2X sneak damage problem...

[Feetwet]

Ever since they added sneak to the game, I have been having fun stalking around one shotting zeds with the crossbow. Recently I have set up a server for me and a few buddies and sneak damage just doesn't seem to work.

For example, I have tested on multiple occasions head shots to zombies with the crossbow. If I am standing, the bolt will kill a zombie with one shot. If I am crouched, it takes 2. In each test, the target was stationary and I was aiming down the sights.

Has anyone else experienced this. It happens for everyone on my server.

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[§þyđà ÐæĦōŋĩƈ]

Yeah, I've noticed more often than not, when I sneak up behind a Z' and crack my axe into the back of its skull, it flashes up with "Critical hit x2 damage" but the thing doesn't die, however when I'm face to face the same headshot will kill them -without- the critical

[Feetwet]

Yes, I forgot to add that in my tests all of the sneak shots to the head flash the 2x critical indicator. I just don't think it is taking.

[§þyđà ÐæĦōŋĩƈ]

Seems they take less, maybe its actually a /2 not a x2 :)

[LokitheWeaver]

Is it possible that the *new* 2x damage from sneak is over-riding the damage increase from a Headshot? If Headshot was a 3x modifier that would result in a lower damage from just sneak.

Don't know much about game programming, but it would explain the test results you are seeing. Perhaps they thought adding (3x + 2x = 5x) or multiplying (3*2x = 6x) would make it too easy to kill stronger zombies . . .

[Jᴧgᴧ]

The hitboxes aren't exact - aim for the top of the zed's head, and you'll almost always score that 2x sneak bonus. If you aim for their ear, jaw, etc.. the bolt will almost always hit their shoulder hitbox instead.

I don't think I've ever gotten a sneak bonus hit on a body part - just headshots. So aim high..

[Johnman]

I have noticed this trouble also. The sneak multiplier seems to work negatively or not at all instead of increased damage.

[Aragon]

However....the sneak-bonus is basically NOT WORKING right now.

[Slashsnipe]

Hit boxes have nothing to do with it, I've posted multiple times about this occurring since stealth was introduced, it's not a recent issue. Sniper is the best indicator, 1 round full zoom dome shot, 20 block distance with 2x damage, and no death. 2nd round always works and still claims 2x damage. Stand up, and no matter the gun it's a 1 shot kill to the dome, unless you're set to very low damage output.

I've posted probably 5 times with this included as a known issue, but it's never been fixed since it was introduced in the late 6.X releases. I guess it's just not top priority, so I wouldn't expect it to be fixed anytime soon...

[Jᴧgᴧ]

I just did some tests of my own. Crossbow at around 30m range, normal walkers, single shots to the top of the cranium. I got about 66% (2 out of 3) 2x Sneak damage messages. But they all dropped with a single shot, even those that didn't generate a message.

If I shoot bodies, I can generate the sneak damage bonus, but they won't drop (obviously).

I suppose it is entirely possible we don't fully understand the hit/damage/kill mechanics yet, or that there's a bit of a random element to it. Could be bugged too, who knows. Seems to work well enough for me however, provided I use correct aim and hit the appropriate body part (the head).

[Johnman]

Why you trying to complicate and argue this point Jaga, the sneak damage multiplier just don't work or need correcting.

[Yamun Khan]

Sneak attack works for me, but I only use crossbow myself while crouching. I just aim for a temple shot from front or back. I usually get the message.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Publicado originalmente por Johnman:

Why you trying to complicate and argue this point Jaga, the sneak damage multiplier just don't work or need correcting.

I'm not arguing at all - it is entirely possible it is bugged. What I am doing is called discussing it, that's what forums are for.

[Feetwet]

I will try and aim higher while using my crossbow crouched. The reason I bring it up is I use the crossbow all of the time. At all ranges. While standing a shot to the head never fails to drop a zed. I can't remember the last time it happened while crouched. It could be possible the lower angles on some shots intersects the chest hit box. That doesn't explain my shots from on top of a wall though.

[Biff Bifferson]

Yeah still has the damage multiplier with no effect thing happening.
Whats the point of sneaking around all stealthed up an the zombie not even knowing its been shot in the head?
Also, is ity just me or do the zombies seem to be able to sence you through walls 5 floors up or below ground?

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Publicado originalmente por Biff Bifferson:

Also, is ity just me or do the zombies seem to be able to sence you through walls 5 floors up or below ground?

They have great hearing - even opening your backpack will create enough sound to alert them.