Anyone with 5700 XT?

[Deathwing1306]

Or something similar like 2070 Super?

How is the game running for you guys? is it worth to buy when I have 5700 XT? I don't mind FSR or FG and I want to play on 1080p.

[DefectiveByDesign]

Nvidia supposedly has a software raytracing mode for GTX cards, but doesn't work. AMD doesn't provide any fallback, but one was added for Linux. There isn't such a thing that older cards CAN'T do it, it's all driver support. The GTX 10 series were not true dx12 cards, they were dx11 using hacks to run dx12. The performance drop of raytracing is also a scam, because it's based on current rendering techniques. Crytek had raytracing running on a Vega 56. There's a bunch of optimizations out there not being used, and the sole purpose is to sell hardware at a huge markup. This is very clear if you use Nvidia, because the next gen always instantly obsoletes the previous. The biggest tell was when the GTX 960, a budget 2gb 128 bit card beat the 780 playing Witcher 3. Nvidia then moved more to limiting vram after that from the complaints. Which means you can mod 3070s to have 16gb and still be usable, but normal users are out of luck. Nevermind that Nvidia supported turbo cache in the past, you can't use it anymore.

Also, don't forget Nvidia has voxel global illumination. Where is fall back support for any of this? Answer: Don't question, buy the RTX card.

The only answer to any of this would be open source, but then you have to realize that requires developers who care enough to do anything about it. Nvidia had a complete monopoly on upscaling for years, and the lossless scaling developer didn't do anything until AMD open sourced FSR. Developers copy paste more than they actually develop. There's no SLI or major features in Linux. Hell, most distros disable hardware acceleration for video encoding. The only thing I've seen progress on is these modders who mod better support into games for frame generation, and it's usually locked behind some Patreon paywall.

The last time I've seen real video card limit breaking was with the 3dfx voodoo 2, which had a texture resolution limit of 256, and the open source developers modded that out.

Maybe you can count the AMD Linux raytracing hack, but I don't know how well that works, so it's just the vram modders and Patreon guys doing anything today. Anyways, it's all software, so your hardware basically stops working when developers stop supporting it. 3dfx is open source, but we don't have Windows 10 drivers for them. Printers for Windows XP don't work in Windows 10. Everything is driver support. It could work if they wanted, but they want you to consume product, so that's what you have to deal with. This goes beyond hardware, into the operating system itself. Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10. Every update breaks the previous system. You can't run steam on Windows 7. Manufacturers stopped providing drivers for Windows 7 hardware for Windows 11. You want to use window 11? Gotta buy a whole new rig every OS. That's what this is, it's never been that your hardware can't run something. It's more that the software doesn't, and once you can't run windows, you can install Linux for a few extra years out of it.

[Cryptics]

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Me, but the game not work because the rx 5700 XT not support ray tracing.
Wait patch or mod, o u Need change gpu

Oh, well that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen in a game lol.

There are fewer AMD users out there, but there are A LOT of them still, so they might easily lose like 30% of players because of this. What were they smoking while thinking about this lol.

how is it stupid?
the required specs are on the store page.

it's like expecting cheese to not be on your pizza when you order one, when it's a PIZZA lol

[patrick68794]

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Origineel geplaatst door Deathwing1306:

It has been explained to me, but I still have no idea why would anyone do something like this, Metro Exodus also comes with the classic version which works perfectly fine, but Indiana Jones doesn't come with anything.

I can understand that devs are putting their hands away from 4GB or lower VRAM GPUs or that they are purely focusing on new gen consoles, but I have no idea why still quite decent GPU for 1080p gaming isn't enough for the game. You can explain it to me how much you want, but to me this is just a stupid step from the devs because they will lose a lot of players because of this. My GPU is just 5 years old which is still quite decent, I can play literally anything (except Indiana Jones) on comfortable frame rate. If my GPU was like 10 years old, alright I can understand that, but it's just 5 years and it's not that much, RTX 4090 is 2 years old for example and that card can play any games on 1080p until like 2030 on max settings lol.

I have the same GPU and am heartbroken that I can’t play the game. I am praying that they release a patch soon. All I want is for them to take my money. Is that so hard?

They're not going to. That would require them reworking the entire global illumination system.

[patrick68794]

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This has already been explained to you. Your GPU literally lacks the hardware required for this game. You can't play Metro Exodus Enhanced either.

