Why devs why -_-

[SoloQ]

I don't understand why people even make games single player anymore it's 2016 everyone wants multiplayer. Especially games like this with huge amounts of time spent building unique crazy things to show off to no one. It's like what's the point?... Don't get me wrong I love subnautica , just seems counter intuitive. I really hope multiplayer makes it into this game one day.. it would really raise the experience astronomically.

[Ghosticus]

Originally posted by Robin:

Have you read their statement regarding multiplayer? Yes, it's old, but it also says that if they make multiplayer, it will be AFTER 1.0 comes out and possibly like Don't Starve together, it will be a separate game.

Did you read my last paragraph?

The developers have made an amazing game, and their talent is clear. It's not that they don't know how to do multiplayer, or that it's too difficult. They are just clear set on their original stance, to the point where it seems quite stubborn. Yes it will take a long time, but that is time invested in increasing the playability of the game. Whatever their reasons, if a multiplayer build of this game doesn't appear, the popularity of this game will die very quickly after launch, the developers will realize their mistake and will quickly try and put out a "Subnautica: Don't Starve Together" sort of deal , as stated in their blog, and make people buy the game all over again just for something we've been asking for since EA.

[Vince]

Originally posted by Boy Weevil:

Ghosticus... to be fair, Don't Starve Together was free for anybody who already owned the base game. Your prediction that this game will quickly die without multiplayer is also quite a presumptious one.

shipwrecked look nice ; ) got 2k 3k hour into ds regular still waiting for the good day with the right mood to play giant and shipwrecked ; ) both are great ; ) but after 2k 3k you know ; )

ark is a nest for griefer and harraser, sad just sad ... there talent amongst the devs team no doubt but ... now they deal with BE also and $able xDr drama and all tralalalala. ...

it's like a socio thermometer in the ... well seem sick ... "work as intended" ... "don't live in bubble" ... "we had a vision" ... *yawn @ lvl max*

[Ghosticus]

Originally posted by Boy Weevil:

Ghosticus... to be fair, Don't Starve Together was free for anybody who already owned the base game. Your prediction that this game will quickly die without multiplayer is also quite a presumptious one.

Fair enough, but not presumptious at all.

This game is getting HEAVY attention from Streamer and Yubers already. Many of whom played out the game mid 2015, with no intent to revist the game (Jacksepticeye for example). When the game releases, what's going to bring the Tubers and Streamers back? Here's the thing about Early Access game, ESPECIALLY Subnautica. I already played the endgame. I've had a cyclops. I've built my base. Sure I want to see new features, and am excited for them. But at this point, and I feel Tubers would agree, replaying the game would just be for the sake of going through the progession, almost just to humor the game.

[tran_fors]

*laugh* Ghosticus, honestly, the only reason I bothered posting was because he made a new thread using same post he'd made before. I tried to keep my tone teasing and light, but I may have gone overboard into mockery - which wasn't my intent. ;)

FWIW, as a software developer for 25 yrs, I fully recognize that they're potentially writing themselves into a corner that only an excessive amount of time and effort will let them enable MP. That said, drawing from that same wellspring of experience, I recognize when a team has been forced to commit to a certain scope and deadline due to such intangibles as investors and other commitments.

On the other hand, as an avid fan of Markimoo for... maybe a year or so?... I also fully recognize that MP is a Good Thing for a game to have, for replay, for sales in general, etc. I've seen how much fun he has w/ his friends on the games he plays, and I have no doubt that it greatly amplifies the number of people will buy a game, if it has Multiplayer.

So, when I say "Yeah, this is indeed 2016 and MP has become a standard, but that REALLY doesn't matter here", it's not because I hate MP. It's not because I don't see MP as useful to a developer.

They've committed to a deadline, they have people to answer to, and they Must Reach That Deadline before they open up the game's scope further.

For all we know, they may have overcommitted on scope and undercommitted on the time and/or resources they'd need. Does it suck? Sure. But unless someone wins the lotto and hands them several million new dollars to spend, so that they can afford to add MP.... it's not happening until after they release.

[Boy Weevil]

Believe it or not, there are some, like me, who didn't start playing this game because a youtube personality told them to. Many gamers have absolutely no interest in watching youtube gamers like JackSepticEye, PewDiePie, or Markiplier whatsoever. Good advertising? Sure. But not the be all end all. JackSepticEye is not God of the gamers, and as such this game doesn't die with his interest in it.

[Khorps]

this is really getting on my nerves now

[Proteus]

Originally posted by ScarY:

I don't understand why people even make games single player anymore it's 2016 everyone wants multiplayer. ...

