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When Windows 95 came out to play most games you had to drop into DOS before you started the game. Even with Windows 98 that was still quite common. I also remember everyone complaining when games started coming out that would only work with a 3D card like a Voodoo or a Rendition video card. You would struggle to get 20 FPS in Quake without one. Then you needed a video card that supported DX9 to play games and everyone griped about that too. Again when they started upgrading to newer Shader Models to play a game and older cards didn't support the newer Shader Models. Or when Windows Vista and later Windows 7 came out and you needed a video card capable of Direct X rendering to display the desktop. (But I don't play video games so why do I need a DX video card?)
The thing is it used to be a rule of thumb that technology had a 10 year shelf life before you needed to upgrade. Now it's more like 4-5 years before you need to upgrade because everything moves a little faster.
If you want to play the game on a 5700 XT, you'll have to play on Linux, where RT can be emulated via Mesa/RADV on your GPU. It won't work on Windows, due to no hardware RT on RDNA1. RT in this game is super light, so performance will probably be great even with RT emulated.
Game only has id tech's TSAA with dynamic resolution. No FSR / XeSS / FSR3FG present for now. Neither are there mods that allow modding in FSR upscaling / FG at the moment, but it's being worked on.
It's a true current gen game that has been developed exclusively for the current set of consoles which all support HW raytracing. You are just lucky most current gen games use Unreal Engine 5 which has a good software raytracing fallback.
RDNA1 isn't that far off from RDNA2. There's like one function missing for raytracing that can be emulated in Linux.
Mesh shaders are SUPPOSED to be converted to primitive shaders in dx12. No mention of vulkan.
RDNA supports a basic "dumb" method of VRS, which has supposedly been implemented in consoles, but it's not an official feature and no PC dev has supported it. It's not necessary either, it's just a performance hack, which so is FSR. I have a feeling the steam deck shader performance hack is basically this function. AMD does not give Windows users access to generic VRS like steam deck, it's a steam OS exclusive feature.
The 2060 was never worth buying due to the high markup and little performance gain over previous hardware. Nothing 8gb and under is even acceptable now regardless.
If you bought a 5700XT, that was the right choice at the time. The mistake was KEEPING IT during the mining bubble, because it could have been sold or traded outright for RDNA2 that performed worse at mining. AMD also has a history of dropping support earlier than Nvidia, and will completely drop windows 10 updates next year.
The only solution to keep using a 5700xt is switching to Linux. Maybe bazzite, and get all the steam os functionality.
Probably a typo, but it's naturally the opposite.
CPU power multiplied across generations rather than just offering the ~10-20% gains, as nowadays. As did GPUs. GPU generations used to be released in 6-12 months cycles. And there were a total of seven years between Wolfenstein 3D (running on a 286 PC), Doom 1 (386) and Quake 3 (Pentium II with a 3D accelerator card.) Those seven years thus made several generations of PC hardware obsolete. Keeping a GPU for years is a recent thing -- unless you never played the more demanding games. Consoles being lead platforms in game development slowed it all down further, as did games now taking several years to make.
Which is also why you can sell hardware (in particular GPUs) that are completely outdated -- and still get money for it. Heck, I could still get half of what I paid for a completely outdated 1050ti in 2017 now. Prior, that was unthinkable. Hardware would be worth half of its price a year or two after launch.
That said, I think people in general looking for a good 12gb NEW card should wait for Intel, because they're releasing their next gen.
If that's not enough, Intel and rdna 4 should lower prices of the 7700.
There isn't any reason to get a 3060 at this point. It's a 1080p Nvidia cope card. Poor man's 4070, who won't buy another brand. Nvidia knew what they were doing with keeping brand loyalty among the desperate, and milking everyone else.
In my price range, it's still one of the more attractive options. The RX 7600 has but 8GB of VRAM (like the RTX 4060). The RX 7600 XT meanwhile has very little more raw rendering power, but still goes for 350 Euros+ right now (too expensive for what it is, despite the 16GB). The RX 6750XT may be an option, for as long as it's still available (its flipside being its power draw). And an RTX 4070 is a 500+ bucks card. Up until a decade ago, barely any cards going over 500 even existed for any generation.