It has been explained to me, but I still have no idea why would anyone do something like this, Metro Exodus also comes with the classic version which works perfectly fine, but Indiana Jones doesn't come with anything.

I can understand that devs are putting their hands away from 4GB or lower VRAM GPUs or that they are purely focusing on new gen consoles, but I have no idea why still quite decent GPU for 1080p gaming isn't enough for the game. You can explain it to me how much you want, but to me this is just a stupid step from the devs because they will lose a lot of players because of this. My GPU is just 5 years old which is still quite decent, I can play literally anything (except Indiana Jones) on comfortable frame rate. If my GPU was like 10 years old, alright I can understand that, but it's just 5 years and it's not that much, RTX 4090 is 2 years old for example and that card can play any games on 1080p until like 2030 on max settings lol.

Because technology advances and ray tracing is going to be the standard going forward. Someone was going to release a game that had hardware RT as a requirement with no other way to play the game, it just so happened to be MachineGames.

[Deathwing1306]

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Origineel geplaatst door Deathwing1306:

It has been explained to me, but I still have no idea why would anyone do something like this, Metro Exodus also comes with the classic version which works perfectly fine, but Indiana Jones doesn't come with anything.

I can understand that devs are putting their hands away from 4GB or lower VRAM GPUs or that they are purely focusing on new gen consoles, but I have no idea why still quite decent GPU for 1080p gaming isn't enough for the game. You can explain it to me how much you want, but to me this is just a stupid step from the devs because they will lose a lot of players because of this. My GPU is just 5 years old which is still quite decent, I can play literally anything (except Indiana Jones) on comfortable frame rate. If my GPU was like 10 years old, alright I can understand that, but it's just 5 years and it's not that much, RTX 4090 is 2 years old for example and that card can play any games on 1080p until like 2030 on max settings lol.

Because technology advances and ray tracing is going to be the standard going forward. Someone was going to release a game that had hardware RT as a requirement with no other way to play the game, it just so happened to be MachineGames.

I am just mad because my hardware isn't even old, I think that they should have waited few more years because there are still many people with GPUs like I have and even though the GPU might be able to run it comfortably on medium settings with FSR on, FG on, on 1080p, they just said "nah, you are not gonna play it at all".

[RainhaDaRanked]

WTF Ray tracing forced?

[fourfourtwo79]

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I am just mad because my hardware isn't even old,

I feel your pain. But in 30 years of PC gaming I've only ever owned a GPU for five years or longer twice. And I could do that only because I didn't play much of any triple-A game at the time. This includes my current one, by the way. Else the average was 3 to 4 years, maximum (and in the beginning, I replaced them like every year or two).

Kinda reminds me of how I refused to upgrade from DOS to Windows 95. Why Windows? Only takes ressources, DOS was fine for gaming. In the beginning, DOS installers were still optional. Then the first game required you to have Windows 95 (and it's DirectX technology, which really caught on with developers as it made life easier for them as well with all the dozens of driver software). And then there was no turning back.

Really curious what Intel is going to introduce with Battlemage in a couple days. That's going to be a 12GB card at above RTX 4060 levels (supposedly) for a reasonable price. They're going to a release a slightly slower one with but 10GB too.

[Deathwing1306]

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Origineel geplaatst door Deathwing1306:

I am just mad because my hardware isn't even old,

I feel your pain. But in 30 years of PC gaming I've only ever owned a GPU for five years or longer twice. And I could do that only because I didn't play much of any triple-A game at the time. This includes my current one, by the way. Else the average was 3 to 4 years, maximum (and in the beginning, I replaced them like every year or two).

Kinda reminds me of how I refused to upgrade from DOS to Windows 95. Why Windows? Only takes ressources, DOS was fine for gaming. In the beginning, DOS installers were still optional. Then the first game required you to have Windows 95 (and it's DirectX technology, which really caught on with developers as it made life easier for them as well with all the dozens of driver software). And then there was no turning back.

Really curious what Intel is going to introduce with Battlemage in a couple days. That's going to be a 12GB card at above RTX 4060 levels (supposedly) for a reasonable price. They're going to a release a slightly slower one with but 10GB too.

Well, I don't really understand your words because I started with Windows XP so I have no idea what any of those other things are lol.

