You dont' die from dehydration and starvation anymore why?

[Albi]

this game is supposed to be brutal and realistic why have you dumbed this game down?

[Mardoin69]

Cuz too many loud noisy whiners crying and complaining probably. I figure that's the reason for a lot of the 'dumbing down' in this game.

As for dehydration / starvation... it 'can' now lead to death but, more of a roundabout way. It decreases your max stamina and health. This in turn leads to you being easy to kill by the enemy types... especially once you've gotten down to the max loss of those stats. Try outrunning / fighting off a mob at that point. It's usually game over at that point... time to respawn at your bed... or wake up from that really bad nightmare, lol.

Edit: And, to add to this response, it does 'eventually' kill you. @Seven did a little test and found you can eventually die. Most ppl just don't let it go that far before drinking and eating again. I did sometimes let myself die partly due to starving / dehydrating and mostly cuz of stamina loss not being able to defeat attackers... just because I was too infected to recover from it since I couldn't find antibiotics.

[Invader Zim]

After a guy cried in the forums that is was literally impossible to live past day 2 without starving or dying of thirst, I started a game with his specs to see if it were true. Last I played it I was at day 183 without starving to death, dying of thirst or being killed by zombie or animal attacks. I posted at day 4 that I hadn't died yet and never went back to that thread. I wonder if he ever learned how to live past day 2.

[Afshin]

Survival games have different focus areas. Things like The Long Dark and Green Hell focus more on the mundane survival aspects of the game. 7 Days is more focused on the zombies, so the hunger, thirst, weather, etc. are de-emphasized. I think they should introduce sliders for hunger, thirst, etc. so you could focus on those aspects if you want.

[seven]

I would have sworn that without food your health slowly goes to 0 and then you die. Maybe I'm thinking of another game, or remembering an older alpha. At least infection still kills you at 100%.

[Nerevar]

death in this game has no real consequences to begin with. you just respawn and even select to respawn right next to where you died and all zombies get despawned aswell includeing horde night.

its the only game i play with permadeath out of all games i play. because the game is just not a challenge if death has no consequences. even on insane. the challenge is just gone. and avoideing death is so easy its not even funny.

like. water is an issue for the first 2 days at most. then its trivival. in alpha 22 it will be even easier to manage water again due to the collector changes all you need to find on day 1 is a cooking pot. and all traders sell one 100% the time on top of this.

food is even simpler. just eat eggs and make bacon and eggs asap once you get there. done. food sloved.

[Khissi]

Well, the game is designed so that people can play it the way THEY want to play it. You have so many options and sliders, and choices when setting up your game. You can even adjust things in the xml files to make it suit your playstyle. All those choices you can make, and, if you choose not to, that's on you! Do a bit of digging about in your xml and make it fit you better rather than complaining that everyone is not playing the game the way YOU think it should be played. Make those consequences! Play perma-death! Good grief!

EDIT: OH YEAH! There are mods that will do this for you!

[MindЯewind]

Well you will die without stamina ..

[ElDudorino]

Originally posted by Khissi:

Well, the game is designed so that people can play it the way THEY want to play it. You have so many options and sliders, and choices when setting up your game. You can even adjust things in the xml files to make it suit your playstyle. All those choices you can make, and, if you choose not to, that's on you! Do a bit of digging about in your xml and make it fit you better rather than complaining that everyone is not playing the game the way YOU think it should be played. Make those consequences! Play perma-death! Good grief!

EDIT: OH YEAH! There are mods that will do this for you!

The game is intended to be a survival game but the survival elements like hunger, thirst, and weather essentially do nothing. But you think the people pointing this out are the problem?

[Brevan]

Originally posted by Pengzilla:

Well you will die without stamina ..

It's certainly easier to die, but you can do quite a lot without using Stamina (i.e. your Water is at zero). Without Stamina you can still sneak, use ranged weapons, loot, and walk, so if you play a stealthy build then not much will change. I don't remember building when my Stamina was at zero, but I'd expect you to be able to place and upgrade blocks, but you wouldn't be able break them down (so use Hatches if you need to hide behind something) or jump onto them (you could probably still climb up ladders that completely reach the ground and then pick up the bottom two).

[Alucard †]

Wait .. you don't?
Huh??

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by ElDudorino:

Originally posted by Khissi:

Well, the game is designed so that people can play it the way THEY want to play it. You have so many options and sliders, and choices when setting up your game. You can even adjust things in the xml files to make it suit your playstyle. All those choices you can make, and, if you choose not to, that's on you! Do a bit of digging about in your xml and make it fit you better rather than complaining that everyone is not playing the game the way YOU think it should be played. Make those consequences! Play perma-death! Good grief!

EDIT: OH YEAH! There are mods that will do this for you!

The game is intended to be a survival game but the survival elements like hunger, thirst, and weather essentially do nothing. But you think the people pointing this out are the problem?

7DTD isn't a survival game like that and isn't intended to be and never was. It's a mix of different genres. A soup. A soup in which players have the options to make quite a lot of changes to the ingredients and the option of using mods to make far more. Or edit settings in files themselves if they prefer.

There's plenty of scope for argument about the default settings and some of the design choices, but it's never been and was never intended to be a pure player vs environment survival game where the core objective is adequate shelter, water and food.

Also, those basics of survival are a challenge for new players. It's easy for experienced players to forget how hard the game was as a newbie.

[Undefined]

I believe that, if you have 0 water, you cannot regen Stamina at all, which can be a pretty scary thing, esp if you play with Sprinters+.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Tahnval:

Originally posted by ElDudorino:

The game is intended to be a survival game but the survival elements like hunger, thirst, and weather essentially do nothing. But you think the people pointing this out are the problem?

7DTD isn't a survival game like that and isn't intended to be and never was. It's a mix of different genres. A soup. A soup in which players have the options to make quite a lot of changes to the ingredients and the option of using mods to make far more. Or edit settings in files themselves if they prefer.

There's plenty of scope for argument about the default settings and some of the design choices, but it's never been and was never intended to be a pure player vs environment survival game where the core objective is adequate shelter, water and food.

Also, those basics of survival are a challenge for new players. It's easy for experienced players to forget how hard the game was as a newbie.

how "hard"? how is the game hard when death has no real consequence? oh wait. it aint.

[Somnion]

Originally posted by HammerdinPally:

this game is supposed to be brutal and realistic why have you dumbed this game down?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/7daystodie/7-days-to-die-zombie-survival-game

No where here does it say realistic, nor does it say brutal. Mind filling me in on where devs have said that this game is supposed to be brutal and realistic?

Random gamer head-canon strikes again, i guess.

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

Originally posted by Tahnval:

7DTD isn't a survival game like that and isn't intended to be and never was. It's a mix of different genres. A soup. A soup in which players have the options to make quite a lot of changes to the ingredients and the option of using mods to make far more. Or edit settings in files themselves if they prefer.

There's plenty of scope for argument about the default settings and some of the design choices, but it's never been and was never intended to be a pure player vs environment survival game where the core objective is adequate shelter, water and food.

Also, those basics of survival are a challenge for new players. It's easy for experienced players to forget how hard the game was as a newbie.

how "hard"? how is the game hard when death has no real consequence? oh wait. it aint.

It's a challenge for new players to not die. You can carry on playing after dying if you want. Or not if you don't.