(

RTX 3060 was a good one, albeit not an all-time great value card. And I mean the original 12GB one, before they made the despicable 8GB one. It performs in between its two competitors - the RX 6600 and RX 6600 XT - and is priced in between. But thanks to its VRAM quantity, it also gets some wins over the RX 6600 XT.

Contrary to the RTX 4060, which is really an RTX 4040 renamed to deceive you. The RX 7600 XT 16GB is a damn good value, though. RDNA 2 was also full of good value cards, namely the RX 6700 series and RX 6800 when its price came down.