To the complainers:

[kapsellola]

Wow, the passion in this community is truly something. So many thoughtful complaints—every single day! It’s amazing how much time some of you are willing to dedicate to a game you claim to hate.

The devs must be so lucky to have such dedicated critics. They only deliver regular updates, fix bugs, and try to improve the game—but hey, they should really pause and listen to your 37th post about how the game sucks

If only other communities had this level of tireless feedback. Really, keep it up. You're making such a difference.

[Tahnval]

There are two possibilities:

i) You have no idea what hate is.

or

ii) You're deliberately misusing the word in an attempt to compel obedience through denunciation.

I think the latter is more likely, but if it's the former then your life is remarkably sheltered and lovely.

The devs aren't even here, by the way. Most of the people who aren't adulating the game here probably know that, since it's not a secret. This isn't a forum for feedback to the devs because the devs aren't here.

[william_es]

Originally posted by Tahnval:

The devs aren't even here, by the way. Most of the people who aren't adulating the game here probably know that, since it's not a secret. This isn't a forum for feedback to the devs because the devs aren't here.

Exactly, which makes what the OP is saying even MORE ironic and on point.

All this vitriol being poured out, and noneeeeeee of it is going anywhere near where the devs can see it. If they cared that much, they should go create accounts on the dev's main site, and post it there...

but... oh, wait... if they say 1/10th of the stuff they say here on steam on the dev's site, they'll get banned and bounced in a heartbeat. Pretty much 99% of what's said here is just complaints without any constructive criticism or valid feedback.

[kapsellola]

Originally posted by Tahnval:

There are two possibilities:

i) You have no idea what hate is.

or

ii) You're deliberately misusing the word in an attempt to compel obedience through denunciation.

I think the latter is more likely, but if it's the former then your life is remarkably sheltered and lovely.

The devs aren't even here, by the way. Most of the people who aren't adulating the game here probably know that, since it's not a secret. This isn't a forum for feedback to the devs because the devs aren't here.

Appreciate the armchair psychology, really. Always fun when someone assumes your entire worldview from a single forum post.

Yes, I know the devs aren’t here, never said they were. But this is still the game’s community hub, right? Where people talk about the game? Just making sure I didn’t accidentally wander into a philosophy class.

And if calling out constant negativity is now considered “compelling obedience,” then damn, the bar’s really low. But sure, carry on. I’m sure the next 200 posts about how 7DTD is trash will finally fix everything.

[Blackmoon_h]

>You have no idea what hate is.
This one.
>try to improve the game
"Try" and "make" are differen things.
>listen to your 37th post about how the game sucks
If you don't think like that you are welcome to enjoy the game without flaming people you don't agree with. Why so much expression? Do you have a tear in your eye? Does it disturb you?

[kapsellola]

Originally posted by Blackmoon_h:

>You have no idea what hate is.
This one.
>try to improve the game
"Try" and "make" are differen things.
>listen to your 37th post about how the game sucks
If you don't think like that you are welcome to enjoy the game without flaming people you don't agree with. Why so much expression? Do you have a tear in your eye? Does it disturb you?

You know what? Yeah, I am frustrated. Because every time the devs put out an update, half this forum acts like it’s a personal insult.

They’ve been working on this game for over a decade, and no, it’s not perfect but they’re still here, still updating, still pushing it forward. That actually matters.

So yeah, when I see endless whining dressed up as “criticism,” I push back. Because shouting the game down every day helps nothing, it just buries the devs’ actual progress under piles of pointless negativity.

If defending the people keeping this game alive makes me the bad guy here, then so be it.

[Blackmoon_h]

>half this forum acts like it’s a personal insult.
Because it is. You unpack you brain to get this result. Kinda hard and time consuming. People use their energy. You have to think about things to compare, you know.
>it just buries the devs’ actual progress under piles of pointless negativity.
I thought they called it "FEEDBACK" before. Things changed 10 years in.
>If defending the people keeping this game alive makes me the bad guy here, then so be it.
Everybody have to make a choice who they be one day XD

[Mithrandir]

To OP, I would just like to give my opinion on this :

The game is a huge success, it sold more than 16 millions copies. It got a 87 % positive review score on Steam which is very good.

But, just with maths, it means there may be like 13% who are dissatisfied (negative reviews). 13% of 16+ millions is around 2 millions ppl (simplifying 1 copy for 1 ppl here even if a few own more than one). So that's 2 millions dissatisfied ppl and, as william_es said, some of them just can't rage on the official forum as they would be silenced for not being constructive in any way. This leaves only places like here for them to vent and try to negatively influence others about the game.

