dew collector only way to get water?

[meeesj]

aside from looting murky water/regular water i mean. playing coop with 3 other people i feel like all our production bottlenecks goes back to water. need water for pure mineral water, need water for high end food recipes, need water for glue that you use all the time for duct tape its just not enough water to go around for us and we are struggling, it was better last alpha with empty jars

[Danson]

Publicado originalmente por Chungo Beepis:

I think the dew collectors is a well thought out approach to solving water access, coz it scales a lot better than running to nearest lake, coz the problem is logistics for me, ie; water transportation isn't in the game, you have to manually go get it, which means you can never have a self sufficient dynasty on top of a giant mountain top

Actually you can be self sufficient. Fill a bucket with water and you can make a little puddle at your base that provides water.

[Unturned]

Yeah, water is the new A21 early game bottleneck and it will be more difficult if your playing with more people. Early on everyone needs to focus on doing missions or finding enough items to sell to get at least one of those dew collector filters. This will remove the immediate urgency for water but to be comfortable you probably need about 2 dew collectors per person, and 3 to 4 if you want to use that water to start making glue. Also if you use 2 hour game days you will need double those figures because the way the water system works is real time versus the dew collector generates only static 3 per day so on 2 hour game you use about 6 bottles a day of water but still only make 3.

If you absolutely hate the trader , there are a few POI's that have a dew collecter in it, not sure if using a landclaim block will let you remove it intact. You can also find the mod that lets you drink dirty water but that is a big gamble early game to find. The devs really want players to use the trader this alpha and if you hate traders you can still avoid them for the entire rest of the game right after you buy those filters. It sounds like you are mid or possibly approaching end game if you want to eliminate that bottleneck just build 10 to 20 of those dew collectors and your need for water will disappear very quickly.

[Raiku]

water is scarce for the few days, then it becomes very easy to get plenty, dew collector makes your water to get glue and cooking reipes

[[Kartell]Captain Data]

Publicado originalmente por Boxcar Bob:

I don't understand what people are finding so difficult about building dew collectors. I'm just past day 14 and have 4 of them. Scrap Polymers can be a bit of a bottleneck, but if you learn what world items to harvest, it's not that hard.

The dew collector is a massive resource hog especially early on. The water filter is insanely expensive: the real world thing is smaller than a bottle and contains only some coal and stuff to make foul water potable. Here in the game? Costs more than the actual dew collector. That's simply not right.

Sure, collecting water is part of the survival experience and needs to be an achievement in itself. It's simply a bit too expensive in materials, especially compared to the forge.

[shadow3641]

Publicado originalmente por Unturned:

Yeah, water is the new A21 early game bottleneck and it will be more difficult if your playing with more people. Early on everyone needs to focus on doing missions or finding enough items to sell to get at least one of those dew collector filters. This will remove the immediate urgency for water but to be comfortable you probably need about 2 dew collectors per person, and 3 to 4 if you want to use that water to start making glue. Also if you use 2 hour game days you will need double those figures because the way the water system works is real time versus the dew collector generates only static 3 per day so on 2 hour game you use about 6 bottles a day of water but still only make 3.

If you absolutely hate the trader , there are a few POI's that have a dew collecter in it, not sure if using a landclaim block will let you remove it intact. You can also find the mod that lets you drink dirty water but that is a big gamble early game to find. The devs really want players to use the trader this alpha and if you hate traders you can still avoid them for the entire rest of the game right after you buy those filters. It sounds like you are mid or possibly approaching end game if you want to eliminate that bottleneck just build 10 to 20 of those dew collectors and your need for water will disappear very quickly.

Yeah I play with my kids, some are on the younger side and like to just hang out in the game to be included. So on a multiplayer with 4 people and we do the 2 hour game days to try to let the ones that are able to do work have enough time to do things. Water is the biggest challenge since we would need at lest 8 dew collectors just to be stable right off the back.
This has completely changed the focus of the game to just scramble to get water instead of being able to focus on the other aspects of the early game that where fun for us. We tried multiple angles to get it back to where we can focus on the core of the game but for us this update has made it not fun to play anymore. This is very sad since me and the kids use to have a lot of fun playing this game.

