Digital Foundry defending need for RTX cards

[TheFibrewire]

RTGI enabling using RTX cards on PC is the worst decision and this DF channel is supporting it. The Reason: devs doesn't need to waste time making 2 lighting system. This is the most absurd argument. As a consumer, don't care if dev needs to work more or not, consumers also work in some other office just like the dev.

Edit:
RTGI is good, and that will be the future, but doesn't need to defend it and support the production pipeline of studio. Even official MS didn't do this type of supporting and here you have an out of touch tuber channel supporting poor practices.

This is the most dumb argument ever made.

[Dagtag]

Origineel geplaatst door tarmo888:

Origineel geplaatst door qsdww:

Not completely disagree with you but I think wasteland_ghost got some points there, it's true both AMD and Intel are following Nvidia lead but I feel when Nvidia release the 2000 series they've already at the top so I think they just do whatever they want and force other manufacture follow...
I love Nvidia for what they did by keep pushing the boundary of graphics but thinking back it's seem like they just want to sell graphic cards.

Isn't AMD worse, they just drag their feet after Nvidia and expect people to buy their GPUs? Late with the raytracing, late with AI upscaling, late with frame generation, late with whatever Nvidia does next. Basically, they can't afford to do proper R&D, so they wait until Nvidia releases something and then just start brainstorming how they could deliver something similar, but never quite the same.

The biggest difference between amd and nvidia is that nvidia is opting for hardware solutions over software solutions

[Dagtag]

Origineel geplaatst door Rastlaff:

Origineel geplaatst door tarmo888:

Isn't AMD worse, they just drag their feet after Nvidia and expect people to buy their GPUs? Late with the raytracing, late with AI upscaling, late with frame generation, late with whatever Nvidia does next. Basically, they can't afford to do proper R&D, so they wait until Nvidia releases something and then just start brainstorming how they could deliver something similar, but never quite the same.

so "Isn't AMD worse" ? seriously & honestly, no. Compare Vram provided, compare the perfs/prices : Nvidia is worse. RTX4080 16Vram is 2 times the price of a 7900XT 20Vram. Is it 2 times or even 1.5 times faster and mostly providing superior visuals ? absolutely not,

basically AMD can't afford to do proper advertisement like the one you are obviously doing for Nvidia.

But here, it's the most important part :

Origineel geplaatst door wasteland_ghost:

Edit: remember at CP77 release everyone was grabbing 4070 models with 8Gb VRAM. While AMD was already 16Gb VRAM. And all the NVidia owners on forums were laughing saying what you need those 16Gb for? To install windows into your GPU? But just a bit later those same people were crying when RT games started to crash with out of VRAM error. And NVidia ended up upgrading their new models to 12Gb.

Its apples and oranges, nvidia gpu’s have wayyyy more to them compared to amd.

They have hardware solutions dedicated to upscaling, frame generation, ray tracing.

This is why you pay more, because you do in fact get more…

[kiteless 凧無し]

Yes and it’s stupid high requirements which has contributed to this game flopping

DF is an extremely out of touch outlet that thinks everyone is running around with a 4090 nasa rig and cares about pixel fidelity to the point like it’s some source of masturbatory material to them

Most gamers just want to play a good game and aren’t scrutinising every pixel under a microscope every time they play. You force RTX cards onto everyone, you get what you rightfully deserve, a commercial flop

[Dagtag]

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Yes and it’s stupid high requirements which has contributed to this game flopping

DF is an extremely out of touch outlet that thinks everyone is running around with a 4090 nasa rig and cares about pixel fidelity to the point like it’s some source of masturbatory material to them

Most gamers just want to play a good game and aren’t scrutinising every pixel under a microscope every time they play. You force RTX cards onto everyone, you get what you rightfully deserve, a commercial flop

These cards are quite old at this point… you also don’t need an rtx card, an amd card will also do.

Its not exactly a hot take that to play modern games you need a semi modern rig

[tarmo888]

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Yes and it’s stupid high requirements which has contributed to this game flopping

DF is an extremely out of touch outlet that thinks everyone is running around with a 4090 nasa rig and cares about pixel fidelity to the point like it’s some source of masturbatory material to them

Most gamers just want to play a good game and aren’t scrutinising every pixel under a microscope every time they play. You force RTX cards onto everyone, you get what you rightfully deserve, a commercial flop

Why do you need 4090? If you think you need 4090, aren't you the same as DF who cares about the pixel fidelity? This game needs a GPU that is made in last 6 years, this isn't much to ask.

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Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Yes and it’s stupid high requirements which has contributed to this game flopping

DF is an extremely out of touch outlet that thinks everyone is running around with a 4090 nasa rig and cares about pixel fidelity to the point like it’s some source of masturbatory material to them

Most gamers just want to play a good game and aren’t scrutinising every pixel under a microscope every time they play. You force RTX cards onto everyone, you get what you rightfully deserve, a commercial flop

These cards are quite old at this point… you also don’t need an rtx card, an amd card will also do.