IMO, that's the reason why we see a disproportionate number of dissatisfied ppl here. It's not that they are the majority (probably around 13 %) of all the customers, it's just that they're numerous because the game sold incredibly well. Having a few hundreds of the most vocals here amongst 2 millions dissatisfied customers isn't a surprise. I would even expect more as humans are way more motivated to be vocal when dissatisfied than when satisfied.

This being said, there are others here who hope for changes (or mods) without hating the game. Their posts are usually complaining about a few topics without considering the entirety of the game a mess. Those are imo posting interesting opinions and they often generate good discussions. Also, some modders may take their ideas to make interesting mods, making the game liked by even more ppl.

[william_es]

The way I look at it is this:

I paid for this game once, and once only. Over 10 years ago. And I've never had to pay again.

It's like I went to a restaurant and had a great meal. And every time I come back I get to eat again. But I never got another bill. The restaurant has changed the menu a lot, sometimes radically. But I gave it a chance each time, and actually liked it. And once again, all for freeeeeeeee.

At this point I feel guilty. I wish there was some kind of DLC I buy to throw them a bone.

[SylenThunder]

Originally posted by william_es:

The way I look at it is this:

I paid for this game once, and once only. Over 10 years ago. And I've never had to pay again.

It's like I went to a restaurant and had a great meal. And every time I come back I get to eat again. But I never got another bill. The restaurant has changed the menu a lot, sometimes radically. But I gave it a chance each time, and actually liked it. And once again, all for freeeeeeeee.

At this point I feel guilty. I wish there was some kind of DLC I buy to throw them a bone.

Currently you can get the soundtrack.

You can also purchase items from the merch shop[merch.thefunpimps.com]. I have a couple of coasters and the hat.

And when v2.0 finally arrives there will be outfit DLC.

[Demios]

BRUH!.. You have NO idea how limited the 7dtd community is on steam... It's like really sad but really REALLY funny at the same time.. =)

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by kapsellola:

Originally posted by Tahnval:

There are two possibilities:

i) You have no idea what hate is.

or

ii) You're deliberately misusing the word in an attempt to compel obedience through denunciation.

I think the latter is more likely, but if it's the former then your life is remarkably sheltered and lovely.

The devs aren't even here, by the way. Most of the people who aren't adulating the game here probably know that, since it's not a secret. This isn't a forum for feedback to the devs because the devs aren't here.

Appreciate the armchair psychology, really. Always fun when someone assumes your entire worldview from a single forum post.
[..]

Is it? Nobody's done that here.

I'm now sure the answer is (ii). You're using hyperbole or fiction to denounce anyone who dissents. You did it with your OP and you did it again in your reply to my post. It's a well used tactic for attempting to suppress dissent.

There's not even any psychology in my post. Just very simple logic. You seriously misused a word. The only two possible explanations are that you did so unintentionally or that you did so intentionally.

[Legion]

That's what happens when you develop a game backwards from one of its best versions and start stripping things that people have been enjoying for no reason.

[Somnion]

Originally posted by Legion:

That's what happens when you develop a game backwards from one of its best versions and start stripping things that people have been enjoying for no reason.

This is what happens when you take your own opinion way too seriously. The game started from a skeleton and worked its way up, not the other way around.

People playing early access "enjoying" primitive versions of mechanics or straight up store assets. Then when things inevitably get upgraded, yall think they're ripping the heart and soul out of the game. Everything new is instantly hated because it isn't the old thing. It's really silly. I refuse to believe that the early alphas were peak and everything since then has been a wash. I've experienced more than most and i simply cannot comprehend posts like yours.

Lets see how many "strips" i can identify: (feel free to add to this)

Skyrim-esque LBD without any of the nuance to make it good
Learning recipes with skill points
Gore blocks, zombie smell
Looting zombie corpses, BEES
Generic, mostly useless clothing(BDU+jacket is all you need) for useful set armors and bonuses. Looked odd, lots of clipping issues and limited appearances
Multiple armor slots (now 4)
Empty jars and unlimited water collection
Driving around during horde night. (devs "forcing" playstyles Q_Q)
Weather, temporarily
Hoe and farming slightly more manually
Using partial blocks to cheese zombie AI

There are very few things that were straight chopped. A lot of it got multiple changes until the devs locked down what they wanted. Everyone's a professional except the guys actually making the game, i guess.

[Nesta]

ITT: a handful of people falling for steam point farming via hate bait. Easiest way to get steam points is compelling people to give you the jester award via a successful bait.

The title alone was proof and nothing further needed to be read (nor was it)

please consider this the next time you see things like this (and consider saving your points for awards for things you like/agree with)

[Tahnval]

Originally posted by Legion:

That's what happens when you develop a game backwards from one of its best versions and start stripping things that people have been enjoying for no reason.

I think it's development in multiple directions, not only backwards. Forwards, backwards, sideways, all over the shop.