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Happens all the time actually. Just about the entire media apparatus is left wing, but you want to argue that media outlets are conservative and rife with the anti-woke?
Sure thing buddy! Unfortunately, reality doesn't agree with you.
Wokeness is many things. It's identity politics, intersectional victimology, social Marxism and social governance through the vessels of DEI & ESG, critical race theory, left wing gender theory and this is the sum totality of what the American people have rejected in 2024.
He wasn't that big and unfortunately the woke can't really give us strong characters like Marion anymore.
They would rather focus on the feminist wet dream of ridiculously overpowered strong and independent women who don't need no man unstoppable girl bosses that are just insufferable stereotypes.
Straw man argument for something that isn't happening.
You all act as if the recent election wasn't a total repudiation of the woke left wing orthodoxy. Keep on living in your little bubbles I guess.
As you all float through space in your carefully curated echo chambers let me know if you all plan on making your way back to the Milky Way. Hit me up for directions.
BTW you need to start drifting this way 👆 before you can course correct this way 👉.
They did their own studies on the exact same topic to boost revenue.
I guess I am obsessed truth, thanks for noticing my guy 👍. Since you are obsessed with chasing after your own tail let's tackle it from another angle.
Remove all doctors, LPNs, RNs and anyone with prescription power out of the equation. Still with me? Who is now denying black people their pain and equal medical treatment and where is the problem now occurring?
No matter how you try to spin it the entire premise of your silly little bigoted narrative is built upon the foundation of racist people, either consciously or subconsciously, committing racist actions otherwise there isn't a problem.
I'm thoroughly enjoying the mental gymnastics on this one so please don't stop now. I'm feeling like McDonald's right now - I'm lovin' it!
Nope. It's not, at least not for the majority still living in a shared objective reality.
A culture war that the majority is winning and you're now starting to sound bitter about it.
So let me get this straight - I just want to understand on which section of the ouroboros I'm standing on currently.
Only diverse medical professionals are capable of believing in their black patients pain, because now skin color is apparently a qualification for taking their black patients complaints seriously, but, somehow, it's not about racism of any kind?
Makes perfect sense when you put it that way! I'm so glad you cleared it up.
I don't think you understand.
Society has been trusting the left wing orthodoxy and look at where it has gotten us.
Single sentence denials don't prove anything.
No you're assuming they don't have merit because if businesses keep highlighting identity markers and are specifically looking for candidates of a different race then it's not about the meritocracy anymore.
Oh boy, can't wait!
Now you're just being ridiculous operating under the assumption that the people doing the hiring will predominantly be white and somehow having black hiring managers who hire people that look like them is somehow going to fix the problem because of reasons.
So, if I have a gunshot wound and I go to the hospital how is any one diverse doctor's perspective going to offer better quality treatment than any other background?
So the other diverse groups of doctors I didn't choose don't understand what it means to be shot or how to treat the wound? You see where this is going, right?
On the one hand if I specifically seek out diverse backgrounds and perspectives then I'm pitting all of the different groups against each other by invalidating the perspectives of the doctors I don't agree with and who don't look like me.
On the other hand if I do go with the doctor who looks like me because I feel a stronger connection to them now I'm discriminating against all the other perspectives and backgrounds in your melting pot.
No matter which way you end up right back at the starting point - racism.
Now you're just being an extremist when I never said or implied any such thing.
Guess what champ - I'm not white! I still reject your left wing orthodoxy!
https://youtu.be/k7und5t8GSk?si=_IrHjrnFqMDKl9CU
Diversity - disingenuous discrimination placing too much ethical value on an immutable characteristic such as one's race or other identity markers.
Equity - social equity, a part of social justice and social governance, is the equality of outcomes. In other words communism.
Inclusion - The elevation of one group at the expense of suppressing another. It is the exclusion of certain groups by discriminating against people for their identity markers.
Okay, it's implied then.
Yep, there it is. You want a cookie for noticing it?
You're assuming the meritocracy was a status quo and your own discrimination is showing.
Oh, I had plenty of complaints and it was up to me to change.
So, I'll give you a choice: either we have been operating under a coloblind meritocracy where the diversity hires are the most qualified candidate or an oppressive systemically racist structure where the diversity hires are not the most qualified because of more focus on identity markers over qualifications.
So which is it?
They can, but they'll get crucified for doing so as it will be perceived as "forced" and "ham-fisted" and "shoving their ideology down our throats".
... Says the guy dismissing inconvenient information out of hand while I actually address the points you're making.
