Still in early access

[SMChillin]

This game should have never been allowed to be sold as a finished product, not to say that it isn't fun to play. I'm just pointing out that the changes often don't seem like additions/updates as much as reworking an early access project. That is all.

[SylenThunder]

Just because it left EA, doesn't mean it is a finished product.

[SMChillin]

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

Just because it left EA, doesn't mean it is a finished product.

I disagree with the sentiment.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6554-ED29-FBDB-1612

How will I know when an Early Access game will be finished?
Its up to the developer to determine when they are ready to leave Early Access. Some developers have a concrete deadline in mind, while others will get a better sense as the development of the game progresses. You should be aware that some developers will be unable to 'finish' their game. So you should only buy an Early Access game if you are excited about playing it in its current state.

Doesn't say anything about coming out of early access before game is finished. Just says dev gets to choose when to leave, if the FPs decided to leave early access before finishing the game that kinda seems worse, right?

[xycotta]

Stellaris changes all the time

[SMChillin]

Originally posted by xycotta:

Stellaris changes all the time

Okay? Sounds like it's also still in early access... I don't play it, and your statement doesn't add or detract from my point.

[Ragequit Inc.]

Minecraft says hi.

Admittedly, when MC went 1.0, it had the features promised for 1.0.

[DUREMAR]

lol i need to do this for the achivments

[SMChillin]

Originally posted by Ragequit Inc.:

Minecraft says hi.

Admittedly, when MC went 1.0, it had the features promised for 1.0.

Granted there are probably dozens of examples of uncompleted games that people enjoy, doesn't make them actually out of early access. I don't play minecraft either, but a cursory glance at it's history looks like the current edition isn't even the same game. I don't really have anything else to say about early access that I haven't already so, unless someone has something other than "X game does it so it's fine", I'll just say we'll probably never agree on this.

[Plague]

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

Just because it left EA, doesn't mean it is a finished product.

thats exactly what leaving early access is lol

[Somnion]

Originally posted by SMChillin:

This game should have never been allowed to be sold as a finished product, not to say that it isn't fun to play. I'm just pointing out that the changes often don't seem like additions/updates as much as reworking an early access project. That is all.

It was sold specifically as an unfinished product for over a decade. That's what early access is; playing a game during active development. Your opinions on the updates don't matter. Being ignorant about what's being updated to the point where you think it's all "reworking" doesn't matter. You're wrong.

People "rework" the same stupid early access complaints year after year and it's always completely pointless.

Originally posted by Plague:

Originally posted by SylenThunder:

Just because it left EA, doesn't mean it is a finished product.

thats exactly what leaving early access is lol

Wrong. Type "does leaving early access mean the game is finished?" into google.


Leaving early access doesn't mean the game is 100% feature complete.

[SMChillin]

Originally posted by Somnion:

Originally posted by SMChillin:

This game should have never been allowed to be sold as a finished product, not to say that it isn't fun to play. I'm just pointing out that the changes often don't seem like additions/updates as much as reworking an early access project. That is all.

It was sold specifically as an unfinished product for over a decade. That's what early access is; playing a game during active development. Your opinions on the updates don't matter. Being ignorant about what's being updated to the point where you think it's all "reworking" doesn't matter. You're wrong.

Originally posted by Plague:

thats exactly what leaving early access is lol

Wrong. Type "does leaving early access mean the game is finished?" into google.


Leaving early access doesn't mean the game is 100% feature complete.

It was sold as an unfinished product for over a decade and it still is an unfinished product, what changed between early access and not early access? It is still in current development so why is it not in early access? To be very clear my problem is that this game isn't still in early access, no issues with early access in general. Your opinions on my ignorance don't matter, especially when yours is on full display. You're wrong and need to wake up.

[Seftak]

How i see it is : early access is for games which are still in heavy developement and lack major game features. Most often it's the alpha stage, where the devs work on basic game mechanics and all that and need feedbacks from testers to know what they think about it and to find bugs.

After early access it's either full release, game is done and does not need any more updates, other than bug fixes. Or, in this case, in my opinion, the game enters the public beta stage. Where most of the mechanics are there and work fine but there is still some fine tuning to do and might miss some other features.

In this case those features would be the story mode and NPCs. But the sandbox part works good enough to justify getting out of early access since the game is not a incomplete broken mess anymore.

[xycotta]

Originally posted by SMChillin:

Originally posted by xycotta:

Stellaris changes all the time

Okay? Sounds like it's also still in early access... I don't play it, and your statement doesn't add or detract from my point.

Ah, well Stellaris is from one of the major Developers, Paradox. Point being, we aren't int he 90's when games 'were finished' at release and instead are in a constant state of rebuilding.

[Mithrandir]

Even BG3, a hugely successful game, got many content upgrades for nearly 2 years after release, and only after that did the devs called it content complete (no more future content patches, only bug fixes).

The only clear difference with 7dtd is that TFP are quite slower than most other devs. So the content upgrades will go on for what seems like an eternity to anyone waiting for the "complete" version.

[SMChillin]

Originally posted by xycotta:

Originally posted by SMChillin:

Okay? Sounds like it's also still in early access... I don't play it, and your statement doesn't add or detract from my point.

Ah, well Stellaris is from one of the major Developers, Paradox. Point being, we aren't int he 90's when games 'were finished' at release and instead are in a constant state of rebuilding.

Cool, I didn't ask and I don't care. Games shouldn't be constantly rebuilding outside of early access, that is literally the reason early access exists. Big D developer huh? They your big G in the sky, do they grant your prayers for a game that never ends and is always changing? Sounds like they got you hook, line, and sinker. Keep up the faith...

PS Thanks for explaining how time works, I wasn't sure.

[xycotta]

Originally posted by SMChillin:

Originally posted by xycotta:

Ah, well Stellaris is from one of the major Developers, Paradox. Point being, we aren't int he 90's when games 'were finished' at release and instead are in a constant state of rebuilding.

Cool, I didn't ask and I don't care. Games shouldn't be constantly rebuilding outside of early access, that is literally the reason early access exists. Big D developer huh? They your big G in the sky, do they grant your prayers for a game that never ends and is always changing? Sounds like they got you hook, line, and sinker. Keep up the faith...

PS Thanks for explaining how time works, I wasn't sure.

Point being, your concept of EA is outdated and not the norm. But you be you.