And in a twist of sheer irony, the RTX 3060 / 12 actually was the first card to offer 12GB for under 300 Euros. Where it still sits. AMD paired the RX 6600 against it, suggesting the exact same MSRP as Nvidia did for the 3060 / 12 -- and paired that with but 8GB. :-)
So no I don't think it's a good idea to consider any last gen cards, and this should force AMD to drop prices on existing 12gb inventory instead of the insane markup that is from Nvidia providing cover. Neither vendor will be able to justify their 8gb-12gb offerings, and should massively drop prices to avoid being stuck with unsalable inventory. Which imo 8gb already is.
won't even launch on a rtx 2060
Not that any of this is compatible with this game, because it does it's own internal caching that's incompatible with forcing drivers to do it.
On the CPU front though, anything goes (to sort of quote "Temple Of Doom"). Including Core i3 and Ryzen 3.
Keeping an eye on that as well. However, software support is also gonna be crucial. Also long-term.
This is a market where you pay 250 bucks even for entry level GPUs now. Nobody outside of tech enthusiasts would risk going with product that may perform great with one game, but really bad with another. Or go with what is perceived to be lesser support and software. That's one mistake AMD make from my end as well. Just more recent, when Stalker and Indy were released, Nvidia were all over the place, posting benchmarks and signaling support way in advance.
Stalker's not going to be some perfect game on a 4090 either, and anyone who says it is, is a flat out liar. The game is terribly optimized and the AI is unfinished. A-Life doesn't work, it's not in the game. You're playing an unfinished beta test. Which I'm not surprised, because GSC has a long history of terrible quality control worse than Bethesda, and requiring community fixes after years of official updates. So if someone buys this day one and claims it runs fine, "because Nvidia" I know they're LYING, especially after watching videos saying it's smoother on AMD. Not that I would buy this at all until after they release some patches. It's also CPU BOTTLENECKED ON A 9800X3D. Which probably explains why AMD runs better, because their drivers have less CPU overhead.
Nether game is really that relevant to Intel, as their new card isn't out, Indy isn't popular, and stalker is a broken mess. The Intel card will likely do fine with what people are honestly buying it for, and not attempting a gotcha, which is the typical Nvidia argument. I'd only be concerned if the Intel card couldn't run counter strike, world of warcraft, overwatch, or some other massive game, which hasn't been an issue since the original card launched with day one drivers. The only reason why Intel isn't considered now is that they're barely competing against the 6600 and 3060 with existing products, and a card faster than a 4060 with 12gb for $249 is the exact product they need to be relevant. Absolutely noone is going to care about some single edge case gotcha when it comes to sales, but I guarantee that's all Nvidia users will talk about, even after Intel issues a driver update. Whatever the hypothetical gotcha is will be fixed, and Nvidia fans will still harp on it 2 years after it gets fixed. Which is how you know it's disingenuous. I've seen how this plays out before, the playbook hasn't changed, and it's happened so many times people know the deal.
The only thing I don't get is how Nvidia fans think these tactics still work. They've gone past working, failed, and gone into actively HARMING Nvidia's reputation as being really annoying liars, who say the sky isn't blue when you are looking at it, and you wonder what's wrong with them. Not specifically anyone either, this is the general global behavior of Nvidia fans, and they don't seem to have enough self awareness how ridiculous it is. Like they're brainwashed and can't think for themselves. You mentioned Nvidia being all over the place. That's the problem, you have to separate reality from marketing, and Nvidia fans haven't been able to ever do this. Nvidia sold the FX with the dawn tech demo, the card was unusable trash, and nobody questioned buying it. Happening still to this day.
As a side note, gamers Nexus did a video on the new Intel architecture, and explains some of the improvements. It's a pretty massive change over the previous gen.