So they had no connection to the studies I linked, then? Nor does any corporate interest?
That's a strange way to refer to objective facts about a problem we actually know how to solve.
No, that's a straw man. You still don't understand what diversity is.
It's gotten us every bit of progress humanity has ever had, more or less.
You're still assuming that if someone is hired for diversity it means they're not qualified. This is the primary flaw with your stance on DEI.
But that's an objective fact.
Straw man. You still don't understand what diversity is.
It's not.
Non sequitur. There is no reason why having a diverse team would be pitting anyone against anyone.
You just keep proving that you don't understand what diversity is.
Non sequitur.
Also completely false. Weird how you completely dismissed my explanation for how DEI actually works in favor of just replacing it with straw men and lies.
No, it isn't. You don't understand what diversity is.
No, I'm pointing out that the only problem with DEI initiatives is how they're perceived, a problem which has been greatly exacerbated by false narratives intended to rile people up and generate conflict and hatred.
You're assuming it was ever a "meritocracy".
Did you know there was a big election recently?
It does.
I didn't think you would cherry pick to counter this one. Can't deny the truth I guess.
That's another point for me.
Strawman argument for something that still isn't happening. Nobody was complaining back then and nobody is complaining about similar characters should they arise today.
I know, right? Oh wait... I agree with myself and you can't seem to counter the truth.
No you're not, you're cherry picking and you have never once acknowledged all of my points from a single post so I'm going to make your cherry picking well known.
I'm proving that with this post by highlighting everything you ignore and gloss right over.
The point was corporate interest is very much invested in the "equitable" pain relief narrative and I'm sure if I dug deep enough I would find corporate interest in your studies.
However, you're not interested in having an honest conversation so what's the point.
Your opinions are not objective facts, but that's typical narcissism of the elitist left wing orthodoxy.
So the left wing orthodoxy solution is to have diverse medical professionals prescribe even more narcotic medications thus upping the sales for the pharmaceutical companies and the medical personnel getting more kickbacks from big pharma for distributing more medications.
There's your corporate interest for your "equitable" pain relief that you can't seem to pick up on for whatever reason.
You don't say? I'll take that point, thanks.
No answer huh? Not surprising, because you can't reconcile the paradoxical narrative without landing on racism in one fashion or another.
Nope. It's not, at least not for the majority still living in a shared objective reality.
That shared objective reality for a larger majority can be measured by the impact the counterculture movement and the election has had which only confirms what the silent majority knows to be true.
I just love proving myself right... with my own statements! This is fun.
✅ +1 point Redacted (+6 additional points for glossed over statements)
I even defined it for you in a different post, but it's becoming obvious you can't reconcile the discrimination in the woke ideology.
So now you want to take credit for predominantly conservative societal progress. Tisk Tisk!
What has left wing orthodoxy really gotten us, particularly in recent history?
That's easy:
And finally....
Basically, ever reason why the left wing orthodoxy got absolutely wrecked in the election.
But they can't be the most qualified candidates for the positions if we're operating within a "systemically" racist framework of a "status quo" with predominantly white hiring managers and discriminatory hiring practices, now can they?
Furthermore, if companies are virtue signaling that they are specifically looking for candidates of different races than it illustrates they're prioritizing ethical value of identity markers over merit.
However, when you reject "systemic" racism and have companies stop virtue signaling and go back to a meritocracy then when a diversity hire happens it will be organic.
No, it's not and I have the firsthand lived experience to see right through that virtue signal.
You may have had it easy, but some of us did struggle and I have been turned down for jobs by hiring managers of all kind of backgrounds.
I know you don't understand the woke ideology, but don't blame me for following the circular logic of the left wing orthodoxy not knowing where we started or where we're going.
It has been hell of a ride though. Which section of the ouroboros are we on now.
Then what is all the virtue signaling for having diverse backgrounds and perspectives about if the identity markers you all place so much value on don't really matter?
I'm just trying to navigate the left wing orthodoxy ouroboros. You sir, are a terrible guide!
Not my fault you can't follow the logical train of thought laid right before you particularly the latter part of the statement.
Of course, since you can't counter what I was actually saying you have to straw man, gaslight and then commit Non sequitur yourself with an irrelevant deflection which doesn't even address what I was actually saying.
That's another +1 for me with a total of +8 free points from cherry picking, something you supposingly don't do.
The conclusion of the preceding two statements which ties them together.
+9 free points.
+11 free points.
Nice little snide jab trying to insinuate I'm an offended white racist who only opposes the woke DEI because of discrimination against other white people.
