Can't Find Lucky Looter Vol 3

[Suspense]

Playing on a server with 4 people. It's day 25 and not a single one of us can find this last book in the set. is it just rare or broken or do the RNG gods hate us?

I've looted A LOT and keep getting every other book in the series. We've sold stacks of 20 of each of the other 6 a couple of times. It's kind of ridiculous

[Venomir]

It likely is just coming down to RNG. I'm not a mathematician, but I'm pretty sure you need to find a LOT of books to get every perk book, and I think one of the things going against you here is that you are focusing on the one book you don't have, which is to say, you are picking the last (or one of the last) perk books that your group needs. One of the books is obviously always going to be the last perk book you find and by merit of focusing on the last book you are focusing on the worse probability perk book for this run. Importantly though, this doesn't mean it was the least likely to be found.

I believe the perk books are equal chance, I'm not positive on that but some one please correct me if I'm wrong as I'd like to know myself.

That said, assuming equal drop chance, there are 133 perk books in the game (19 sets times 7). Thus you are sort of asking how many perk books do I need to collect in game in order to have collected all 133 books that have an equal chance of dropping. Luckily there is an exact match to this situation and it is called the Coupon Collectors Problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem

I won't pretend to understand these concepts, but it looks like you have to get into Sterling Numbers of the Second Kind and some really advanced mathematics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_numbers_of_the_second_kind

I found this calculator for this situation and ran 20 examples at 133 perk books to see how many books your group would need to find in order to get every perk book.
https://demonstrations.wolfram.com/CouponCollectorProblem/

I think this should be a pretty fair number for you to consider as again, I'm pretty sure you are focusing on one of, if not the last book of the 133 and thus you are unintentionally focusing on one of, if not the last book in the 133 set you need.

In any case, the results of the 20 runs were 842, 449, 733, 601, 798, 719, 970, 632, 821, 579, 671, 964, 1048, 1458, 942, 473, 581, 846, 944 & 587. Based on this on average your group seems to need to find about 783 perk books to get every one of the 133 books.

I would say that if you think you've found more than 783 perk books (seems unlikely to me on day 25) then you might be having slightly bad RNG luck. If you your group is approaching the 1,458 perk books (the highest in my 20 run sample) then the RNG gods are probably hating you.

I do realize that you have 4 people playing, but I think you actually have to focus on how many perk books you've found as a group, and not how many people are playing. As a multiplayer situation with 4 people likely does not increase your chances by 4x, if you consider that some players might focus on farming, cooking or base building and not be actively collecting books. Also, if multiple people are doing the same quests at the same times, then you have to consider that there are still only so many places in that quests POI where a perk book can spawn/drop and all 4 of you are sharing those same spawn drops, so the amount of perk books you collect during shared quest is likely the same as if 1 player was playing.

That said you can argue you can complete more quests quicker as with 4 people you will complete the quests faster, but that will be a small speed increase, and wont be 4x as fast. In fact, in my experience playing multiplayer with people I know actually tends to slow down a lot of our game play as you divvy up books and other loot figuring out who needs what and you get side tracked having side conversations unrelated to the game as your character stands about in the zombie wasteland when he could be looting etc.

[william_es]

Just rng. as soon as you get 1 to drop, another few will drop right after.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by william_es:

Just rng. as soon as you get 1 to drop, another few will drop right after.

Yep, it's absolutely just RNG.

OP - unless you are playing a self-imposed "no traders" game keep checking the traders whenever they refresh.

[Pain Weasel]

Perks increase the loot chance for perk books just like magazines. It isn't mentioned in the game but it is absolutely in the XML.

If you want to find Lucky Looter books put a point or two in the Lucky Looter perk. When you get the full set the loot bonus drops to 0. With one or two points into the related perk I've never taken more than a few days to find all 7 in a set.

For example:

Deadeye - Sniper perk book
Spear Master - Spear Hunter perk book
Salvage Ops - Wasteland Treasures book
Lucy Looter - Lucky Looter perk book
Gunslinger - Magnum Enforcer and Pistol Pete perk books
Archery - Ranger's Guide to Archery
Miner 69'r - The Art of Mining
Hidden Strike - Urban Combat

and so on.

[Razorfish]

believe it or not..... street trash in those boxers on the roads is where i have found some books.But ALWAYS put 2 points in lucky looter & lockpick

[Suspense]

The first thing I maxed was Lucky Looter. Second was rewards and bartering. My focus was not to focus on any skill that might skew book finding a certain way, but there's definitely bias for certain books in certain locations. I still find it odd the distribution having dozens of the rest of the set. I'll have to look at the xml file. Since posting this, I've completed sets I don't even have any perks or skills towards. Just really weird.

I mean, there still are bugs in the game. Yucca smoothie gives cold resistance not heat resistance, for example. Pretty sure that's an error.

[CrazedTrucker]

Your just getting screwed by rngesus lol

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Pain Weasel:

Perks increase the loot chance for perk books just like magazines. It isn't mentioned in the game...

It is mentioned in the game.

[Pain Weasel]

Originally posted by Ghost:

Originally posted by Pain Weasel:

Perks increase the loot chance for perk books just like magazines. It isn't mentioned in the game...

It is mentioned in the game.

Did they finally add it in? Where?

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Pain Weasel:

Originally posted by Ghost:

It is mentioned in the game.

Did they finally add it in? Where?

Apologies, you're right. Sleep deprivation; Was thinking of the 1st advanced survival challenge, but that specifically mentions shotgun weekly, not shotgun messiah.

[Suspense]

After looking into the XML files, it is actually messed up.

Perk points in Lucky Looter is suppose to increase the chance of finding each of the books until all are read by using the tag "LuckyProb".

Volume 3 is missing the tag, so the outcome is that the book is EXTREMELY rare unless I respec with no lucky looter skill.

[Pain Weasel]

Originally posted by Suspense:

After looking into the XML files, it is actually messed up.

Perk points in Lucky Looter is suppose to increase the chance of finding each of the books until all are read by using the tag "LuckyProb".

Volume 3 is missing the tag, so the outcome is that the book is EXTREMELY rare unless I respec with no lucky looter skill.

I'm not sure that is the case.

Lucky Looter 2-7 all extend Lucky Looter 1, meaning they inherit the values from that item, which does have the tags, unless overridden with new values. Unless Lucky Looter 3 specifically has some tags to override that inherited value it should still work.

[Dogmilk]

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