Mouse and Keyboard or Controller

[DarK__Solo]

So asking this question to get peoples thought's me naturally playing a FPS game i use Mouse and Keyboard but game suggest best on controller????

[Astro_Zombie]

^ My god you're insufferable.

[Rivem Bleidd]

Publicado originalmente por Highlancer:

So another "PC game" without proper mouse and keyboard support, eh? Good to know!

So flarking TIRED of these AAA developers not including the most basic feature in a FPS game... a damn toggle walk key.

I don't even... Do they even test this game with mouse + keyboard?!

I agree with you on this, it seems like such a small thing to implement. How hard can it actually be to make a Walk toggle since you're doing keyboard controls anyway. But I think they just don't care.

I asked a CDPR developer on his stream about why there's not Walk button in Cyberpunk and he basically said (I'm paraphrasing) just play with a controller, that's most people do now.

Personally I am still baffled that no games ever copied or built upon the Splinter Cell mechanic where the scroll wheel was used as a movement control button. You would scroll to go from creeping slowly to sprinting (I think) and it worked like an analog stick on controller. Damn shame, I thought that was so awesome.

[Rastlaff]

Publicado originalmente por tarmo888:

The point is that JOG/WALK, RUN, CROUCH are the standard speeds for keyboard and mouse. Analog JOG/WALK speed is a gamepad feature, which isn't in many games either.

What planet are you living on ? Analogue JOG/WALK speed is a gamepad feature ???

It's a FALSE statement ! We've got nowadays keyboards/keypads with pressure-sensitive analogue keys and those are much better and flexible than console controllers, because you can adjust the pressure to your likings and reprogram any key placement. And even the mouse wheel is an analogue device that is accessible by default to every PC user.

[tarmo888]

Publicado originalmente por Rivem Bleidd:

Publicado originalmente por Highlancer:

So another "PC game" without proper mouse and keyboard support, eh? Good to know!

So flarking TIRED of these AAA developers not including the most basic feature in a FPS game... a damn toggle walk key.

I don't even... Do they even test this game with mouse + keyboard?!

I agree with you on this, it seems like such a small thing to implement. How hard can it actually be to make a Walk toggle since you're doing keyboard controls anyway. But I think they just don't care.

Because there is no point for walking slower than default walking speed. Only point for moving slower is stealth, which is done when crouching. Aiming a weapon/camera or holding a light up high also lowers the speed.

[SeRoM]

+1 WALK BIND
+1 HOLD CROUCH
+1 HOLD PEEK

Controller is for third person only :(

[wasteland_ghost]

Publicado originalmente por Rivem Bleidd:

I agree with you on this, it seems like such a small thing to implement. How hard can it actually be to make a Walk toggle since you're doing keyboard controls anyway. But I think they just don't care.

I asked a CDPR developer on his stream about why there's not Walk button in Cyberpunk and he basically said (I'm paraphrasing) just play with a controller, that's most people do now.

Personally I am still baffled that no games ever copied or built upon the Splinter Cell mechanic where the scroll wheel was used as a movement control button. You would scroll to go from creeping slowly to sprinting (I think) and it worked like an analog stick on controller. Damn shame, I thought that was so awesome.

Talking about CDPR and their games. Here's an example of how you can do analogue keyboard and mouse controls from the modders:
https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/6377
(r457 promises a Next Gen release soon)

And here's another one for Star Wars Jedi Survivor:
https://www.nexusmods.com/starwarsjedisurvivor/mods/55

And for Dragon's Dogma 2:
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2/mods/144

It was also done by games like Star Citizen. It's not hard to do. It's just laziness by the devs.

[Highlancer]

Publicado originalmente por tarmo888:

Publicado originalmente por Rivem Bleidd:

I agree with you on this, it seems like such a small thing to implement. How hard can it actually be to make a Walk toggle since you're doing keyboard controls anyway. But I think they just don't care.

Because there is no point for walking slower than default walking speed. Only point for moving slower is stealth, which is done when crouching. Aiming a weapon/camera or holding a light up high also lowers the speed.

Who the flark are you to tell ME how I should LIKE and PLAY my games?!



The 'default' speed atm is a JOG / RUNNING speed, which it's unnatural for a human being and it serves only little kids that like to run everywhere (in real life).

'WALKING' speed (that is MISSING in this game with M/Kb) is the DEFAULT, natural, 'emulating', moving speed of a human being. Ever played one of the best games ever made on this planet, called RDR2?!

I doubt it. It must be too slow for you.