I was thinking about buying a new card, I was looking at 7800 XT because it seems like a card which will hold up for at least 5-6 years easily, but after frame generation became a thing and some games include frame generation, especially the good one like in gow ragnarok or tlou part 1 in which you don't really see any input delay or stuttering, I was like "Why would I buy a new card when this one can still play these games on ultra settings?". I am not sure from where you are from, but in my country, these things are very expensive compared to average salary, the 7800 XT is pretty much like 60% of my monthly pay which is quite a lot lol so I can't really afford to buy new hardware every few years.

I just hope that this game will become playable on my setup after some time because I am probably one of very few people who haven't even saw any of Indiana Jones movies, I might have seen some, but it was so long ago that I can't remember a thing so I was really looking forward to playing it... I was a bit disappointed that it's first person, but it doesn't really matter anymore because I can't even play it lol.

[Deathwing1306]

Also, I just looked at the store page of the game again and there is the PC specs picture and it says standard rendering requirements and full ray tracing requirements, so why actually do they have both of these options shown there, but you have to have a card with RT support to play the game ? There is also in additional notes that ray tracing required, but it's so small that many people might actually miss it so I don't think it really is a good way to do this...

[patrick68794]

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Also, I just looked at the store page of the game again and there is the PC specs picture and it says standard rendering requirements and full ray tracing requirements, so why actually do they have both of these options shown there, but you have to have a card with RT support to play the game ? There is also in additional notes that ray tracing required, but it's so small that many people might actually miss it so I don't think it really is a good way to do this...

Because the game uses ray tracing as a base rendering feature. Full ray tracing is something else entirely.

[Deathwing1306]

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Origineel geplaatst door Deathwing1306:

Also, I just looked at the store page of the game again and there is the PC specs picture and it says standard rendering requirements and full ray tracing requirements, so why actually do they have both of these options shown there, but you have to have a card with RT support to play the game ? There is also in additional notes that ray tracing required, but it's so small that many people might actually miss it so I don't think it really is a good way to do this...

Because the game uses ray tracing as a base rendering feature. Full ray tracing is something else entirely.

I would have no idea what "standard rendering" means if you told me that it isn't a non-ray tracing thing. There isn't really enough information about this, except the small text in the additional notes, I think it should definitely be more visible.

I wanted to buy the game on a site through a key and when I activate the key, there is no way to refund it afterwards so I am glad I didn't buy it, but still, there will be many people who bought a game that they can't even play and they won't be able to refund it. I hope they will add a non-ray tracing support as well in the future because I would really love to play the game.

[patrick68794]

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Because the game uses ray tracing as a base rendering feature. Full ray tracing is something else entirely.

I would have no idea what "standard rendering" means if you told me that it isn't a non-ray tracing thing. There isn't really enough information about this, except the small text in the additional notes, I think it should definitely be more visible.

I wanted to buy the game on a site through a key and when I activate the key, there is no way to refund it afterwards so I am glad I didn't buy it, but still, there will be many people who bought a game that they can't even play and they won't be able to refund it. I hope they will add a non-ray tracing support as well in the future because I would really love to play the game.

They almost certainly will not. That would be a huge amount of work and a waste of resources.

[Deathwing1306]

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I would have no idea what "standard rendering" means if you told me that it isn't a non-ray tracing thing. There isn't really enough information about this, except the small text in the additional notes, I think it should definitely be more visible.

I wanted to buy the game on a site through a key and when I activate the key, there is no way to refund it afterwards so I am glad I didn't buy it, but still, there will be many people who bought a game that they can't even play and they won't be able to refund it. I hope they will add a non-ray tracing support as well in the future because I would really love to play the game.

They almost certainly will not. That would be a huge amount of work and a waste of resources.

Well, more people would buy the game so I don't think it would really be such a waste.

[tarmo888]

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They almost certainly will not. That would be a huge amount of work and a waste of resources.

Well, more people would buy the game so I don't think it would really be such a waste.

People who still haven't bought a Nvidia RTX 20xx or AMD RX 6xxx GPU, probably aren't going to buy a $70 game.

[Deathwing1306]

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Well, more people would buy the game so I don't think it would really be such a waste.

People who still haven't bought a Nvidia RTX 20xx or AMD RX 6xxx GPU, probably aren't going to buy a $70 game.

Well, my 5700 XT can still play them quite comfortably so I don't see any reason not to.