Creative Director thinks Indiana doesn`t use guns

[John]

I read an article that said: Creative Director says game makes sure to "not encourage gunplay" because "it wouldn`t be true to the character"...why the hell is every single game or movie or series nowadays produced by a complete incompetent person that either hates the original or has never even watched it?

Guns not being true to the character huh? Then what is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=854Zlz5-vXQ

or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs

Indiana being upset he doesn`t have his gun here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L28mNl-wg54

And many many more scenes where he uses guns...

Sorry but if I hear such dumb nonsense from the Creative Director already, this game is a no buy. Make stuff you are actually aware of the character. Are guns the new enemy after they successfully removed gender? Now we fight guns?

[Shadsea]

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Publicado originalmente por John:

I read an article that said: Creative Director says game makes sure to "not encourage gunplay" because "it wouldn`t be true to the character"...why the hell is every single game or movie or series nowadays produced by a complete incompetent person that either hates the original or has never even watched it?

Guns not being true to the character huh? Then what is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=854Zlz5-vXQ

or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs

Indiana being upset he doesn`t have his gun here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L28mNl-wg54

And many many more scenes where he uses guns...

Sorry but if I hear such dumb nonsense from the Creative Director already, this game is a no buy. Make stuff you are actually aware of the character. Are guns the new enemy after they successfully removed gender? Now we fight guns?

They randomly decided to make a Indy game in a FPS

they obviously dont know much about the character

Its because, if you looked at the bits of gameplay they gave, they are gonna make it like Dark Messiah. It's not about run and gun. It's about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the environment and being creative with your attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzorIZNhTNY

[KillingArts]

What the guy said is that they tried to not make it a Wolfenstein where all you do is fire automatic guns. And that's exactly the right approach is you ask me. You're misrepresenting what was said, to be honest.

[_Roidrage]

Sure Indiana Jones uses guns here and there in the movies... but he's not a soldier, he's a professor, a "nerd", but a heroic nerd who's a daredevil and not afraid to fight.

This isn't a balls-out First Person shooter, it's a First Person adventure game.

[HeideKnight]

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (LucasArts, 1989): Indy never uses a gun, only fists to knock out some soldiers in Castle Brunwald.

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (LucasArts, 1992): no guns, and to the best of my knowledge in this game Indy never used any weapon against an enemy.

Both games are among my most favourite adventure games of all time, btw. I recommend to check them out before The Great Circle comes out.

[Rugster]

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (LucasArts, 1989): Indy never uses a gun, only fists to knock out some soldiers in Castle Brunwald.

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (LucasArts, 1992): no guns, and to the best of my knowledge in this game Indy never used any weapon against an enemy.

Both games are among my most favourite adventure games of all time, btw. I recommend to check them out before The Great Circle comes out.

those are point and click games geared towards wide audiences. I dont even know how they would implement gunfights in those. the last two 3d games (3 if you include the staff of kings) was filled with gunfighting. I actually agree that a mix of fist fighting/ using the environment along with guns is the right move, but to say NO guns at all simply isnt accurate to the character.. or would be any fun to be honest Edit: for a NON point and click game. fate of atlantis was an excellent video game

[slider86]

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (LucasArts, 1989): Indy never uses a gun, only fists to knock out some soldiers in Castle Brunwald.

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (LucasArts, 1992): no guns, and to the best of my knowledge in this game Indy never used any weapon against an enemy.

I mean...I would hope you DON'T use guns in those games since they're point and click adventures. Since you brought it up as well LucasArts were also reluctant to include point and click adventures with guns after that as well since these use a mouse for control.

[HeideKnight]

Publicado originalmente por slider86:

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (LucasArts, 1989): Indy never uses a gun, only fists to knock out some soldiers in Castle Brunwald.

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (LucasArts, 1992): no guns, and to the best of my knowledge in this game Indy never used any weapon against an enemy.

I mean...I would hope you DON'T use guns in those games since they're point and click adventures. :steamlaughcry:Since you brought it up as well LucasArts were also reluctant to include point and click adventures with guns after that as well since these use a mouse for control.

You are all right of course, in a point-and-click adventure game it is much more difficult to include action gameplay (like they did in The Last Crusade, as mentioned) while here, in The Great Circle, the game is an action adventure and there will definitely be more action integrated in the gameplay.

