arrow slits

[theace001]

are they effective? do they weaken the wall's strenght? i am about to start my mass build, and i was wondering if they are worth using because they seem like a cool idea

oh and i will be making a reinforced concrete base

[vv [FuMM]]

Oh also. Arrow slits are a bit faster to place down than normal cobble stone blocks. They come prebuilt! so if you need a rush repair job you can quickly whack them down and no cobble stone fill in is required!

[Vexing Cat]

Originally posted by vv FuMM:

Originally posted by Seraphin:

You're wrong ... the V is supposed to allow you to have a wider view than just an I, but also to prevent getting hit by the enemy. If the small opening points to the enemy, it's much harder for him to shoot through. If the wide opening points to the enemy it may act as a funnel guiding the arrow directly to you.

See also:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Arrow_slat_corfe_castle.jpg

Yes I know the idea is to present a smaller target to the enemy. I don't think swapping around the side will make much of a difference to targeting. The main difference is withstanding a cannon ball or other nasty projectile. I've a feeling that having the big side of the V pointing towards the person inside the castle is better in terms of strength and not in terms of fireing angles. The slots where made in times of low tech (compaired to now) cutting technology (don't talk about the anchient egyptions etc.. I'm only talking about europe) and usually no concrete. Having a Wedge that gets hit by cannon balls with the flat end pointed towards the cannon ball might be more resistant like standing on an arch works but when you turn it upside down you suddenly need to brace it way more...

Regardless! you are correct! I had to go back and check images again. I assumed the slots would be angled away from the user because of a few things:

1. Walls are usually sloped to deflect cannon etc balls.
2. Shotguns/blunderbuss usually are really effective in a cone spray pattern.
3. Star forts.

I still think having the flat side towards me is a better design because we arn't against cannons.

I'm standing on them in a base I have:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=779253023

The other way around and there is a horrible up and down bumpy effect as well as the bottom dip not being in line with the floor.

Arrow slits pre-date cannon, by a very long time. Oh and The Romans used Star forts. Nether of these are modern, and when I say modern I mean post BC.

Edit: had a senoir moment and had to remove a mistake.

[Seraphin]

Originally posted by vv FuMM:

I've a feeling that having the big side of the V pointing towards the person inside the castle is better in terms of strength and not in terms of fireing angles.

I don't think so ... having the large opening inside, it helps to divide a hitting force to the rest of the wall beside. *edit* nevermind, you already said the same, I just read it the opposite way first, sorry. */edit*

Nevertheless, such slits are a weak point anyway. And as you are talking about cannon balls, the invention of gun powder marks the end of medival ages and their castles anyway.

That said about a historical context, ingame is another part of course:

Having the small opening towards the player helps to have a wider view from the place you are standing. That's because you can't lean or move your head in a way, you would do it in real life. Also for vertical sight, you can only stand or crouch in one height each.

From a gameplay side of view it could really make more sense, if the slits would be turned around because of the limited "body movements" a player can make.

[Spindizzi]

I don't rate them particularly.

Against players and firing through them I think they can be useful as hard to see when someone else is on the other side, maybe use as a peephole on an area you mostly want privacy.

Sniper tower perhaps.

But as a standard zombie wall defence, well you can't melee through them and it's hard to see properly through them when there is a zombie right in front of it that you still have to waste ranged ammo on, so don't find it particularly useful there.

As some have suggested, pillar 50 is one alternative.

My choice for a superior zombie focused arrow slit is place 1/4 blocks to stand on their ends opposite normal blocks, you basically end up with an arrow slit that's twice as wide. Better visibility, can melee through, etc

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

I find them very useful when placed horizontally as a low-cost upper level rim/wedge around my first base. I normally just need some wood and I can kill any zed from them during horde night.

[Humpenstilzchen]

I think they are obsolete

[DragAxx]

The arrow slits are more for PVP. They make it harder for players to Shoot back because you can hide behind the slit. If you have pillars, you can only protect yourself from Z's. Players have no problems shooting through them.

[Skine]

50 pillars are better

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

I don't think many players really understand how to use them. Cop vomit will hit people who are too exposed (e.g.: behind 50 pillars or iron bars), while behind arrow slits, for example, it's much easier to take cover.

[Rev]

Originally posted by DragAxx:

The arrow slits are more for PVP. They make it harder for players to Shoot back

Not completely true, I use them over bars because of earlier comments - more block HP and, still a way of shooting through a full block

[theace001]

i used them on both the base i made after this thread and the base in my co-op game. they work well on horde nights if you know how to use them and you have spikes outside. (edit) it is key you know how to use the arrow slits. no, you can't melee through them, but you can shoot any projectile through them. if you are a bad shot, you shouldn't use them, but if you use them one every block and have a them stacked two blocks high, they work well. (end edit)
i had trouble with doing a video of the base in october when i finished it, and then got busy with college. since my last final is tomorrow (december 9th now for me), i should have time to figure out why it wouldn't record and get a tour of my base video up. and yes, it does have a draw bridge over a sea of spikes.

[rav]

i think arrow slits can be useful in PvP because their intention only works against enemies who are shooting at you.
Its easier too shoot out than in.

but for zombies i dont see any use.

[kor kilden]

I have a small base set up that is exclusively spikes and arrow slits. You can melee through the slits with some weapons (shivs and similar, I use shivs to bust corpses so the spikes can do their job on the next wave), and you can loot through them. The only downsides are less Hp than solid walls due to no frame state and difficulty strafing side to side while hugging them.

The base in question is 10x10, everything on a 4 block above the ground platform. The bottom walls are surrounded by a sea of spikes 4-5 wide, the bottom foundation of the walls is a standard wood block with arrow slit walls above it, with a sea of spikes inside the walls. I can walk along the foundation wood blocks without hitting my own spikes, climb a ladder to the next floor up, shoot down through the arrow slits on that level at anything that breaches, take a ladder to the top floor with storage and manufacturing, step out to the balcony, and snipe anything I please.

It's only been tested through about day 70 but it holds well.

[chaosconley]

do you need help on mass build i'm pretty good at it and i'm a good defender while you build

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Originally posted by chaosconley:

do you need help on mass build i'm pretty good at it and i'm a good defender while you build

???