[Seftak]

Publicado originalmente por shadow3641:

Publicado originalmente por Unturned:

Yeah, water is the new A21 early game bottleneck and it will be more difficult if your playing with more people. Early on everyone needs to focus on doing missions or finding enough items to sell to get at least one of those dew collector filters. This will remove the immediate urgency for water but to be comfortable you probably need about 2 dew collectors per person, and 3 to 4 if you want to use that water to start making glue. Also if you use 2 hour game days you will need double those figures because the way the water system works is real time versus the dew collector generates only static 3 per day so on 2 hour game you use about 6 bottles a day of water but still only make 3.

If you absolutely hate the trader , there are a few POI's that have a dew collecter in it, not sure if using a landclaim block will let you remove it intact. You can also find the mod that lets you drink dirty water but that is a big gamble early game to find. The devs really want players to use the trader this alpha and if you hate traders you can still avoid them for the entire rest of the game right after you buy those filters. It sounds like you are mid or possibly approaching end game if you want to eliminate that bottleneck just build 10 to 20 of those dew collectors and your need for water will disappear very quickly.

Yeah I play with my kids, some are on the younger side and like to just hang out in the game to be included. So on a multiplayer with 4 people and we do the 2 hour game days to try to let the ones that are able to do work have enough time to do things. Water is the biggest challenge since we would need at lest 8 dew collectors just to be stable right off the back.
This has completely changed the focus of the game to just scramble to get water instead of being able to focus on the other aspects of the early game that where fun for us. We tried multiple angles to get it back to where we can focus on the core of the game but for us this update has made it not fun to play anymore. This is very sad since me and the kids use to have a lot of fun playing this game.

Well that's reassuring since TFP are NOT making a kid's game. This is a 17+ game, not Minecraft creative mode.

[onanonehand8]

Publicado originalmente por shadow3641:

Publicado originalmente por Unturned:

Yeah, water is the new A21 early game bottleneck and it will be more difficult if your playing with more people. Early on everyone needs to focus on doing missions or finding enough items to sell to get at least one of those dew collector filters. This will remove the immediate urgency for water but to be comfortable you probably need about 2 dew collectors per person, and 3 to 4 if you want to use that water to start making glue. Also if you use 2 hour game days you will need double those figures because the way the water system works is real time versus the dew collector generates only static 3 per day so on 2 hour game you use about 6 bottles a day of water but still only make 3.

If you absolutely hate the trader , there are a few POI's that have a dew collecter in it, not sure if using a landclaim block will let you remove it intact. You can also find the mod that lets you drink dirty water but that is a big gamble early game to find. The devs really want players to use the trader this alpha and if you hate traders you can still avoid them for the entire rest of the game right after you buy those filters. It sounds like you are mid or possibly approaching end game if you want to eliminate that bottleneck just build 10 to 20 of those dew collectors and your need for water will disappear very quickly.

Yeah I play with my kids, some are on the younger side and like to just hang out in the game to be included. So on a multiplayer with 4 people and we do the 2 hour game days to try to let the ones that are able to do work have enough time to do things. Water is the biggest challenge since we would need at lest 8 dew collectors just to be stable right off the back.
This has completely changed the focus of the game to just scramble to get water instead of being able to focus on the other aspects of the early game that where fun for us. We tried multiple angles to get it back to where we can focus on the core of the game but for us this update has made it not fun to play anymore. This is very sad since me and the kids use to have a lot of fun playing this game.

If this is about your kids, unless there is some infirmity, I am pretty sure they would be just as happy spending time in other ways. I mean, honestly, there isn't a lot of real interaction if everyone is intently looking at monitors and getting dopamine surges with zombie kills.

Not to be preachy, but it's a bit off to think this is a good way to interact with your children.

[MiSFiT77]

My latest play through I have two dew collectors. I didn't really need them. I finished a quest and the only reward (that I had any interest in) on offer were two filters, so I begrudgingly took them. Left them in a box until I realised I had collected over 200 plastic fibres/polymers (or whatever they are called) so made two collectors and just placed them outside my base. So they are extra water but in truth I didn't really need them. I was getting plenty of water from pois. Taking duct tape as rewards or buying it, or buying glue relatively cheaply from traders.