Truth be told, my father was Basque Spanish and I oppose all forms of racism even against white people.
What is so entertaining about all of this is white liberals devising such hateful and divisive rhetoric against other white people who aren't democrats.
And you wonder why you lost... it's not because of disagreeing, it's because of the hate.
Well then, tell the woke to stop misusing it.
Weak deflection. Makes sense if you can't defend the woke's use of social equity.
If the woke hadn't misused these principles when they infiltrated the culture and got companies to bend the knee to their disingenuous discriminatory practices there wouldn't be a backlash.
I know you don't understand the woke ideology that you so ardently defend, you don't have to keep reminding me.
No, I'm pointing out that the only problem with DEI initiatives is how they're perceived, a problem which has been greatly exacerbated by false narratives intended to rile people up and generate conflict and hatred.[/quote]
So what do these hateful bigots gain by pushing narratives and generating conflict? How is this beneficial to them?
You know what I see in that statement? You dealing the woke intersectional victimology cards in spades. 👏
You're proving the point woke ideology is racist.
I know it is a meritocracy because I was the most qualified candidate for my job role and my hiring manager, a black woman, didn't even know my ethnicity when extending a job offer.
I mean she had a pretty good idea because of my very Spanish name which everyone butchers all the time lol 😆.
Because back then, they weren't only able to look at the world through the lens of a culture war.
No, the point is the studies I linked have no connection to corporate interests, and you're just making up excuses to dismiss them rather than address any of their very valid findings.
I agree. I'm not talking about my opinions. I'm talking about the facts presented in the studies I linked.
Straw man.
And yet you keep making straw man arguments that demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of diversity.
Why not? There's no reason why they couldn't be.
No, it doesn't. That's a misconception on your part.
What it actually illustrates is that they see the value of diverse workplaces.
You don't think the majority of high-ranking positions in corporations are held by white males?
Because a variety of backgrounds and perspectives adds value to a workplace. It aids in problem-solving, innovation, retention, productivity, and more. That's not due to any particular characteristics of any individual minority. That's simply the benefit of having people with different ways of thinking working together.
It's not the liberals spreading hateful and divisive rhetoric. I'm sure you've heard the "enemy within" comments.
On this we agree.
They're not the ones misusing it.
Made-up narrative.
Won them an election, didn't it?
If you keep on ignoring certain statements then I'm going to continue highlighting what you're glossing over and collecting those free points.
Still have nothing, eh?
+1 Redacted
Sure, sure, those silly bigots can't handle strong women.
I'm bringing it all back to claim +4 free points with the inclusion of the Fable 4 character.
Another +1 for me for the second time on this same point.
You must have thought I was kidding.
+1
You keep saying "lens of a culture war" yet you keep bringing it up, probably because you don't have another deflection in your arsenal at this point.
You also continue to deny your own participation in it.
It is an ideological war and I'm still winning.
"Excuses" which prove to be true.
You just can't accept the people who benefit the most from this silly "equitable" pain relief narrative are the hospitals (private companies), the doctors and Big Pharma.
Oh well. Reality keeps on chugging along even without you.
Fixed it for you.
I know you like to deceptively edit so let's look at the full context of what you can't refute:
Makes more sense than your dodging and deflections.
+2 with an added point for your dishonest editing.
Still dodging and you know you can't answer without landing in racism.
+1 yet again.
And you keep denying the woke's use of fake diversity and as long as you continue to pretend it's not being misused by the woke you're going to continue to lose.
This is one section you really didn't want to gloss over even if you can't refute it.
+12 for all of those beautiful checkmarks.
Because discrimination and an oppressive status quo operating in a "systemically" racist structure would suppress any qualified diversity hire from fulfilling those job roles.
The diversity hire can only be the most qualified candidate if you eliminate all false narratives of systemic racism in a meritocracy which doesn't use discriminatory hiring practices.
Somebody pretty observant must have pointed that out...
+1
If the diversity hire is organic the companies don't need to keep highlighting race and specifically seek out candidates of a different race because those qualified candidates will go to them.
That's right because all of the majority corporations are still dominated by sexist, racist, and homophobic white patriarchs, Anita Sarkeesian.
BTW when did you get more attractive? And how is it being married to yourself?
+1
Or where we're going to end up.
+1
You don't need to force a group to be compromised of diverse backgrounds in order to achieve diverse perspectives.
The major fallacy of the woke mind virus is people of a similar background will think alike and can't innovate from different perspectives.