No, I definitely don´t want all of my games to be multiplayer ... actually (to give an example) the enforced multiplayer of Sim City 5 was a reason for me to not buy it (until the devcs strengthened its capabilities to be played single player)

I also don´t need Subnautica to be multiplayer (I have other, massive multiplayer, games to fulfill my desires for multiplayer ;) )

[Khorps]

Originally posted by Boy Weevil:

Believe it or not, there are some, like me, who didn't start playing this game because a youtube personality told them to. Many gamers have absolutely no interest in watching youtube gamers like JackSepticEye, PewDiePie, or Markiplier whatsoever. Good advertising? Sure. But not the be all end all. JackSepticEye is not God of the gamers, and as such this game doesn't die with his interest in it.

I really dislike those specific youtubers

and of course Gaben is the god of the gamers, not jackshiteye

[Ghosticus]

Originally posted by Boy Weevil:

Many gamers have absolutely no interest in watching youtube gamers like JackSepticEye, PewDiePie, or Markiplier whatsoever.

No offence, but are you out of toutch with the 'Gamer' lifestyle? I mean sure, this is a game that is ideal for casual player, but to say "Many gamers have absolutely no interest..." You're disregarding MILLIONS of people. In fact, I would argue MOST gamers reach out to YouTube for information on games they are on the fence about.

And I used Jacksepticeye as an example because you can literally go to his series on Subnautica to get a gamer's reaction to the progression of the game. Not because he's "the God of gamers". He brings up valid points, and many share his feelings.

[Ghosticus]

Originally posted by Khorps:

I really dislike those specific youtubers

and of course Gaben is the god of the gamers, not jackshiteye

No one is asking you to like these YouTubers. Nor are you adding to the conversation in any way.

[Ghosticus]

Originally posted by tran_fors:

*laugh* Ghosticus, honestly, the only reason I bothered posting was because he made a new thread using same post he'd made before. I tried to keep my tone teasing and light, but I may have gone overboard into mockery - which wasn't my intent. ;)

FWIW, as a software developer for 25 yrs, I fully recognize that they're potentially writing themselves into a corner that only an excessive amount of time and effort will let them enable MP. That said, drawing from that same wellspring of experience, I recognize when a team has been forced to commit to a certain scope and deadline due to such intangibles as investors and other commitments.

On the other hand, as an avid fan of Markimoo for... maybe a year or so?... I also fully recognize that MP is a Good Thing for a game to have, for replay, for sales in general, etc. I've seen how much fun he has w/ his friends on the games he plays, and I have no doubt that it greatly amplifies the number of people will buy a game, if it has Multiplayer.

So, when I say "Yeah, this is indeed 2016 and MP has become a standard, but that REALLY doesn't matter here", it's not because I hate MP. It's not because I don't see MP as useful to a developer.

They've committed to a deadline, they have people to answer to, and they Must Reach That Deadline before they open up the game's scope further.

For all we know, they may have overcommitted on scope and undercommitted on the time and/or resources they'd need. Does it suck? Sure. But unless someone wins the lotto and hands them several million new dollars to spend, so that they can afford to add MP.... it's not happening until after they release.

This is probably the most reasonable argument I've seen thus far.

[Proteus]

Originally posted by Boy Weevil:

Believe it or not, there are some, like me, who didn't start playing this game because a youtube personality told them to. Many gamers have absolutely no interest in watching youtube gamers like JackSepticEye, PewDiePie, or Markiplier whatsoever. Good advertising? Sure. But not the be all end all. JackSepticEye is not God of the gamers, and as such this game doesn't die with his interest in it.

I agree ...
I for my part also prefer to read old styled reviews of games over watching someone else palying a game over YT

[Ghosticus]

Originally posted by Proteus:

I agree ...
I for my part also prefer to read old styled reviews of games over watching someone else palying a game over YT

Fair enough, but I would go as far to assume your over the age of 25?

Gamers 26+ and gamers below 25 are vastly different groups.

[tran_fors]

Originally posted by Ghosticus:

This is probably the most reasonable argument I've seen thus far.

Thanks :) I've posted variants thereof a few times, but like all else this post too shall vanish into the shifting sands of teh intarwebs. ;)

[Proteus]

Originally posted by Ghosticus:

Originally posted by Proteus:

I agree ...
I for my part also prefer to read old styled reviews of games over watching someone else palying a game over YT

Fair enough, but I would go as far to assume your over the age of 25?

Gamers 26+ and gamers below 25 are vastly different groups.

Yes, I am definitely over 25 (and have to admit that I don´t know anyone personally who is under 25 (maybe some of the people in the MMOs I play, but with those the talks never revolve around their age, so I never know whether someone is 15, 25 or 45+))