Its not exactly a hot take that to play modern games you need a semi modern rig

Flexibility is king

Look how many people have a steam deck, you want to shut out all take potential sales to cater to a minority of people with decent gaming rigs? Good luck with that

The switch is still the biggest selling console on the market by far and don’t forget the amount of people who game on smart phones. You don’t see those markets suffering because they don’t have ‘cutting edge visuals’

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Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

These cards are quite old at this point… you also don’t need an rtx card, an amd card will also do.

Its not exactly a hot take that to play modern games you need a semi modern rig

Flexibility is king

Look how many people have a steam deck, you want to shut out all take potential sales to cater to a minority of people with decent gaming rigs? Good luck with that

The switch is still the biggest selling console on the market by far and don’t forget the amount of people who game on smart phones. You don’t see those markets suffering because they don’t have ‘cutting edge visuals’

From the looks of it its not a minority anymore tho…

Most people seem to have gpu’s capable of running this game.

Again, these gpus are not new anymore, i have had my 3070 for the past 4 years…

If you want to play modern games, you need a semi modern rig.

You on the other hand want to negatively affect people with good rigs by holding visuals and progression back…

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Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Flexibility is king

Look how many people have a steam deck, you want to shut out all take potential sales to cater to a minority of people with decent gaming rigs? Good luck with that

The switch is still the biggest selling console on the market by far and don’t forget the amount of people who game on smart phones. You don’t see those markets suffering because they don’t have ‘cutting edge visuals’

From the looks of it its not a minority anymore tho…

Most people seem to have gpu’s capable of running this game.

Again, these gpus are not new anymore, i have had my 3070 for the past 4 years…

This games crap sales say otherwise

And you might want to look at some steam hardware surveys to get a reality check on the type of hardware the typical steam user has

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Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

From the looks of it its not a minority anymore tho…

Most people seem to have gpu’s capable of running this game.

Again, these gpus are not new anymore, i have had my 3070 for the past 4 years…

This games crap sales say otherwise

And you might want to look at some steam hardware surveys to get a reality check on the type of hardware the typical steam user has

Where do you think i got my information from???

Go and take a look at the steam hardware survey yourself…

Stop holding games hostage because you refuse to keep your rig up to date

[tarmo888]

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

These cards are quite old at this point… you also don’t need an rtx card, an amd card will also do.

Its not exactly a hot take that to play modern games you need a semi modern rig

Flexibility is king

Look how many people have a steam deck, you want to shut out all take potential sales to cater to a minority of people with decent gaming rigs? Good luck with that

The switch is still the biggest selling console on the market by far and don’t forget the amount of people who game on smart phones. You don’t see those markets suffering because they don’t have ‘cutting edge visuals’

It runs on Steam Deck (around 30fps) because even that has raytracing. Proably will get more fixes in upcoming months.

Switch is garbage and this game will probably run on Switch 2, which comes out next year.

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Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

This games crap sales say otherwise

And you might want to look at some steam hardware surveys to get a reality check on the type of hardware the typical steam user has

Where do you think i got my information from???

Go and take a look at the steam hardware survey yourself…

The same survey that shows the average steam user still games at 1080p and has a rig weaker than a PS5

[Dagtag]

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

Where do you think i got my information from???

Go and take a look at the steam hardware survey yourself…

The same survey that shows the average steam user still games at 1080p and has a rig weaker than a PS5

I too play games at 1080p…and i can run the game

Whats your point?

Seriously, go and actually LOOK at the average gpu instead of making stuff up

[max]

Origineel geplaatst door qsdww:

I love Nvidia for what they did by keep pushing the boundary of graphics but thinking back it's seem like they just want to sell graphic cards.

OMG, you discovered their secret!

Also, welcome to capitalism! It's a wonderful system in which pushing the boundaries of technology and selling it for profit is not mutually exclusive.

Thank you for attending my TED talk.

[MancSoulja]

Origineel geplaatst door kiteless 凧無し:

Origineel geplaatst door Dagtag:

Where do you think i got my information from???

Go and take a look at the steam hardware survey yourself…

The same survey that shows the average steam user still games at 1080p and has a rig weaker than a PS5

I have 6 devices and Steam Surveys them all.

2 are gaming PCs.

2 are handheld devices

3 are tablets or laptops with integrated graphics.

So according the the survey, I use 5 devices that use integrated graphics, but I don't play games on them, nor do the other 10 million people in my situation.

Now, can see see how the survey is useless for gauging what devices people are using for Windows and the ones they're actually playing game on.

[Columbus]

Origineel geplaatst door MancSoulja:

Origineel geplaatst door Columbus:

He means for the game, smart one. It would have been a sale for me if I didn't need RTX to play the game that runs on the same engine as Doom Eternal on my 1660 maxed out at 144fps. And the fact they never once said it was RTX only until 2 days before launch, is a slap in the face.

1. It doesn't run on the same engine as doom, it uses a propitiatory engine based on ID Tech.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Engine:Motor

2. They have communicated the system requirements since the game was announced.

That's wrong. It's on IDtech 7 just like Doom Eternal. And no, they NEVER ONCE said it requires RTX until two days before the launch. Find me something from months ago where they said it does. I've followed this game very closely, and they never said that before.