What I wanted to point out with the examples is that Indiana Jones is not the stereotypical action hero who likes to get involved in fights but that he more often than not uses his wits to fool his enemies. I mean, he definitely uses a gun or his whip or any other weapon when he is forced to, but if he would have the choice between, say, stealth or fighting I believe he would choose the former over the latter.

If I am not mistaken (I did not play the game for many years now) in The Last Crusade the player had two different options to progress in the castle. One was to knock out the guards and the other was to use stealth (where one quickly had to enter a room or a wardrobe or something like this to not get detected by a guard patroling the corridor. It would be nice if in the Great Circle one also has different choices in certain situations.

[slider86]

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

If I am not mistaken (I did not play the game for many years now) in The Last Crusade the player had two different options to progress in the castle. One was to knock out the guards and the other was to use stealth (where one quickly had to enter a room or a wardrobe or something like this to not get detected by a guard patroling the corridor. It would be nice if in the Great Circle one also has different choices in certain situations.

I haven't played them yet but did he use guns in Infernal Machine, Emperor's Tomb or Staff of Kings?

[HeideKnight]

Publicado originalmente por slider86:

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

If I am not mistaken (I did not play the game for many years now) in The Last Crusade the player had two different options to progress in the castle. One was to knock out the guards and the other was to use stealth (where one quickly had to enter a room or a wardrobe or something like this to not get detected by a guard patroling the corridor. It would be nice if in the Great Circle one also has different choices in certain situations.

I haven't played them yet but did he use guns in Infernal Machine, Emperor's Tomb or Staff of Kings?

I haven't played either of them, I only know the tutorial part of Emperor's Tomb game, where he uses something like a big knife. And he has a health bar as well, so I could imagine that there are situations where he can also use a gun in this game.

[slider86]

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

I haven't played either of them, I only know the tutorial part of Emperor's Tomb game, where he uses something like a big knife. And he has a health bar as well, so I could imagine that there are situations where he can also use a gun in this game.

I'm just trying to see how the 3D games have managed him being up against guns.

[HeideKnight]

Publicado originalmente por slider86:

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

I haven't played either of them, I only know the tutorial part of Emperor's Tomb game, where he uses something like a big knife. And he has a health bar as well, so I could imagine that there are situations where he can also use a gun in this game.

I'm just trying to see how the 3D games have managed him being up against guns.

Well, I just see that he used several guns in the Emperor's Tomb. You can see this when you browse the screenshots for this game on the corresponding Steam page. I think I am going to try it out sometime before the new game comes out.

[slider86]

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

Well, I just see that he used several guns in the Emperor's Tomb.

Oh that's good to know.

[Barmherziger Schamhaarritter]

I think you don't see the point. What they mean is that it's normally his last option. It's basically jsut not his weapon of choice. In the first Raiders scene you linked he got involved in a gunfight while he was hopelessly outnumbered so obviously he would be dumb to use his whip or fists for example. Basically it's just self-defense. The same goes for Temple of Doom. In the swordfight scene he is in a hurry finding Marion while a bunch of guys are trying to kill (first ones definitely tried to stab her) or kidnap her and therefore he will not engage in a fair fight or try to disarm the swordsman. So pretty much every time he uses his gun or tries to, it's because he really hast to, for example to protect his allies or loved ones.

[Barmherziger Schamhaarritter]

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

Publicado originalmente por slider86:

I'm just trying to see how the 3D games have managed him being up against guns.

Well, I just see that he used several guns in the Emperor's Tomb. You can see this when you browse the screenshots for this game on the corresponding Steam page. I think I am going to try it out sometime before the new game comes out.

Do it! It's a great game and still holds up in my opinion. But yeah in that game he tends to use guns all the time, so not that lore-friendly about his character. Still great though :)

[HeideKnight]

Publicado originalmente por Barmherziger Schamhaarritter:

Publicado originalmente por HeideKnight:

Well, I just see that he used several guns in the Emperor's Tomb. You can see this when you browse the screenshots for this game on the corresponding Steam page. I think I am going to try it out sometime before the new game comes out.

Do it! It's a great game and still holds up in my opinion. But yeah in that game he tends to use guns all the time, so not that lore-friendly about his character. Still great though :)

Thank you, the game is already on my hard drive and I am going to play it before The Great Circle comes out. If the gameplay is good I have no objections against him using weapons very often. But my favourite type of Indiana Jones is definitely the one who more uses his brain than his physical strength. That is, I think, what clearly separates him from other action heroes.