[Lance_Lionroar]

Publicado originalmente por tarmo888:

Publicado originalmente por Rivem Bleidd:

I agree with you on this, it seems like such a small thing to implement. How hard can it actually be to make a Walk toggle since you're doing keyboard controls anyway. But I think they just don't care.

Because there is no point for walking slower than default walking speed. Only point for moving slower is stealth, which is done when crouching. Aiming a weapon/camera or holding a light up high also lowers the speed.

The point is immersion. To walk around other people who are also walking, take in the sights, instead of running everywhere and around everyone like a buffoon. I guess most people in this thread are too gamerbrained for that thought though. Why move slower through a cool scene when I can run everywhere.

(Even though developers adding the OPTION to walk toggle would never hurt anyone and would be a net positive for PC players on keyboard)

[tarmo888]

Publicado originalmente por Lance_Lionroar:

Publicado originalmente por tarmo888:

Because there is no point for walking slower than default walking speed. Only point for moving slower is stealth, which is done when crouching. Aiming a weapon/camera or holding a light up high also lowers the speed.

The point is immersion. To walk around other people who are also walking, take in the sights, instead of running everywhere and around everyone like a buffoon. I guess most people in this thread are too gamerbrained for that thought though. Why move slower through a cool scene when I can run everywhere.

(Even though developers adding the OPTION to walk toggle would never hurt anyone and would be a net positive for PC players on keyboard)

There are options to walk slower:
a) just walk while crouching
b) pick lighter and hold aim (great for immersion because you'll need it a lot anyways)
c) pick gun and hold aim

[The Basement People]

Publicado originalmente por +Tooterfish:

Publicado originalmente por Highlancer:

So another "PC game" without proper mouse and keyboard support, eh? Good to know!

So flarking TIRED of these AAA developers not including the most basic feature in a FPS game... a damn toggle walk key.

I don't even... Do they even test this game with mouse + keyboard?!

Dude the controls on M+KB are solid. When have you ever missed analog movement speed? It doesn't even matter. I started out on my Xbox elite controller, and switched back to M+KB and like it better. You're good bro, it's fine.

I like to walk for immersion man, come on

[Mav99]

Mouse and Keyboard. Always. Every game.

I don't own a controller and I don't want a controller.

The last "controller" that I enjoyed playing some games with was an Advanced Gravis Analog Pro Joystick... ;)

[Highlancer]

Publicado originalmente por tarmo888:

Publicado originalmente por Lance_Lionroar:

The point is immersion. To walk around other people who are also walking, take in the sights, instead of running everywhere and around everyone like a buffoon. I guess most people in this thread are too gamerbrained for that thought though. Why move slower through a cool scene when I can run everywhere.

(Even though developers adding the OPTION to walk toggle would never hurt anyone and would be a net positive for PC players on keyboard)

There are options to walk slower:
a) just walk while crouching
b) pick lighter and hold aim (great for immersion because you'll need it a lot anyways)
c) pick gun and hold aim

Are you flarking serious?!

Do this again and you'll get your backside reported for trolling.

[Chris]

Funny you should ask as I went to play the game using an Xbox elite V2 controller yesterday connected via Bluetooth (since MS appears to have discontinued sale of the dongle) and the game is literally unplayable due to the stutter every 10-20 seconds caused by using the controller.

This is with the Xbox Gamepass version and the best version of the Xbox controller available.
All drivers and windows updates are done and controller firmware is the latest available. It's not the first time I've seen complaints of this, dating back couple years.
Wtf is going on MS!

[SeRoM]

if you want to bind a Walk key while waiting for a more elegant solution from the developers :

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2677660/discussions/0/604141771964814188/?ctp=2#c604141990686355642

[Cath]

Publicado originalmente por tarmo888:

Publicado originalmente por Highlancer:

So another "PC game" without proper mouse and keyboard support, eh? Good to know!

So flarking TIRED of these AAA developers not including the most basic feature in a FPS game... a damn toggle walk key.

I don't even... Do they even test this game with mouse + keyboard?!

Most games with keyboard+mouse controls have only 2 speeds: walk + run. Sometimes, slower speed for crouching.
Some games with gamepad control have analog walk speed control, so you can walk at any speed + button for running.

This game has quite standard keyboard+mouse controls, gamepad just has little extra, which many developers don't bother to do.

So consumers should just accept getting lesser products cause devs can't bother to add a walk toggle for people who like to immerse themselves in games and don't own and potentially can't afford peripherals?