sawed off shotguns are worthless

[Zillo Beats]

you can stand right in front of a zombie and shoot them with sawed off shotty and most of time it takes more than 1 shot unless you aim... no one aims with a sawed off shotty that is the point of that weapon is not to aim. That weapon is a street sweeper so if your right in front of anything with a sawed off it should be blown to pieces
plz fix

also there is not enough lead to be found

Good job on this game devs
Can't wait for random world gen with fog of war!

[Eleazaros]

Originally posted by Agachak:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKk45i9DzDA

Watch and Learn kids

Nice. Long barrel shotgun with an AR. Where's the sawed off shotgun? - not there.

I understand the uses and ammo and all this stuff but "game logic" wise - why do we have the ability to saw the barrel down of a long barrel shotgun when that makes a much worse weapon with no redeeming features compared to the long barreled version?

I'd assume some stats/effects are missing such as speed of use for the weapons. A sawed off shotgun is used to conceal the thing and/or for rather close quarters use.

Now look at that "home defense" video and picture standing in the hallway of your house or appartment and trying to turn to aim... Welcome to one reason sawed off guns are used in these environments as well as pistols vs using AR's and/or long barrel shotguns.

Tight quarters makes a difference in weapon choice and a sawed off or long barrle, at "can hit me" range will blow a very large hole through a lot of things.

To the OP: If it isn't "hit me" range (they are close enough to smack you) - don't expect a great deal from a sawed off shotgun but if they are - that deserves a bug report.

Oh and on lead: True except if you go mining. I tend to pull, quite literally, tons of the stuff out compared to every other material. STACKS that make huge quantities of lead.

Lead isn't a big issue for me - getting enough paper to use it can be.

[Yung Ducky]

Originally posted by nitnoid2002:

Originally posted by Lenkdrache:

Actually, they have the sawed-off shotgun pretty close to accurate..... consider the low-quality rounds you are able to make, and the fact that the pattern will spread out into ineffectiveness very quickly.

"Blowing zombies apart" would never happen, as there would not be enough energy delivered to the target, even at point-blank range.

If we really want to pick nits.... the guns should have no effect at all unless you shoot them in the head.

Do you REALLY have to pick nits? ;-)

As far as the sawed off goes, yes, in real life, you have a VERY good chance of surviving a blast, ESPECIALLY if you are a zombie. As a regular human too. The shot spread it too great to do any real damage unless you get lucky. The pump action shotgun is the firearm of choice for discriminating enthusiasts.

AHAHAHAH ARE YOU KIDDING ME

Yeah no, thats not how ballistics work bud.

You take a 12 guage point blank, or a 12 guage at all, yeah granted you MIGHT survive the initial blast, but youre probably dying in the next 30 seconds to 2 minutes max from blood loss and possible organ failure due to the fact they have countless little holes/pellets in them. Also youre probably not going to be brushing off getting shot at all, you get hit by a 12 youre not going to want to stand right back up and keep swinging.

Also shotguns arent as innacurate as theyre cracked up to be, you'de be pretty suprised how low the spread is on your basic shotgun, remington, mossberg, you name it.

[Karma]

Originally posted by Lieutenant Duck:

Originally posted by nitnoid2002:

Do you REALLY have to pick nits? ;-)

As far as the sawed off goes, yes, in real life, you have a VERY good chance of surviving a blast, ESPECIALLY if you are a zombie. As a regular human too. The shot spread it too great to do any real damage unless you get lucky. The pump action shotgun is the firearm of choice for discriminating enthusiasts.

AHAHAHAH ARE YOU KIDDING ME

Yeah no, thats not how ballistics work bud.

You take a 12 guage point blank, or a 12 guage at all, yeah granted you MIGHT survive the initial blast, but youre probably dying in the next 30 seconds to 2 minutes max from blood loss and possible organ failure due to the fact they have countless little holes/pellets in them. Also youre probably not going to be brushing off getting shot at all, you get hit by a 12 youre not going to want to stand right back up and keep swinging.

Also shotguns arent as innacurate as theyre cracked up to be, you'de be pretty suprised how low the spread is on your basic shotgun, remington, mossberg, you name it.

I can't help but notice that this thread has been necro'd from June 2014.

I always picture someone getting a notification for a discussion from a year a half ago and it amuses me :)