It very much is coming from the left, I've had liberals denigrate me in all kinds of ways because I don't agree with the collectivism within the hivemind woke ideology, I don't share the same values or the woke's misuse of them, I'm adamantly opposed to social governance, and I'm tired of emotionally manipulative identity politics games.
Hate predominantly coming from the left.
If they weren't then there wouldn't be a backlash. You're conflating genuine diversity with the woke's fake diversity.
Whatever you say champ, continue on losing that war. You don't have to believe in it to be manipulated by it.
Because people finally recognized the hate and destructiveness of the left wing orthodoxy to the point of wholly rejecting it was coming from the right! That's the spirit!
Major opium! 🫢
Very well said.
Excellent examples, all left neglected or uncorrected by the industry as well as Tan.
Funny how that is always the case. Always blaming others for engaging in the thing they started. We know that they did so, because we come from the original position they are attempting to deviate us from. But they pretend this is not obvious to anyone with eyes to see.
We are closer to all of Western history in our views, we are straightforward, more traditional, more normal. They are the aberration, but constantly trying to normalize their views and pretend to be normal. But it has all broken down, they tried to rush it, and it has all fallen apart. History will not be abolished and re-written.
What a very good point. I would like to know the answer to this as well!
Big, big Oof. Yeah, this list cannot be ignored in good faith. Every point requires refutation.
Very true, even double minority folks. It turns out that if you do not conform to the 'correct worldview', your skin color or sex parts no longer protect you from their ire.
Interesting how all of that matters right up until you dare to disagree, and then you are just a traitor, and they cease to care about your minority status any longer.
This. They see other groups as monoliths that all act as a hive mind. Whenever you point this out, you are then excluded from the protected group, even if your genetics or other immutable characteristics should 'qualify' you.
Honestly, it drove so many people away who were previously onboard with them, it is amazing. I have many left-wing friends who ran away from woke in the last few years. They just could not condone or ignore it any longer. I have never seen anything like it in its ability to repel even ideological fellow travelers.
They helped us immensely, and the best thing? They learned nothing, and are not adjusting at all, so far. In a funny way, we owe them a debt in how much they help the rest of us, just by exercising their Freedom of Speech.
The fact that he can't address this earnestly is quite telling of the moral bankruptcy of academia (not to be confused with the broader left). For Comrade Tan to address any of this, he either has to justify some pretty heinous ♥♥♥♥, or he has to concede that his own isle let him down.
And there's more.....
Comments like this scream volumes of the contempt academia has for the common folk. From here, this implies two things:
*Tanoomba believes the American people are idiots that are easily led astray by bigots to turn against their academic betters.
*Tanoomba believes the American people are bigots themselves.
At this point, Tanoomba's only option is plan B: Get the thread nuked, and as many people banned as he can.
What's your point? Should devs not be able to make the games they want to make? Why does it bother you so much that games exist that don't appeal to you?
It's not a deflection, it's an explanation as to why people were fine with characters back then that they would be furious about today.
But you haven't shown any link between those studies and corporate interests. You just made one up.
No, you didn't. You haven't shown anything I provided to be "unfounded confirmation bias". In fact, you haven't addressed a single data point in any of the studies I linked.
I suppose your straw man arguments would make more sense to you than reality. That doesn't make them not straw man arguments.
You haven't shown this to even be a thing.
Yes. That's what DEI aims to correct.
Was the abolition of slavery "organic"?
Straw man. I'll ask again: Do you not believe that most high-ranking positions in corporations are held by white males?
But you do need to give it a gentle push in the right direction, otherwise status quo is gonna status quo.
I gave you a real-world example of a blind spot of the medical industry leading to unnecessary pain and suffering, a blind spot that is easily addressed and corrected through diversity.
"The enemy within".
Non sequitur.
They didn't "realize" anything. they bought into false narratives designed to rile them up and stoke anger and hatred. This is how all fascist leaders rise to power.
Considering you can't answer honestly, I'm going to go with......
With that in mind, what would you propose to ensure the average person in America or otherwise are not led astray from their academic masters in the future?
EDIT: wait...he got [Redacted] banned now? What the hell is Valve doing???
Seriously, I think the fundamental issue is this: The majority likely believe that inclusion and equality are generally good concepts but most are wary of how the financial, corporate system has implemented them as a top down control mechanism based on debt. I don't know what the answer is but like most movements started with good intentions I believe it has been co-opted and corrupted. Am sorry about that, but religiously arguing on Steam might say more about you than the subject matter and could eventually backfire...
Could??? We're already there.