Then yesterday I found the holy grail. The helmet filter, so I now need my dew collectors even less than I did.

I know, I know. This sounds like another smug old player defending da Pimps at any cost. But thats not really the case. First play through, I panicked a little and focused dew collectors because.......well just look at the hullaballoo about them in this forum "water is broken" etc etc. So I went with the crowd and made dew collectors my priority. Then I realised that by looting lots of POIs (which is what I do anyway) I was finding lots of water and constantly forgetting to check the dew collectors.

So I decided to not worry about water. Yeh I agree the first 3 or 4 days can be hard if you are unlucky. But tbh thats always been the game. First few days you have nothing and need everything. By the end of the first week, you kinda have a better idea of what to prioritise. By end of week 2 you have a functional base and are strarting to think about chem stations, mini bikes or even motor bikes.

From that point on it's pretty much the same game as it always was.

[MiSFiT77]

Publicado originalmente por shadow3641:

Yeah I play with my kids, some are on the younger side and like to just hang out in the game to be included. So on a multiplayer with 4 people and we do the 2 hour game days to try to let the ones that are able to do work have enough time to do things. Water is the biggest challenge since we would need at lest 8 dew collectors just to be stable right off the back.
This has completely changed the focus of the game to just scramble to get water instead of being able to focus on the other aspects of the early game that where fun for us. We tried multiple angles to get it back to where we can focus on the core of the game but for us this update has made it not fun to play anymore. This is very sad since me and the kids use to have a lot of fun playing this game.

I have kids too. If they are all at very different skill/ability level then maybe you should consider using creative mode in your game. press f1 key, type cm into console. Then in game press the U key and you can access whatever you need. I know some consider it to be cheating but it'd be a quick and easy way to get you and yor nippers through the first few days. You could just grab a couple of free dew collectors. Or. If it was my kids I'd give them a box full of essentials day 1 (water, armour, food and a couple of weapons). You could even role play it into the game ie "hey kids look I found a survival box by this tree" Then you and any older kids can play the harder version where you have to actually work for your food, armour, weapons etc and the littluns can be part of the game, but without the grind at the start.

Edit: Or give the younguns a helmet and water filter each so they can just drink from swimming pools, rivers, lakes and any other water sources.

Its what a good parent would do anyway. Make sure the youngest children are looked after.

[Crashtian]

Publicado originalmente por shadow3641:

Publicado originalmente por Unturned:

Yeah, water is the new A21 early game bottleneck and it will be more difficult if your playing with more people. Early on everyone needs to focus on doing missions or finding enough items to sell to get at least one of those dew collector filters. This will remove the immediate urgency for water but to be comfortable you probably need about 2 dew collectors per person, and 3 to 4 if you want to use that water to start making glue. Also if you use 2 hour game days you will need double those figures because the way the water system works is real time versus the dew collector generates only static 3 per day so on 2 hour game you use about 6 bottles a day of water but still only make 3.

If you absolutely hate the trader , there are a few POI's that have a dew collecter in it, not sure if using a landclaim block will let you remove it intact. You can also find the mod that lets you drink dirty water but that is a big gamble early game to find. The devs really want players to use the trader this alpha and if you hate traders you can still avoid them for the entire rest of the game right after you buy those filters. It sounds like you are mid or possibly approaching end game if you want to eliminate that bottleneck just build 10 to 20 of those dew collectors and your need for water will disappear very quickly.

Yeah I play with my kids, some are on the younger side and like to just hang out in the game to be included. So on a multiplayer with 4 people and we do the 2 hour game days to try to let the ones that are able to do work have enough time to do things. Water is the biggest challenge since we would need at lest 8 dew collectors just to be stable right off the back.
This has completely changed the focus of the game to just scramble to get water instead of being able to focus on the other aspects of the early game that where fun for us. We tried multiple angles to get it back to where we can focus on the core of the game but for us this update has made it not fun to play anymore. This is very sad since me and the kids use to have a lot of fun playing this game.

Lol your kids are your problem.